Okay, since I am new and need to pick up ammo for home defense.

 

I am confused about the hollow point as opposed to jacketed hollow point. Is there a differense?

 

What about hydra shok?

 

Whats legal?

 

TIA..

Okay, since I am new and need to pick up ammo for home defense.

 

I am confused about the hollow point as opposed to jacketed hollow point. Is there a differense?

 

What about hydra shok?

 

Whats legal?

 

TIA..

 

From what I understand, you can own hollow points, transport them with your vehicle(seperate from any guns), and shoot them at the range or while hunting. Outside of that, you can not use them for self-defense. A LEO I work with recommended the Federal expanding FMJ for HD.

Hollow points are legal for home defense. They are illegal if you are using them in a crime or your carrying an illegal firearm.

A jacketed hollow point is just that, one with a copper "jacket" or cover. This could encompass all of the bullet or the majority of one (except for the cavity). Rarely if ever does one see a lead only hollow-point, except perhaps for a .22 or so.

 

And yes, hollow points are legal for use in the home as stated.

Buy some Federal Hydra-shoks and you're done. Sure you can get Cor-bon or some others that might be a tiny smidge better but that's mostly mail order and frankly shot placement is more important than ammo. I'd rather sink 2 range ammo round nose into the chest of a perp than a whole mag of super perp shredder that misses or hits an arm or a leg.

Hollow points are legal for home defense. They are illegal if you are using them in a crime or your carrying an illegal firearm.

Am I crazy or does this simply mean HPs are illegal only if you use them illegally?

 

Let me guess it's just another way to add years to a conviction?

Buy some Federal Hydra-shoks and you're done. Sure you can get Cor-bon or some others that might be a tiny smidge better but that's mostly mail order and frankly shot placement is more important than ammo. I'd rather sink 2 range ammo round nose into the chest of a perp than a whole mag of super perp shredder that misses or hits an arm or a leg.

 

+1 Mark-- It's not the arrow, It's all about the Indian...

Am I crazy or does this simply mean HPs are illegal only if you use them illegally?

 

What it means is that they are deemed suitable for home defense, just as your handgun is.

Hollow points are legal for home defense. They are illegal if you are using them in a crime or your carrying an illegal firearm.

Am I crazy or does this simply mean HPs are illegal only if you use them illegally?

 

Let me guess it's just another way to add years to a conviction?

 

YUP...

Whatever you buy, be sure to shoot some at the range. There are differences in recoil between normal ammo and +P stuff that you may want to experience before trusting your life on them.

I like Extreme Shock 85 grain 9mm Air Freedom rounds. They won't over penetrate if you miss. +P rounds usually go through walls and such from what I've heard. I haven't shot at my walls yet to be certain though.

what everyone said. they are illegal if you use them in a crime.

 

Perfectly legal to own and shoot.

 

Personal home defense ammo is a loaded mag of Speer Gold Dots.

Buy a few 20 round boxes and see what you like. I personally prefer Remington Golden Sabers for all my PP ammo.

My suggestion is . . . Lawman Personal Protection 4 Buck.

 

+1 Malsua's post. As I've said before, its about your ability to execute on the task, the rest being arbitrary.

I also load Golden Sabres.

 

One other thing - never ever use self or reloaded ammo for self defense - always store bought as from the factory.

G

If you unload the clip in the idiot who breaks in to your house, do you really need a hollow point??

If you unload the clip in the idiot who breaks in to your house, do you really need a hollow point??

 

Agreed, a CLIP from an M1 Garand into a human doesn't require hollow points to ensure death.

If you unload the clip in the idiot who breaks in to your house, do you really need a hollow point??

 

 

What makes you so certain that you would be able to empty a clip into someone in such an extremely tense and critical situation? Perhaps involving people moving quickly in the dark?

 

What is the basis for your ultra-high confidence level?

Honestly, I have been held at gun point 3 too many times, and I am fairly certain if I came upon this again and I was armed, I will not have enough ammo, I will empty the gun. I will reload and do it again. I am not in law enforcement, but was a medic in Paterson. Not a fun situation to be in, and I have a lot of respect for what LEO do..

 

Looking down the barrel of a shotgun, 45 and 38 makes you rethink your priorities.

 

I am just hoping that I NEVER have to be in this situation again.

I also load Golden Sabres.

 

One other thing - never ever use self or reloaded ammo for self defense - always store bought as from the factory.

G

 

 

I disagree, if you're a good realoder you can outperform the factory load for your particular gun, using the same bullets they use.

If you unload the clip in the idiot who breaks in to your house, do you really need a hollow point??

 

Agreed, a CLIP from an M1 Garand into a human doesn't require hollow points to ensure death.

 

8 rounds of 30-06 at 5 feet would be, devistating! To say the least

If you unload the clip in the idiot who breaks in to your house, do you really need a hollow point??

 

Agreed, a CLIP from an M1 Garand into a human doesn't require hollow points to ensure death.

 

8 rounds of 30-06 at 5 feet would be, devistating! To say the least

 

 

While all of this may be true...I can't seem to fathom what it has to do with anything in a practical, educational sense. Is this thread not a place to learn about what the most effective "home defense" rounds are, or just discuss elementary ballistics?

 

The ideal ammunition for home defense is what is most effective in overall situations in combination with shot placement. These types vary by both manufacturer as well as caliber.

 

In other words, 5.56 TAP is the best round available for anything AR/M4 related (next to MK262) let alone home defense. But f you are talking other platforms, there are ideal rounds for them as well.

I also load Golden Sabres.

 

One other thing - never ever use self or reloaded ammo for self defense - always store bought as from the factory.

G

 

 

I disagree, if you're a good realoder you can outperform the factory load for your particular gun, using the same bullets they use.

 

I don't think it is a case of whether or not they will perform okay. I think it is because the prosecutor will have a field day with you in a HD situation if your ammo is "home made". They can say you made the rounds "hotter" than factory ammo, and designed them to kill. Possibly showing premeditation.

.I can't seem to fathom what it has to do with anything in a practical, educational sense

 

Well, his ammo carrier is a clip. That limits the firearms that he'll be using.

.I can't seem to fathom what it has to do with anything in a practical, educational sense

 

Well, his ammo carrier is a clip. That limits the firearms that he'll be using.

 

We understood Mark, but he was trying to make a point.

 

That being said, if you gotta shoot someone for home defense reasons, make sure you hit him and that's all that matters.

.I can't seem to fathom what it has to do with anything in a practical, educational sense

 

Well, his ammo carrier is a clip. That limits the firearms that he'll be using.

 

We understood Mark, but he was trying to make a point.

 

That being said, if you gotta shoot someone for home defense reasons, make sure you kill him and that's all that matters.

 

Fixed.

Shoot to stop the threat. If it ends up killing the guy, so it goes. If the guy is down and no threat, stop shooting.

 

That last "safety round" into the scumbag could cost you your freedom.

Shoot to stop the threat. If it ends up killing the guy, so it goes. If the guy is down and no threat, stop shooting.

 

That last "safety round" into the scumbag could cost you your freedom.

 

 

 

You got that one right for sure. Anything deemed overkill will be your downfall legally, whether morally justifiable or not.

 

Just do only what you have to do in order to incapacitate, and then pray hard things work out in the end.

Shoot to stop the threat. If it ends up killing the guy, so it goes. If the guy is down and no threat, stop shooting.

 

That last "safety round" into the scumbag could cost you your freedom.

 

 

 

You got that one right for sure. Anything deemed overkill will be your downfall legally, whether morally justifiable or not.

 

Just do only what you have to do in order to incapacitate, and then pray hard things work out in the end.

 

A dead crook doesn