As my next purchase. i heard there maybe some quality issues with the Chiappa 1911-22, Kimber offers one but $750 is more then i'd like to spend. Any ideas on something that falls between? I want something full size.

 

Thanks

Do you already have a 1911? If so you might want to look into a .22 conversion kit. If you don't have a 1911 and will definitely get one in the future, doing so will save you $$$.

I'm waiting for a PP tou buy this http://www.sigsauer.com/Products/ShowCa ... ductid=260 seems like a nice deal for 450ish and you can get conversions for 9mm. 357sig and/or 40s&w later...

i believe some Sigs also have a conversion kit.

http://www.sigsauer.com/SigStore/ShowPr ... ductid=266

If you already own one there's conversions for P220, P226 and P229. If you don't is about 300 cheaper to buy the 22 version first and the step up caliber apart. The frames are the same.

I do have a 1911 but i dont want to mess with conversions since its an HD gun. I want a dedicated .22 and i prefer for it to be in the 1911 style and fullsize.

Ruger has the 22/45 - grip angle follows the 1911 and I believe at least one board member used 1911 grips on his 22/45.

 

After the break-in period, they will eat any ammo. Mine even eats the dreaded Remington Golden Bullets without issue (except where one or another shell is actually missing the primer).

Conversion kits simply is a slide and barrel assemply + mags. It does not affect your gun in any way and once you swap back the slide everything is exactly the same. The slide is almost always aluminum so if your 1911 frame is steel it will not really affect the slide frame fit on your existing gun at all.

 

I do have a 1911 but i dont want to mess with conversions since its an HD gun. I want a dedicated .22 and i prefer for it to be in the 1911 style and fullsize.

Ruger has the 22/45 - grip angle follows the 1911 and I believe at least one board member used 1911 grips on his 22/45.

 

After the break-in period, they will eat any ammo. Mine even eats the dreaded Remington Golden Bullets without issue (except where one or another shell is actually missing the primer).

 

 

+1 What Dan said!!! Ruger time proven and a good shooter. If you NEED the 45 grip angle get the 22/45.

but you should learn to shoot everything.

Is that a Sig Mosquito I see there? I'd love to have one myself, for plinking purposes.

Another advantage of using a conversion kit on ur HD gun also allows you to get more trigger time on the same gun you might want to use in a defensive situation.

 

If you want to go with a dedicated .22 pistol I'd stay away from Sig Mosquito and Walther. They're known to be very unreliable and only really likes some high velocity stuff.

 

Rugers are very nice but I heard they're a pain to clean.

 

Conversion kits simply is a slide and barrel assemply + mags. It does not affect your gun in any way and once you swap back the slide everything is exactly the same. The slide is almost always aluminum so if your 1911 frame is steel it will not really affect the slide frame fit on your existing gun at all.

 

I do have a 1911 but i dont want to mess with conversions since its an HD gun. I want a dedicated .22 and i prefer for it to be in the 1911 style and fullsize.

I do have a 1911 but i dont want to mess with conversions since its an HD gun. I want a dedicated .22 and i prefer for it to be in the 1911 style and fullsize.

 

check out Chiappa Firearms, they sell a 22 1911, same size and dementions but dedicated as a 22. And, about the same price as some conversion kits. PK90 has one for sale for 280. http://Www.arms-n-ammo.com

Is that a Sig Mosquito I see there? I'd love to have one myself, for plinking purposes.

 

 

The Sig Mosquito looks like a nice gun, but I have never seen more negative reviews of ANY gun I have ever read about. The conversion kit on a standard Sig is much more preferable.

The reports on Ruger being difficult to clean are overstated. Once you know the shortcut (posted on this site somewhere), you can strip and reassemble on in about 30 seconds.

Is that a Sig Mosquito I see there? I'd love to have one myself, for plinking purposes.

 

No those are their start up 22 guns. Essentially a 22 conversion slide on a full size P series frame. you can later on buy a center fire slide and have a center fire Sig.

 

I don't like this idea for the following reason.

 

Sig frames are made in Germany and slide is now made in Exter NH. I assume Sig goes through some effort when they assemble them in Exter to make sure to mate frame and slide that fits relatively well. If you buy a starter kit and get a slide later on, you might not get one that fits that well. However slide/frame fit is not essensial on the accuracy of the P series design as the rail runs almost the full length of the slide unlike other guns such as 1911.

Is that a Sig Mosquito I see there? I'd love to have one myself, for plinking purposes.

 

 

The Sig Mosquito looks like a nice gun, but I have never seen more negative reviews of ANY gun I have ever read about. The conversion kit on a standard Sig is much more preferable.

The reports on Ruger being difficult to clean are overstated. Once you know the shortcut (posted on this site somewhere), you can strip and reassemble on in about 30 seconds.

 

The Mosquito uses a totally different frame from standard P series. The frame itself is plastic and has a stamped metal sub frame. The sear is stamped and the gun is known to jam a lot. The trigger is also way heavier than standard Sigs.

 

The Sig 22 conversion kits has better reliability but still somewhat hit or miss. The major problem is it does not have a last round lock back and people will pull the trigger on an empty champer. This will peen a slot in the back of the chamber where it mates the breech face. Over time the peened area will cause feeding issues and jam the pistol.

 

You can get a after market mag follower that sticks out and will block the slide back after the last round. It's a bit of a hack but will stop the peening issue.

 

My kit has been 100% but I only shoot CCI mini mags and has a stainless guide rod from day 1.

Ah I see. You're not a fan of the Mosquito? I have seen some reviews that say there's some ammo that works better than others, but it's .22 - it's so cheaply made it's not that bad.

Ruger's are not a PIA to clean. Just got to become accustomed to it. And by far one of the most accurate and robust pistols out there. Tubular reciever and cylindrical slide Just a natural to yield accuracy. And BTW it's steel!!

I think it likes high velocity stuff and CCI mini mag works well. The issues can be worked out if you don't mind doing some slight modification/improvements yourself.

 

I think you're better off with one of their starter kits since it's built on a center fire frame. I haven't checked the price but if the Mosquito is a lot cheaper than the 22 starter guns then it's probably a good deal.

 

Ah I see. You're not a fan of the Mosquito? I have seen some reviews that say there's some ammo that works better than others, but it's .22 - it's so cheaply made it's not that bad.

Rugers are very nice but I heard they're a pain to clean.

 

Two words - BORE SNAKE.

 

Took me about 30 seconds to clean last night, and that included taking the bore snake out of the package and applying CLP to the snake. If you feed the cord through the mag well and then through the bore, you also manage to get the majority of the snake to contact and clean the feed ramp as well.

BTW, Here are some good info on how to improve a Mosquito from the Sig forum:

 

http://sigforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/ ... /370106903

http://sigforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/ ... m/54410021

http://sigforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/ ... 5#66410695

BTW, Here are some good info on how to improve a Mosquito from the Sig forum:

 

http://sigforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/ ... /370106903

http://sigforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/ ... m/54410021

http://sigforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/ ... 5#66410695

 

Thanks! I was just going to ask about that!

Rugers are very nice but I heard they're a pain to clean.

 

Two words - BORE SNAKE.

 

Took me about 30 seconds to clean last night, and that included taking the bore snake out of the package and applying CLP to the snake. If you feed the cord through the mag well and then through the bore, you also manage to get the majority of the snake to contact and clean the feed ramp as well.

 

 

Hey Dan-- ready to have a Ruger shoot-out? We'll shoot the shitiest, cheapest, promotional 22lr we can find. And the guns will keep shooting Damned kids!!!

Am i the only one who is turned off by ruger looks?

Am i the only one who is turned off by ruger looks?

 

It's not a pretty gun...... but it is the best one....

Am i the only one who is turned off by ruger looks?

 

I'm not too crazy about the bull barreled ones but the original Ruger 22 looks kinda like a Luger which is very classy looking. The tac'ed out ones with built in suppressor also looks bad ass IMO but too bad we can't have that in NJ.

Am i the only one who is turned off by ruger looks?

 

It's not a pretty gun...... but it is the best one....

 

Don't forget SW Model 41 8-)

Am i the only one who is turned off by ruger looks?

 

I don't like the look either, which was why I was ogling the Sig Mosquito.

For plinking cheap and reliable SW 22A. You can only use standard velocity ammo.

I've seen reviews that say the Walther P22 is good too, if a bit small. Anyone have thoughts on that?

To those that don't like the looks of the Ruger....

 

Question???

 

Are you going to shoot it or F^(k it???