Ok this is how me buying a gun took 11 months

So I filled appreciation and after a few weeks I was denied for criminal record and lieing on the application. So like any angry citizen I call the chief of police to find out why. Here is where the story gets crazy. Their is a guy a few towns over from me who is also Shawn t Moore and was born on the same month day and year as me. He is also a white male with the same color hair and eyes. Now I already knew about this guy because back when I was 18 I was charged with falsifying a drivers liscense application because a cop ran my name and discovered all this. The DMV had to give us a dividing number on our dl. Thus guy has been arrested countless times for drug charges and when he wouldn't go to court a warrant would go out and guess who was arrested a few times. I even spent a few days in the county because of this. Well those stories could go on forever so back to the story at hand. The chief of course didn't believe me when I told him all this. So then my appeal process starts. Eventually I get my 1st superior court date. I go and I have all my paper work. I brought arrest reports with his pic, letters from the DMV, a letter from his townships police Dept stating I have never been arrested in that town. So the judge jumps all over the chief that he should have maybe done a little research. Then the chief pointed out the background check stated I was in a nut house. Of course I wasn't but the chief asked for a postponement. I then had to go to the mental hospital and meet with multiple staff members and pull teeth to get a letter stating I was never a patient. A few months later I get another court date and it's now proven it wasn't me. So then after some arguing about a pot charge that was 8 years old that I had a conditional discharge on and a DUI that was close to that old the judge grants my permits. Then almost a month later the chief finally signs my permit. That day I bought a sig pistol. But that didn't go easy because the police had a misprint on my permit and the state got involved. The head of the firearms Dept in Trenton personally did my background check and contacted the chief about the misprint on my permit. I did get my gun but it took every bit of 11 months

Wow. I bet it feels that much better knowing how hard it was to get it.

That's terrible luck. Dude, if I were you I'd be checking my credit report every month.

If it were me, I would have changed my name after the first arrest. Actually, even that probably wouldn't have been enough.

 

Let's hope you're in the clear for good now!

Yeah I would have changed my middle name or something. Heh. Man what a journey!

Good for you that you didn't give up. I'm glad I didn't give up on getting my permits after I was turned down. Congratz man. What kind of Sig did you buy?

Even if I change my name it's still my alias so I can't escape it. I bought a sig sauer p250 compact .40

Their is a guy a few towns over from me who is also Shawn t Moore and was born on the same month day and year as me. He is also a white male with the same color hair and eyes.

my recommendation is to get your name changed legally, even if you change just the spelling.why even mention aliases? this may haunt you for the rest of your life as long as the other person is a criminal-type with numerous arrests and prior convictions.

that other guy is never gonna stop as long as he knows you exist and can pin stuff on you.

Wow what a coincidence! Some what local guy with the same name and birthday! That's crazy!

WOW!

Believe me I looked into every option. I even had Rob Andrews office involved. I haven't gotten to vote in 6 years because god knows where they send my ballot. This year it's supposedly straightened out. The state police says I need to carry my record with mr everywhere I go.

Way to hang with it Shawn. My co-worker had a tough time as well, but that was his own doing. Took him almost a year and a half. But he's blasting away!

I would go back to the PD every 3 months or so and apply for more pistol permits so the chief has to see your name over and over again when he signs and authorizes them.

Ok this is how me buying a gun took 11 months

So I filled appreciation and after a few weeks I was denied for criminal record and lieing on the application. So like any angry citizen I call the chief of police to find out why. Here is where the story gets crazy. Their is a guy a few towns over from me who is also Shawn t Moore and was born on the same month day and year as me. He is also a white male with the same color hair and eyes. Now I already knew about this guy because back when I was 18 I was charged with falsifying a drivers liscense application because a cop ran my name and discovered all this. The DMV had to give us a dividing number on our dl. Thus guy has been arrested countless times for drug charges and when he wouldn't go to court a warrant would go out and guess who was arrested a few times. I even spent a few days in the county because of this. Well those stories could go on forever so back to the story at hand. The chief of course didn't believe me when I told him all this. So then my appeal process starts. Eventually I get my 1st superior court date. I go and I have all my paper work. I brought arrest reports with his pic, letters from the DMV, a letter from his townships police Dept stating I have never been arrested in that town. So the judge jumps all over the chief that he should have maybe done a little research. Then the chief pointed out the background check stated I was in a nut house. Of course I wasn't but the chief asked for a postponement. I then had to go to the mental hospital and meet with multiple staff members and pull teeth to get a letter stating I was never a patient. A few months later I get another court date and it's now proven it wasn't me. So then after some arguing about a pot charge that was 8 years old that I had a conditional discharge on and a DUI that was close to that old the judge grants my permits. Then almost a month later the chief finally signs my permit. That day I bought a sig pistol. But that didn't go easy because the police had a misprint on my permit and the state got involved. The head of the firearms Dept in Trenton personally did my background check and contacted the chief about the misprint on my permit. I did get my gun but it took every bit of 11 months

 

Damn bro, I am glad you made it through. That sucks that the chief was being such a dick about it and would try to deny you your right.

I am glad to hear that you found relief through the courts! Begins to restore my faith in the judicial system.

Unreal. Glad it all worked out in the end and good on you for persisting till things were made right.

ok, so don't EVER apply for a Utah ccw permit - they run you against NICS every 24 hrs....

 

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Wow, thats unreal.

 

However, there is ONE thing that bothers me. The application includes your social security number.....if you were to provide your social security card, the chief should not have denied you your FPID. He cannot simply deny you based on "not believing your story". Innocent until proven guilty means just that, and it seems that in this case you were required to prove your innocence.

Ok this is how me buying a gun took 11 months

So I filled appreciation and after a few weeks I was denied for criminal record and lieing on the application. So like any angry citizen I call the chief of police to find out why. Here is where the story gets crazy. Their is a guy a few towns over from me who is also Shawn t Moore and was born on the same month day and year as me. He is also a white male with the same color hair and eyes. Now I already knew about this guy because back when I was 18 I was charged with falsifying a drivers liscense application because a cop ran my name and discovered all this. The DMV had to give us a dividing number on our dl. Thus guy has been arrested countless times for drug charges and when he wouldn't go to court a warrant would go out and guess who was arrested a few times. I even spent a few days in the county because of this. Well those stories could go on forever so back to the story at hand. The chief of course didn't believe me when I told him all this. So then my appeal process starts. Eventually I get my 1st superior court date. I go and I have all my paper work. I brought arrest reports with his pic, letters from the DMV, a letter from his townships police Dept stating I have never been arrested in that town. So the judge jumps all over the chief that he should have maybe done a little research. Then the chief pointed out the background check stated I was in a nut house. Of course I wasn't but the chief asked for a postponement. I then had to go to the mental hospital and meet with multiple staff members and pull teeth to get a letter stating I was never a patient. A few months later I get another court date and it's now proven it wasn't me. So then after some arguing about a pot charge that was 8 years old that I had a conditional discharge on and a DUI that was close to that old the judge grants my permits. Then almost a month later the chief finally signs my permit. That day I bought a sig pistol. But that didn't go easy because the police had a misprint on my permit and the state got involved. The head of the firearms Dept in Trenton personally did my background check and contacted the chief about the misprint on my permit. I did get my gun but it took every bit of 11 months

 

And this is why our gun permit system is a complete failure.

And this is why our gun permit system is a complete failure.

What if it was the other Shawn that was applying for one? Would you not care if he got a gun? Our system might suck, but it actually worked in this case. It was an inconvenience for this Shawn, but I think it's better than the other Shawn getting a permit, specially if the guy had an extensive record.

What if it was the other Shawn that was applying for one? Would you not care if he got a gun? Our system might suck, but it actually worked in this case. It was an inconvenience for this Shawn, but I think it's better than the other Shawn getting a permit, specially if the guy had an extensive record.

 

I'd hardly call waiting 11 months and having to spend god knows how long in courtrooms and hospitals and meeting with police chiefs missing who knows how many hours of work or other plans an "inconvenience"

 

Social Security Number and the DMV also has a special number they assigned this guy years ago. 30 years ago when everything was on paper in filing cabinets I could understand. But that's just inexcusable in the digital age and shows incompetence on part of the investigators. The judge even said that. Notice that the NJSP had no trouble at all in determining who was the guy with a criminal record and who was not?

 

I'm going to ignore your first sentence, and pretend you aren't actually naive enough to think that a felon with history of drug arrests would bother applying to the local PD to buy a registered handgun.

 

Come to think of it,if the Shawn T. Moore with a criminal record felt like obtaining a handgun, he could have done so a hell of a lot quicker than the legitimate, law abiding Shawn T. Moore.

 

Wait, that's not funny. it's just pathetic

That's crazy. Way to keep up the good fight!

I'm going to ignore your first sentence, and pretend you aren't actually naive enough to think that a felon with history of drug arrests would bother applying to the local PD to buy a registered handgun.

You never know...remember, dumb criminals do dumb things. There's even a TV show.

You never know...remember, dumb criminals do dumb things. There's even a TV show.

 

The way the chief explained it to me is they send the info to the county. When the county does the background check they only do name and birthday. I have no idea why but that's what he said.

The county has nothing to do with the FID or PP. It is all handled by your PD or the SP. The chief is incompetent , lazy and a liar.

 

The PP has 4 copies the buyer, seller, SP and your town. Where is the county involved?

Did the chief not believe your fingerprints? Unless you're schizophrenic and don't know you committed those crimes your prints won't match. In all seriousness that is sad you had to go through that. You might want a passport or some ID with a photo and your picture on it. It would make great backup ID.

 

Congrats on persevering through all that red tape. That's determination!

Congratulations Shawn and good for you to fight the "man".

 

I guess when you figure the late, and not great, Ted Kennedy used to get stopped by TSA from boarding a flight until they finally fixed that problem, it would be tough fo rthe average guy to deal with such an issue.

 

I hope you can find some way to fix this problem. Maybe get a letter from the courts or State Police identifying you from the othe S.M. so you won't have to go throught this b.s. in the future.

 

Good luck.

Oh I wasn't ever gonna quit this fight out of pure principle. Whether the chief was lieing I don't know. I just know what I was told.