You'd be amazed how easy it is to miss the reloading slot on a shotgun when someone is shooting at you. I've used the Benelli M4 in a little 'ville called Ramadi. I would have taken the Saiga even with the standard 5rd mags. I'm a c-hair slower on the Saiga than I am with a standard AK but that split second gets me a full ammo count. Shoot one-load one is more error prone under duress.

 

 

putting together a saiga 12 in PA soon complete with 20 round drum... can not wait..

i got to hold the benellie super nova the other day in PA. I was impressed.

i got to hold the benellie super nova the other day in PA. I was impressed.

 

It's a distant second to a Mossy or Remmy. The 3 1/2 chamber makes the action long. Also, the slide release is impossible to use for a lefty.

 

Get the 590A1 or 870 Bry, you'll thank me later.

putting together a saiga 12 in PA soon complete with 20 round drum... can not wait..

 

A 20rd drum dump would be a damn fine way to celebrate freedom. Good on you vlad!

I can't wait to "de-tacticalize" my 870... black is booooring! Hello wood!

My Benelli M2 is not tactical enough to post.

It just shoots really fast.

I'll Play.

20 round drum is too large and cumbersome IMO. I'd say the 12 round drum is a far better option.

Nice shotgun Socom16. Mossberg 930?

20 round drum is too large and cumbersome IMO. I'd say the 12 round drum is a far better option.

 

the MD20 rd drum is exceptional as far as my understanding.. is there a 12 round drum that is of similar quality?

Nice shotgun Socom16. Mossberg 930?

 

 

Benelli M4 Super 90 Tactical!

Benelli M4 Super 90 Tactical!

 

Is that a full tube on the M4?

Where'd ya pick it up?

Is that a full tube on the M4?

Where'd ya pick it up?

 

 

Yes full tube; picked it up from www.carriercomp.com It is plugged to be new jersey legal! 6 in mag 1 in chamber.

the MD20 rd drum is exceptional as far as my understanding.. is there a 12 round drum that is of similar quality?

 

Yes there is a 12rd drum made by ProMag. Quality is...well, it's ProMag. Your mileage might vary.

 

As for me, I'll just keep lifting weights because Mike Davidson's drum (MD Arms) is second to none. Besides weight is a relative issue I think. A 20rd drum mag on a shotgun isn't any harder to tote around than an M60 (yeah, I'm old) or an M240G. I've cursed the hell out of both weapons on long humps...

Yes there is a 12rd drum made by ProMag. Quality is...well, it's ProMag. Your mileage might vary.

 

As for me, I'll just keep lifting weights because Mike Davidson's drum (MD Arms) is second to none. Besides weight is a relative issue I think. A 20rd drum mag on a shotgun isn't any harder to tote around than an M60 (yeah, I'm old) or an M240G. I've cursed the hell out of both weapons on long humps...

 

knew there was a promag.. LOL and was looking at the MD drum for exactly the reason you pointed out.. think I will just stick with the MD one that I was originally looking at..

Yes full tube; picked it up from www.carriercomp.com It is plugged to be new jersey legal! 6 in mag 1 in chamber.

It looks great. ! I'm going to have to pick one up now!

It looks great. ! I'm going to have to pick one up now!

 

 

Tyvm.. Get yourself one great shooter.. sounds like a bazooka with 3 inch 00 magnums

the MD20 rd drum is exceptional as far as my understanding.. is there a 12 round drum that is of similar quality?

 

The Pro Mags have held up well, with relatively few issues. They're not the kind of magazine you can run over with a truck, but they're more than sturdy enough.

 

Lots of people go nuts when they see the MD-20 but it's usually those who have never held a gun with one or used it extensively. Not saying it's a bad magazine or that you won't enjoy it, but it's one hell of a heavy beast and feels very clumsy to me. Also, not sure how tall you are, but most average sized and shorter shooters find themselves having to shoot with an awkward "chicken wing" front arm as the drum is simply too wide for regular stances.

 

The guy above is comparing it to an M60 machine gun. I don't know about you, but I'd rather my bump-in-the-night gun not be so clumsy and heavy that it brings back fond memories of my military days.

 

Pro Mag is known for ****, but they got it right with the drums. The reason is, before they came out, MD-Arms was a price gouging asshole who used to charge almost $300 for his drum at one point. Pro Mag came out with their drums with the sole intention of blowing his price out of the water and offering a decent product. I followed the drums for quite a while and virtually everyone who owns them reports fantastic results.

Yes full tube; picked it up from www.carriercomp.com It is plugged to be new jersey legal! 6 in mag 1 in chamber.

 

 

That looks great. Can you just plug the tube or does it have to be pinned?

That looks great. Can you just plug the tube or does it have to be pinned?

 

Plugged. I cut down my supernova plug and fit it inside of the m4 fits to the spring perfect.

The Pro Mags have held up well, with relatively few issues. They're not the kind of magazine you can run over with a truck, but they're more than sturdy enough.

 

Lots of people go nuts when they see the MD-20 but it's usually those who have never held a gun with one or used it extensively. Not saying it's a bad magazine or that you won't enjoy it, but it's one hell of a heavy beast and feels very clumsy to me. Also, not sure how tall you are, but most average sized and shorter shooters find themselves having to shoot with an awkward "chicken wing" front arm as the drum is simply too wide for regular stances.

 

The guy above is comparing it to an M60 machine gun. I don't know about you, but I'd rather my bump-in-the-night gun not be so clumsy and heavy that it brings back fond memories of my military days.

 

Pro Mag is known for ****, but they got it right with the drums. The reason is, before they came out, MD-Arms was a price gouging asshole who used to charge almost $300 for his drum at one point. Pro Mag came out with their drums with the sole intention of blowing his price out of the water and offering a decent product. I followed the drums for quite a while and virtually everyone who owns them reports fantastic results.

 

 

I am 6ft 3in 200+ lbs.. so I would say a little bigger than medium.. but I appreciate your insight..

after reading a bunch of reviews.. I think I am actually going to try the promag 12 round in the Saiga 12.... I will likely pick up an MD 20 in the future.. but I think my first drum is actually going to be a 12 from promag.. I feel odd saying that.. but the geek is right.. the unit appears to get solid reviews..

after reading a bunch of reviews.. I think I am actually going to try the promag 12 round in the Saiga 12.... I will likely pick up an MD 20 in the future.. but I think my first drum is actually going to be a 12 from promag.. I feel odd saying that.. but the geek is right.. the unit appears to get solid reviews..

 

Nobody cares since we can't own this magazines in New Jersey. Seems like your looking for attention. Well, you got it. Saiga 12s SUCK!

Yes, that is electrician's friction tape wrapped all over the handle. Makes for a nice cushioned and non-slip grip.

So, I got my wood furniture... problem is, it interferes with my MESA Tactical side saddle

 

Debating removal of the side saddle to accommodate the wood... or cutting the wood to accommodate the side saddle.

Nobody cares since we can't own this magazines in New Jersey. Seems like your looking for attention. Well, you got it. Saiga 12s SUCK!

 

 

sorry didn't know I was not allowed to post in this thread anymore..

 

and as far as them sucking? right how long does it take you to put 12 rounds of 12 gauge down range? LOL if you are that good with a pump gun you are exercising that action a little too much.. might want to get out more..

 

it is one thing to like pump guns.. it is a whole different story to be delusional and think that a drum fed semi automatic shotgun sucks..

So, I got my wood furniture... problem is, it interferes with my MESA Tactical side saddle

 

Debating removal of the side saddle to accommodate the wood... or cutting the wood to accommodate the side saddle.

 

Don't cut the wood, it'll be ruined. Take the side saddle off and put it on another shotgun.

sorry didn't know I was not allowed to post in this thread anymore..

 

and as far as them sucking? right how long does it take you to put 12 rounds of 12 gauge down range? LOL if you are that good with a pump gun you are exercising that action a little too much.. might want to get out more..

 

it is one thing to like pump guns.. it is a whole different story to be delusional and think that a drum fed semi automatic shotgun sucks..

 

Well, you posting about stuff that is illegal in this state and that you have no idea what your talking about. I've seen enough semi-auto's fail to realize that the pump is THE BEST for defensive situations.

And my first firearm was a pump shotgun, so I love to "exercise" with them.

Well, you posting about stuff that is illegal in this state and that you have no idea what your talking about. I've seen enough semi-auto's fail to realize that the pump is THE BEST for defensive situations.

And my first firearm was a pump shotgun, so I love to "exercise" with them.

 

Here we go again, blabbing that 'this gun is better than that gun' with no real evidence other than the fact that you own 'this gun' and you've seen or maybe heard 'that' gun has problems is still not factual evidence or any legitimate reasons.

 

We've all heard this way too many times now LOL.

Well, you posting about stuff that is illegal in this state and that you have no idea what your talking about. I've seen enough semi-auto's fail to realize that the pump is THE BEST for defensive situations.

And my first firearm was a pump shotgun, so I love to "exercise" with them.

 

 

For the most part... when Saigas 12s experience failures it is because people are utilizing under powered ammunition that will simply not cycle the gun correctly... if you use the right ammo out of the box.. it is very unlikely the gun will not run... now you said before.. oh I want to be able to run any ammo... a few simple upgrades to the Saiga 12 will allow it to run all 12 gauges ammo... so I am not really sure where you are coming from..

 

also... yeah I know you cant run pistol grip semi autos.. or drum fed semi autos.. but wtf.. I have been a member of the site for some time.. and now that I am getting out of NJ I am looking at my other options.. and simply talking about them because I feel like there are people here who I would like to continue to communicate with.. has not a thing to do with attention..

 

pump guns are great.. they are reliable.. I had a 500 and loved it.. I just prefer a drum fed semi.. why? simple.. more lead on target faster...and what if it jams? what do I do? well in the unlikely event that I get a FTE muscle memory should kick right in.. it is an AK.. and I have charged an AK a million times.. clearing a Saiga 12 jam is equivalent to charging an AK.. it should take all of 2 seconds..