I'm not sure how airsoft/paintball can simulate "realistic" conditions. Do you play in the woods and shoot at your opponents from 200-300 yards away? Do you have epic courses with cars, streets, and houses to simulate urban combat? Otherwise what use is it to a mil/LEO guy looking to train?

I am no expert, but from my experience in competitive shooting, the best plans are more often than not forgotten when the buzzer goes off. So I need to improvise and try to execute a new plan on the go. As far as training for CCW, I hope that I never run into a situation where I need to defend myself or my loved ones from an armed bad guy. If it does, I wish I can be at home because in the good ole' state of NJ, I can't carry (for now legally at least)a firearm for protection. And how can you train for random situations? I am not trying to call you out on this, but I see airsoft as just a game.

 

Training is good because when its time to get going, you fall back on your instincts. The more you train, the more instinctual your movements and actions become. You are right that "plans" get tossed when it comes down to crunch time, but that is what the training is for. It allows you to build your natural instincts and your training kicks in. If it didn't work like that, LEO/MIL wouldn't waste their time.

 

Also, random situations are a bit hard to train for, but Force on Force helps a little bit. Makes you think on your toes.

I'm not sure how airsoft/paintball can simulate "realistic" conditions. Do you play in the woods and shoot at your opponents from 200-300 yards away? Do you have epic courses with cars, streets, and houses to simulate urban combat? Otherwise what use is it to a mil/LEO guy looking to train?

 

Well, considering over 90% of all instances where LEO draw their arms, the target is less than 25 yards away, well within airsoft. Also, if you read the posts, I already said it isn't really effective for anything over 150 feet. It is more effective as a training tool for tactical movement, team work, and cqb.

I use airsoft for USPSA training in my garage. I have a gun set up like my "real steel" and use scaled down paper and steel targets. It's fun and does help hone the skill set/ muscle memory aspect.

 

Jan

Ive never done the airsoft thing. But I did get my kid a couple of high end ones. They operate 99% like the real thing so I thought it had value in his weapons handling experience. With that being said, I have run into enough real world people that use it for IPSC/IDPA training and tout it as far superior to dry firing. And real world LE/Mil guys that use it for CQB F on F traiining on the cheap. This has caused me to sit up and pay some attention to it.

If you guys want I can bring some airsoft stuff around to the next meet. Dunno if they'd let me fire it or what but I could show it off.

I tend to get REALLY aggresive in paintball, play wise.

 

I like the all day games where you go to a zone and sit for a bit, that way I can keep doing "medal of honor" plays just because I can.

 

I once ran out in a field with nearly the entire other side chasing and just fell and did the Willem DaFoe thing. I made a lot of friends with that one hehe

The Willem DaFoe thing?

 

I play pretty aggressive too. One time I was playing with my friend, filled him in on what my plan was. He kept me cover while I snuck onto the other teams side and faced my team. Every one of the enemies thought I was on their team. The ref saw it too, so I just started tapping people out. I would run up and slide into cover with them, say "do you see any of them?" and then tap their shoulder and say "youre out!"....the look on their faces was absolutely priceless

The Willem DaFoe thing?

 

From Platoon. When he is chasing after the heli and keeps getting shot from behind.

 

Ben Stiller's character parodied it in Tropic Thunder.

I'm not sure how airsoft/paintball can simulate "realistic" conditions. Do you play in the woods and shoot at your opponents from 200-300 yards away? Do you have epic courses with cars, streets, and houses to simulate urban combat? Otherwise what use is it to a mil/LEO guy looking to train?

 

Skirmish up in the Poconos has a whole bunch of courses you can play on. http://www.skirmish.com/content/fields/

 

I know they allow airsoft, just not sure when. Personally i find airsoft more realistic. Most of the guns cost as much as the real thing, S&W makes a nice glock looking pistol its C02 blow back and i think 100 bucks, best hand gun i have seen so far. http://www.airsplat.com/Items/GP-SA-32527.htm

 

Beware, a lot of airsoft guns are POS. If you do want to get one go with a company that is proven quality.

Skirmish up in the Poconos has a whole bunch of courses you can play on. http://www.skirmish....content/fields/

 

I know they allow airsoft, just not sure when. Personally i find airsoft more realistic. Most of the guns cost as much as the real thing, S&W makes a nice glock looking pistol its C02 blow back and i think 100 bucks, best hand gun i have seen so far. http://www.airsplat....GP-SA-32527.htm

 

Beware, a lot of airsoft guns are POS. If you do want to get one go with a company that is proven quality.

 

Well put. Best quality companies: (price isnt factored)

 

- Systema

- Celcius

- KWA

- Inokatsu

- Ares

- Tokyo Marui

From Platoon. When he is chasing after the heli and keeps getting shot from behind.

 

Ben Stiller's character parodied it in Tropic Thunder.

Platoon, great movie.....

Skirmish up in the Poconos has a whole bunch of courses you can play on. http://www.skirmish.com/content/fields/

 

I know they allow airsoft, just not sure when. Personally i find airsoft more realistic. Most of the guns cost as much as the real thing, S&W makes a nice glock looking pistol its C02 blow back and i think 100 bucks, best hand gun i have seen so far. http://www.airsplat.com/Items/GP-SA-32527.htm

 

Beware, a lot of airsoft guns are POS. If you do want to get one go with a company that is proven quality.

 

Skirmish is meh. There are plenty of airsoft fields in NJ that are great. We even play at some ranges (Harborsite USANA).

 

If you want a good quality gun, just ask me or DR. We know the good sites and which guns are good and which aren't.