So I was just on Facebook and I am so tired of this teachers continually crying like the world is coming to an end because of the cuts Christie has proposed. Each of them cry that it's all about the kids and the kids are doomed etc.

 

This is my new status on FB:

 

To every Crybaby teacher on FB, I urge each and everyone of you to call both your Union Rep and Christie and tell them that you would like to forfeit your undeserved pension so that the KIDS you scream about can get the proper education that you continue to scream about, but I know you won't because this has nothing to do with the kids, it has EVERYTHING to do with your sense of entitlement and your pockets. WAKE UP! The state has no money, and that gravy train you have grown use to is empty!

 

This has nothing to do with the kids, all they are concerned about is themselves and their entitlement!

:clap:

That is all I have to say.

Maybe it's just me but when Christie lay's down the law I get all warm and fuzzy inside!

Stop bashing the teachers. Its the administrations that are the problems. You talk like a pension is a bad thing. Do you have a 401k at work? Same thing. They pay into it just as you pay into yours. You can argue the merit and tenure systems but teachers don't make the policies and they don't decide the budget. A small handful of teachers get a lot of money, the rest get little. ALL of the administration is getting a lot of money and they're the ones that are making the cuts so they continue with business as usual. Just look at the school boards. Instead of it being parents who control the system, its not entirely seated by politicians. When the school system is based on political views, its never going to be good for the children.

 

So say it after me... the union is a problem. The superintendents are a problem. The teachers are necessary. Most are scared because the unions are feeding them nonsense, and the superintendents aren't going to change their spending habits, they'll just take it from the kids.

 

Once all the cuts are finished, the corruption is going to be easier to spot, so give it time.

could not agree more.. a big bunch of cry babies...

 

 

 

there was actually a face book group of them whining about pay freezes.. these idiots are SO out of touch with reality its a disgrace.. sorry your 8 month a year 60 thousand dollar a year with full benefits is such a struggle.. :roll: its ridiculous really.. i have not seen a raise in a few years, if anything im making LESS because im salary and work MORE hours to cover those we had to let go.. i simply except that business is down and i need to take that hit just like everyone else.. im thankful to have a job.. i didnt make a ridiculous face book page crying about it..

. Most are scared because the unions are feeding them nonsense,

 

I am in a 10 year T-comm engineer unfortunately our shop went Union 2 years ago, I can spot Union BS from a mile away. It's every union members job to know exactly what is going on so this excuse does not fly with me personally. We took a big hit this year in order to retain employment so as far as I am concerned it's time we all take one for the team here in NJ. State employees have had it pretty damn good here the last 15 years, including the Police which both of my Brothers are. Everyone wants reform until unless it has to come from their pockets. The teachers, The police, Health care workers, everyone agrees there is an issue until it's time to pay the piper.

. Most are scared because the unions are feeding them nonsense,

it's time we all take one for the team here in NJ. State employees have had it pretty damn good here the last 15 years, including the Police which both of my Brothers are.

 

could not agree more..

the problem is the same across the board and even in this case its entitlement.. people have gotten used to ABSURD standards.. and those standards are running this system into the ground.. we ALL need to make dramatic changes or everyone will suffer..

Show me a superintendent or a business administrator that makes less than 100G. In 2003 the guy that ran the Bergen County Technical School (magnet school) in Hackensack was making 140G. Now you know where the money goes. A teacher can multiply his/her pension by taking more work the last year before retiring. A lot of then finish as deans, or principals.

I have to agree with hodgie for the most part, im sure alot of teachers feel that their union is out of touch with reality.. Teachers are not the scumbags in this deal, it's the admins, school boards, and the NJEA heads.

superintendent or a business administrator that makes less than 100G

 

Secaucus started their new Superintendent at 180K.

 

Now I don't have kids but money spent making the school system tops in the state certainly builds up the value of the real estate in that town. No one pays top dollar to move into a town with a crap school system. Quite frankly being a teacher is a job they can keep. In today's world the parents drop the kids off and expect the teachers to not only raise them but hopefully teach them some values. the days of a parent being home to raise their kids are gone.

Issues with pensions have to do with the fact that the pensions were underfunded.

 

The 401ks, are employee directed, you fuck up investments, you deal with it.

 

pensions, people were underfunding, states mismanaged, and now still paying those ludicrous rates. Add to the fact that people are living longer.... there is the problem.

 

Everyone wants a handout. This is why alot of the defined benefit plans (pensions) are now switching to 401k plans. Puts the onus on the participant to manage their own money.

Not this again :snooty: I will not succumb to this conversation :evil:

This is somewhat indirect to the issue, but might have a direct correlation... isn't one of the more quiet, subtle issues driving this crisis the lack of children born in the 80's and 90's (and even now). I think the numbers use to be 8:1 or something, eight being the number of full time working individuals supporting one person who was on benefits. But because of the steep drop in offspring, the number is now closer to 3:1 or 2:1?

 

I don't know how much of a difference it makes, but if it is indeed an issue... doesn't really seem to be any short-term solution, aside from accepting immigrants to fill that gap (since it'd be a generational issue).

 

As for the OP, I agree that its a matter of the administrators and not the teachers. I have a friend who works for a hedge fund now, but prior she had worked with a union in NYC, and absolutely hated it (she's pretty liberal too) because the organization was just sleazy and inefficient.

Trust me, the teachers are making way more than they deserve and getting a pension to boot it just doesn't add up.

 

For example we shall call said person A. A is a Gym Teacher in Essex County. She has 3 years on said job and has not finished her masters. A will get her masters degree this coming spring. Now for a Gym Teacher what would you thing Person A would make for a year's salary. Now mind you, person A does not work year round, get some of the best health benefits known to man so what should said person make. 40k, 50k dollars seems reasonable to me.

 

HAHAHAHAHAHAH I make jokes sometimes.

 

Try 80k a year to be a flippin Gym Teacher. And I will be you top dollar she'll get another 10k dollar raise as soon as her masters kicks in. So to tell me this isn't a Teacher problem either is a crock of shit!

My mother has been a teacher in the NJ system for a few years now, and with two masters, having retired from working for Princeton U. after 20 years... she's only getting around 52K, and, of course, won't be offered tenure. A few of my friends in the NYC public system and other northern NJ schools also are facing the same issues. With that said, there are definitely teachers who make obscene amounts... and that's not surprising considering there will always be that "select few." However, considering this is a systematic issue, and not necessarily personal, seemingly the faults land on the administration versus teachers.

Matt, you're smoking too much lead. A teacher's starting salary unless its a position that there's a shortage in, starts at about 30-35k. My sister-in-law has been a teacher for about 10 years and just hit 50k and that's for biology. And you mention the 9 months of work, yet forget that teachers work 8 hours a day at school, some a little more if they do any after school activities or clubs, as well as grading at home and lesson plans. It equals out to a full year's schedule. And they can't collect unemployment in the summer like construction workers can in the winter. Know the facts before you start making statements that make you look foolish.

 

As for the gym teacher... I can guarantee the 80k salary wasn't just for a gym teacher starting out. Did you check to see if they were coaching a team also? Add in late and weekend games as well as practice schedule and there's the extra money.

Matt, you're smoking too much lead. A teacher's starting salary unless its a position that there's a shortage in, starts at about 30-35k. My sister-in-law has been a teacher for about 10 years and just hit 50k and that's for biology. And you mention the 9 months of work, yet forget that teachers work 8 hours a day at school, some a little more if they do any after school activities or clubs, as well as grading at home and lesson plans. It equals out to a full year's schedule. And they can't collect unemployment in the summer like construction workers can in the winter. Know the facts before you start making statements that make you look foolish.

 

I put in 45 to 50 hours a week YEAR ROUND, so please accept my apology for the lack of "feel bad" i have inside me at the moment..

 

teachers pay is publicly available information...

 

http://php.app.com/edstaff/search.php

 

that will let you search teachers and show you in some cases the ridiculous amount of money they make..

 

my friend has only been a teacher for THREE years and she is already making over 50 grand a year.. and she is an elementary school teacher...

edit....

 

my landlord who is ALSO a gym teacher.. and i think he does coach something.. :roll: is making close to 80 THOUSAND dollars a YEAR.. are you NUTS!

 

and his wife in the same school as an english teacher makes about the same..

 

HOLY SHIT! my ex science teach in ocean city NJ is making almost 100k a year..

I apologize John my information was slightly off.

 

Here is the updated information.

 

Experience District 5 years

Experience New Jersey 9 years

Experience Total 9 years

SALARY $74,240 Employment 10 Months Job Code 1607

Job 1 Health & Physical Education FTE 8 Job 2 Driver Education

 

Certified? N

Certificate Standard Grade Level High School Highly Qualified? Doesn't need to be highly qualified

Classes Taught 5

 

So Person A teachers 5 classes throughout the day, last time I checked thats NOT a full 8 hours of work. They teach Health and Physical Education and Drivers Ed and makes 74k dollars a year. And your gonna tell me that person A has a ton of papers to grade at home etc.

 

Keep dreaming dude!

 

Don't get me wrong, West Milford has more administrators than we do teachers and one of the people I know is trying to get onto the board to get rid of this bullcrap. But if you think your going to place all the blame on Unions and Admins thats not right either because these teachers are getting their pie and eating it to. Also don't forget that most of them get a $5 prescription plan regardless of how much it actually costs along with an extremely low co-pay for doctors as well.

 

And like what was mentioned above, I know a lot of people who are salaried employees who are being forced to work 10 hour days because if they don't they get fired. But don't worry teachers don't have to worry about that because they get tenures. Teachers are practically just as bad as politicians in my book!

You work 45-50 hours, but you get overtime right? Teachers get out at 2-4pm then take a poll of teachers and ask them how later they're up grading papers, etc.... I think you'll see closer to 70 hours and they don't get paid for that. Any supplies they need for extra projects they have to pay themselves.

 

As for the link, just looking at absecon, you have people with Masters in their first year making 30k, and people with 25 years experience making 124k. The average is 50k. The union has worked out how much of an increase people get per year, but you act like salaries are all out of wack compared to everyone else. If you don't think you're paid enough, go into another line of work. It really is that easy. You think you have the patience to deal with a room full of adolescents all day and do it for shit pay?

this is where the school district makes the difference.

 

high property taxes = high salary.

 

teachers in mercer county get paid fairly well.

 

HOWEVER.....

 

Teachers in Russia and China get paid garbage, however they are turning out smarter minds.

 

The problem isnt the money guys....

 

The problem is that most parents dont give a shit, most teachers dont care as much, and cant... because they are concerned about getting everyone pass, not making the smart kids who want to learn better.

 

In Elizabeth, more teachers are afraid of the students than the other way around.

 

All of this leads to the fact that a high school diploma qualifies you for a mcdonalds job flipping burgers.

 

I will say that post high school education is great in the states, but k-12 is absolutely horrendous. I am sure parents cant wait to dump their kids in school as it is free babysitting. Parents are less concerned about what the grades than if their prissy daughter needs an ipod, a cell phone, and a prada/coach/gucci bag so their kid doesnt look like a dork.

wait... and yes...

 

I have clients who are teachers.

 

Both, making 80k a year in East brunswick highschool and have tenure, and pension, along with teaching at rutgers....

I have a client who is teaching computer science, in staten island making 65k a year, after 3 years, starting pay was 55k.

 

and I have teachers in milltown, making 40k a year starting.

 

Last client that sticks out.... brand new teacher in Brick.... straight out of college with a bachelors, makes 53k.

as to tenure, you realize that academic tenure isn't a lifetime position? It protects them from being fired without just cause, but its more of a protection to teach how they want to teach, even if it goes against popular opinion or political opinion of the administration. It doesn't mean they can't be layed off.

And they can't collect unemployment in the summer like construction workers can in the winter. Know the facts before you start making statements that make you look foolish.

 

 

 

Teachers work by contract, they have the option of getting pay for the 12 month period or get their salaries paid during the school year, that

And they can't collect unemployment in the summer like construction workers can in the winter. Know the facts before you start making statements that make you look foolish.

 

 

 

Teachers work by contract, they have the option of getting pay for the 12 month period or get their salaries paid during the school year, that

You work 45-50 hours, but you get overtime right? Teachers get out at 2-4pm then take a poll of teachers and ask them how later they're up grading papers, etc.... I think you'll see closer to 70 hours and they don't get paid for that. Any supplies they need for extra projects they have to pay themselves.

 

no i help RUN a business and am on SALARY so i don't see a DIME overtime.. and are you ready for all the crying i'll do about that.. get ready.. here it comes.. this is my BIG cry session about MY job.. "working 45-50 hours a week for salary sucks.. but at least i have a job" THE END.. no face book pity party.. no crying and whining to my boss.. i just do what i need to do to keep a roof over my families head and food on the table..

 

As for the link, just looking at absecon, you have people with Masters in their first year making 30k, and people with 25 years experience making 124k. The average is 50k. The union has worked out how much of an increase people get per year, but you act like salaries are all out of wack compared to everyone else. If you don't think you're paid enough, go into another line of work. It really is that easy. You think you have the patience to deal with a room full of adolescents all day and do it for **** pay?

 

dood.. where i used to go to school there is an ART teacher who teaches FIVE classes making OVER 80 THOUSAND dollars a year.. and GYM teachers making 60 THOUSAND dollars a year after working only and an another ART teacher who has ONLY been there THREE years making almost 50 grand..

 

do you really think its reasonable to have only 3 years experience in ART and expect to make 50 grand a YEAR plus benefits plus everything else that goes along with it..

thats reasonable?

this is where the school district makes the difference.

 

high property taxes = high salary.

 

teachers in mercer county get paid fairly well.

 

HOWEVER.....

 

Teachers in Russia and China get paid garbage, however they are turning out smarter minds.

 

The problem isnt the money guys....

 

The problem is that most parents dont give a ****, most teachers dont care as much, and cant... because they are concerned about getting everyone pass, not making the smart kids who want to learn better.

 

In Elizabeth, more teachers are afraid of the students than the other way around.

 

All of this leads to the fact that a high school diploma qualifies you for a mcdonalds job flipping burgers.

 

I will say that post high school education is great in the states, but k-12 is absolutely horrendous. I am sure parents cant wait to dump their kids in school as it is free babysitting. Parents are less concerned about what the grades than if their prissy daughter needs an ipod, a cell phone, and a prada/coach/gucci bag so their kid doesnt look like a dork.

 

yes to ALL that.. it is %100 accurate..

 

but PART of the broken machine is a government that is on the verge of being broke paying out FAR too much..

btw, thanks for the website....

 

Just looked at east windsor...

 

Do we really need 2 assistant principals making $120k each, on top of $140 that the school principal makes?

 

sheesh.

 

the lowest starting salary I saw was 48k. Highest over 100k.

IE, does every friggin school have to be rebuilt every 20 years?

 

or pay a phys ed teacher 95k a year.. :roll:

You work 45-50 hours, but you get overtime right?

HAHAHAHA - uhhhhhh NO!

 

 

You think you have the patience to deal with a room full of adolescents all day and do it for **** pay?

I have the patience to deal with government employees. When I die, I expect my wife to call Benedict and request canonization...

You work 45-50 hours, but you get overtime right?

HAHAHAHA - uhhhhhh NO!

ha i still remember the day..

 

"we are going to need you to work more, things are really getting tight"

"eh well that sucks.. but i guess i could use the extra cash"

"umm no there is no extra cash.. we are attempting to trim back the payroll, things are tight"

"eh.."