Here's a question....

 

Those that don't carry copies of their permits with their firearms because the law doesn't require it, do you also not carry personal identification for the same reason?

 

Just a rhetorical question to make you think.

 

I don't know if that's the same thing... And there may be some archain law that requires you to carry ID. The primary ID that we all carry is probably a drivers license and that we are required to carry while driving. When I'm in the woods I don't carry ID other than the hunting license. And now that you mention it I'm probably in violation of the law because I'm not carrying a Firearms ID Card.

 

Wow Paul, You just opened another can of worms...

I keep originals somewhere safe, and copies with the firearms. Why? Redundancy. While I'm not concerned about being in a situation where I would be proverbially smacked around by LEOs because I'm not the type that gets into those types of situations; however, if/when it rains, it can pour. And while I do not think its in the law enforcement's realm to judge, but to serve based on what is written, we are but human... which means we're fallible creatures. So, yes, I will carry copies of the documents for my own sake.

 

As for the rhetorical, I do carry some ID mostly everywhere. Its a scary, crappy world out there... and while many of us may theorize in absolutes, the world is but-- oft in grays (as we all know already). I'm saying this coming from the other side of the fence...

Here's a question....

 

Those that don't carry copies of their permits with their firearms because the law doesn't require it, do you also not carry personal identification for the same reason?

 

Just a rhetorical question to make you think.

 

I certainly do not carry my passport on me...

My paperwork are in a safe where they belong. I have never been questioned about the origins of my weapons.

I don't want my paperwork to go with the gun if it gets stolen somehow.

 

One copy of the Purchase permit goes to the PD that generated it, in some form or another. If they want to know if it is mine they have ways to find out.

Here's a question....

 

Those that don't carry copies of their permits with their firearms because the law doesn't require it, do you also not carry personal identification for the same reason?

 

Just a rhetorical question to make you think.

3 IDs i always have with me...Driver's license, work ID, and FID.

Think about this, If you can legally own a pistol and you inherited one from uncle Harry(it was in his will) you can legally possess that pistol and you never had a PPP.

 

Exactly. To me it's not about the inconvenience of having to carry around a piece of paper but more so the fact that that piece of paper does not always exist. My grandfather left behind a handgun. Not in the will, technically it bounces down to my mother. Say she took it to the range one day. I agree with an above post that if it is being transported properly NO ONE should ever know it's in your car (that whole 'telling a cop you have weapons in the trunk' thing is another argument and does have its own thread somewhere, or used to anyway) but hypothetically a cop stops her and asks her for proof of ownership. It's not in the will so that wont help, she has no FID, no PPPs, but that, obviously, does not mean she does not own it. Because of this I think the concept of asking to see any paperwork is complete crap because there won't always be any, even in perfectly legal situations.

In the car, you never know when your gonna come across a deal.

In the car, you never know when your gonna come across a deal.

 

+1

This is a really good question. Please chime in if I'm not correct... Realisticly there should be no need to keep the pink copy. Follow this rational, NJ has a permit to putchase and not to possess. So, after the purchase you should never have to show where you got it.

 

Now that being said I keep mine in the safe. I even keep a shrunk copy under the grip of one of my defense guns.

 

Think about this, If you can legally own a pistol and you inherited one from uncle Harry(it was in his will) you can legally possess that pistol and you never had a PPP.

 

Great question.

 

I have handguns that were either given to me or purchased while I lived in Ohio. I don't have pistol permits for them. If you asked me where the copies are for the pistols I purchased in NJ, I may be able to find them...I do sort of put them in one place, but they are not relevant documents. If it ever came down to a legal issue of ownership, the police department could be subpoena'd for it and would in most cases anyway to be sure your pink copy wasn't altered. While having a pink copy with you might help prevent an ill informed police officer from confiscating your guns, rightly or wrongly, your firearms purchaser ID will serve the purpose just as well. Some cops think the Firearms Purchaser ID is a Firearms Ownership ID and upon showing it would let you on your way where as legally it has no relevance to ownership of any gun, short or long, only legally allowing the purchase of long guns and handgun ammunition.

in a basket next to the fireplace

I change my mind so much, its a pain in the a** to carry copies of all the stuff. I tried it, and ended up with a giant zip lock bag full of papers that where for guns i either didn't have with me, or gotten rid of. Since the law doesn't require it, I don't bother any more. If the one in a million cop wants to confiscate it for whatever reason.. legal or not... I'll go back later with the copy of the Pistol Permit.

 

Maybe I'll try to start again since I'm trying to figure out the perpetual "perfect" assortment of firearms.

 

I carry my driver's license in my wallet just like everyone else because it's required while driving and I do that every day.

 

I actually don't carry my FPID with me unless transporting or buying guns/ammo, because its big and doesn't fit in my wallet and gets beat up quickly.

 

Like Dan, I only carry my passport while I go on vacation or to the DMV.

I never used to carry copies of the PPs.. then someone on here said something that made me go "Hmm..I guess it couldn't hurt to have them just in case"... don't remember who it was or what was said, but I ended up putting copies into my range bag. Don't carry any paperwork for the long guns.. just the handguns.

Original in safe. Copy in each car plus pistol case

Original in safe. Copy in each car plus pistol case

 

 

I don't want to try to sound like I am convincing your or anything, but people break into cars too. Quite often actually.

I have handguns that were either given to me or purchased while I lived in Ohio. I don't have pistol permits for them. If you asked me where the copies are for the pistols I purchased in NJ, I may be able to find them...I do sort of put them in one place, but they are not relevant documents. If it ever came down to a legal issue of ownership, the police department could be subpoena'd for it and would in most cases anyway to be sure your pink copy wasn't altered. While having a pink copy with you might help prevent an ill informed police officer from confiscating your guns, rightly or wrongly, your firearms purchaser ID will serve the purpose just as well. Some cops think the Firearms Purchaser ID is a Firearms Ownership ID and upon showing it would let you on your way where as legally it has no relevance to ownership of any gun, short or long, only legally allowing the purchase of long guns and handgun ammunition.

 

Ditto. We lived in Wisconsin before we moved back to New Jersey. (Don't ask me why.) Papers? For a gun? What papers?

 

I did take the challenge and managed to locate the pink copies for the pistols I've purchased here.

what do you do if you lose the pistol permit pink copy?