I'm a total newb, so here is a question.....

 

Why are people against registering their guns? I see most are against it, I would just like to know why (no arguments here, just education.) How can you prove that the gun is legally owned if not registered? What are the downsides of registering?

I'm a total newb, so here is a question.....

 

Why are people against registering their guns? I see most are against it, I would just like to know why (no arguments here, just education.) How can you prove that the gun is legally owned if not registered? What are the downsides of registering?

 

 

the reason a lot of people don't want to register firearms stems from the feeling that one day the government may grow to be too out of control and may attempt to disarm the citizens of this nation.. having every firearm registered creates an instant door to door shopping list.. "oh 555 east street.. looks like they have 6 long guns and 2 hand guns.. sir we need you to surrender these weapons"....

 

maybe there are other reasons... but this appears to be one of the more common ones..

 

i dont really mind registering them.. but do kind of understand why someone might fear that happening..

Consider the last two countries whose government's stripped its citizens of their their right to defend themselves (i.e. Australia and Great Britain). Gun registration was the first step to gun banning, then confiscation. It isn't paranoia when you have two first world examples from the last 20 years.

I'm a total newb, so here is a question.....

 

Why are people against registering their guns? I see most are against it, I would just like to know why (no arguments here, just education.) How can you prove that the gun is legally owned if not registered? What are the downsides of registering?

 

 

the reason a lot of people don't want to register firearms stems from the feeling that one day the government may grow to be too out of control and may attempt to disarm the citizens of this nation.. having every firearm registered creates an instant door to door shopping list.. "oh 555 east street.. looks like they have 6 long guns and 2 hand guns.. sir we need you to surrender these weapons"....

 

maybe there are other reasons... but this appears to be one of the more common ones..

 

i dont really mind registering them.. but do kind of understand why someone might fear that happening..

 

 

That's enough reason for me to be totally against it.

Consider the last two countries whose government's stripped its citizens of their their right to defend themselves (i.e. Australia and Great Britain). Gun registration was the first step to gun banning, then confiscation. It isn't paranoia when you have two first world examples from the last 20 years.

 

 

Don't forget what happened to the Jews.

Read the following link.

 

http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_registration.html

 

NYC required that all guns be registered starting in 1967...in the 90s they went ahead and started confiscating.

 

Registration ALWAYS leads to confiscation. ALWAYS.

As far as proving legal ownership, the certificate of eligibility for long arms and the copy of the pistol permit for handguns proves ownership if the guns where transferred in NJ.

 

Backing that up is a bill of sale.

 

How would you prove any of your property (non-firearm) was legally yours if you had to?

Lets not forget about hackers. We all know how safe computer resources are

 

Once some hacks the registration database it a nice list that can be used to target homes to steal their firearms, especially in NJ since once you leave home you can rarely take them with you.

The chair is against the wall.

Molly has a Lovely Bunch of Coconuts

Wow, excellent answers guys. You guys are 100% right. That settles it, no registrations for me.

All you need to do is consider what happened during Katrina, when NOPD illegally tried (and succeeded in many cases) to confiscate citizens guns during the chrisis at a time when people needed protection more than ever. As mentioned above, if the government knows what you own then you are going to have a hell of a time telling the armed men at your door to f - off.... of course the smart ones will use the old "I lost all of my guns in a bad canoeing accident" line...

Watch this video:

 

The way the police treat the elderly woman at the beginning is just disgusting, not only do they illegally force their way in her home, but they tackle her when she shows them her legally owned gun, then confiscate it.

Let me ask you this then....

 

I ASSume that when you get/apply for a pistol permit, the "man" knows if said permit was used, so they would know that you have a gun. It seems registration just lets them know EXACTLY what gun you have, and the pistol permits tell them that you HAVE a gun.

 

Am I missing something...again, not arguing, just educating myself.

It's total BS that they say its voluntary in NJ to register your firearms. If you purchase a long gun or a pistol there is a paper trail of the purchase so essentially we are registering our guns when we buy them.

It's total BS that they say its voluntary in NJ to register your firearms. If you purchase a long gun or a pistol there is a paper trail of the purchase so essentially we are registering our guns when we buy them.

 

I think they were reffering to peoplewho moved here from another state. The state of NJ has no idea, and will never know of what guns I brought here when I moved in.

It's total BS that they say its voluntary in NJ to register your firearms. If you purchase a long gun or a pistol there is a paper trail of the purchase so essentially we are registering our guns when we buy them.

 

Theoretically, only in the case of a handgun with our P2P system. However, registration is voluntary in that, if you move to NJ from another state, there is no requirement to register your firearms, but you can, if you wish (yeah, that could happen).

 

With longarms, the 4473 (Federal form) stays with the dealer (I do believe they go to the BATFE in the case of a dealer closing) as does the NJ Eligibility form. NICS checks are only supposed to be held for a particular length of time and then destroyed.

 

PA is actually worse in this respect than NJ. The PASP control the instant background check system (it's PICS in PA rather than NICS) and they have a data base of firearms purchases. This was challenged in court, but was allowed to continue because the court ruled this was not a complete listing of all firearms in PA so did not meet the standard for prohibition.

 

Probably more than you wanted to know. Sorry.

 

Adios,

 

Pizza Bob