My wife and I went to pick up her Permit To Puchase this evening. I've been known to brag at times and told the detective she won a G19 at a pistol match. (It was a door prize) He says "Be careful with that GLOCK, alot of people shoot themselves with them". I said I was a GLOCK armorer and they are perfectly safe. He said to me "What's the first thing you do to dissassemble and clean a GLOCK?" I said drop the hammer. He said "See that's how people shoot themselves".

 

Just guess he wasn't a "Gun Guy"...

Frank... not that he is not a gun guy... he is not a glock guy.

 

It still bugs me the only gun I own where you need to pull the trigger to take it apart is a glock. I check the empty slide 5 times..., but I still feel a little uneasy pulling the trigger to disassemble it.

 

I remember reading some guy on either THR, or another site that had a ND, doing that.

LOL..... Gun guy or not.....

 

Sounds like he has had to do plenty of paperwork dealing with people shooting themselves with their Glock..... plenty of moron gun owners around who have no idea of safe gun practices....

Very interesting he said that cause i know of a officer , at a dept i wont name, who was cleaning his glock and accidentally blew a round off which lodged into the wall at the PD dept ..

Frank... not that he is not a gun guy... he is not a glock guy.

 

It still bugs me the only gun I own where you need to pull the trigger to take it apart is a glock. I check the empty slide 5 times..., but I still feel a little uneasy pulling the trigger to disassemble it.

 

I remember reading some guy on either THR, or another site that had a ND, doing that.

 

Maks as an RO, you watch people drop a hammer on an empty chamber ad nausium. You better get used to it. Magazine safeties are a false sense of security, that's been a criticism of GLOCKS. And, almost everything else I can think of gets disassembled with the hammer cocked. It appears to me to be a firearm safety, comfort issue. Everything gets put in the safe hammer down and I don't always ease the hammer down.

 

Just my $.02 BTW what is a "ND"?

Maks as an RO, you watch people drop a hammer on an empty chamber ad nausium. You better get used to it. Magazine safeties are a false sense of security, that's been a criticism of GLOCKS. And, almost everything else I can think of gets disassembled with the hammer cocked. It appears to me to be a firearm safety, comfort issue. Everything gets put in the safe hammer down and I don't always ease the hammer down.

 

Just my $.02 BTW what is a "ND"?

 

 

Absolutely, but at the range, an AD goes into the backstop. At home... while cleaning? I suppose folks put their guard down while cleaning their firearm.

 

Do you have to pull the trigger on the Smith M&P's?

 

BTW what is a "ND"?

 

i think it's negligent discharge

 

ad would be accidental

M&P's have a easy to use takedown lever.....

Frank... not that he is not a gun guy... he is not a glock guy.

 

It still bugs me the only gun I own where you need to pull the trigger to take it apart is a glock. I check the empty slide 5 times..., but I still feel a little uneasy pulling the trigger to disassemble it.

 

I remember reading some guy on either THR, or another site that had a ND, doing that.

 

I have to pull the trigger on my XD to take it apart, but so what? Check the chamber (I check at least twice) and your good to go.

Absolutely, but at the range, an AD goes into the backstop. At home... while cleaning? I suppose folks put their guard down while cleaning their firearm.

 

Do you have to pull the trigger on the Smith M&P's?

 

 

You Know what my problem is? I've seen the damage firearms can do and take for granted everyone else is as careful as I am. But once the machine is proved safe it's only a bunch of parts. I understand what you are saying Maks about the location when dropping the hammer. But if made clear the location shouldn't really matter.

 

BTW the guy in that video is a pompus asshole, incompetent. Unless that was a staged blank which I doubt...

My wife and I went to pick up her Permit To Puchase this evening. I've been known to brag at times and told the detective she won a G19 at a pistol match. (It was a door prize) He says "Be careful with that GLOCK, alot of people shoot themselves with them". I said I was a GLOCK armorer and they are perfectly safe. He said to me "What's the first thing you do to dissassemble and clean a GLOCK?" I said drop the hammer. He said "See that's how people shoot themselves".

 

Just guess he wasn't a "Gun Guy"...

 

So far two Brick cops have shot themselves in the thigh... It must be in their training manual; rack the slide, drop the mag, pull the trigger and call for the paramedics...

How goddamned hard can it be to drop the magazine, rack the slide (several times), and visually inspect the chamber? If you shoot yourself, you're a friggin idiot.

Frank, it was a trick question and you failed. The first step is make sure gun is unloaded. Even though it seems like common sense, people do get shot with Unloaded guns all the time. I guess more so with Glocks because of the disassembly procedure.

Frank, it was a trick question and you failed. The first step is make sure gun is unloaded. Even though it seems like common sense, people do get shot with Unloaded guns all the time. I guess more so with Glocks because of the disassembly procedure.

 

Sigh...

Sigh...

 

Adam- We've disassembled GLOCKS together and where do you see the gun cleared? Mag out, Clear, clear, clear, snap it into the floor.

Frank, it was a trick question and you failed. The first step is make sure gun is unloaded. Even though it seems like common sense, people do get shot with Unloaded guns all the time. I guess more so with Glocks because of the disassembly procedure.

 

Tim- Here lies the problem. If one is expected to include unload as a step you failed for having a loaded firearm that wasn't in service.

But I see your point exactly. The "idiot proof" firearm or automobile for that matter have not been developed yet.

How goddamned hard can it be to drop the magazine, rack the slide (several times), and visually inspect the chamber? If you shoot yourself, you're a friggin idiot.

 

 

Or, how about just look for daylight through the mag well and breech and don't be in a hurry? I get it about racking the slide several times, but it always seems to me that after while actions like the become a rote that is given less and less throught.

 

If I am going to disassemble my Glock I drop the mag and lock it open. One quick second to check yourself mentally with my eyes in the breech is the most useful to me.

When did Glock start installing hammers on their guns?

Adam- We've disassembled GLOCKS together and where do you see the gun cleared? Mag out, Clear, clear, clear, snap it into the floor.

 

I agree Frank, especially if you clear the firearm pointing in a safe direction. There is no reason a gun need be pointed at you or someone you care about during cleaning.

It still bugs me the only gun I own where you need to pull the trigger to take it apart is a glock. I check the empty slide 5 times..., but I still feel a little uneasy pulling the trigger to disassemble it.

 

Yeah between the Glock and my XD, I'm *really* careful and rack the slide like 20x.... lol....

 

I'm very glad that the XDM doesn't have that "feature" though.

The 4 rules apply even when cleaning. The gun is a gun until dissembled to the point where it can no longer be fired in any way is how I do it.

Wow... Two pages on handgun safety. And not one person appears to be careless. I'm proud of you guys. Pat yourselves on the back.

Wow... Two pages on handgun safety. And not one person appears to be careless. I'm proud of you guys. Pat yourselves on the back.

HAHA, That is because there is an edit button.

Even guns where they have a "de-cocker" aren't guaranteed safe. I know a certain someone who discharged a 92FS into their wall because they loaded it with real bullets for a function check after cleaning... Why? I don't know. But luckily the ND went into a brick wall, and no one called the cops.

odd I feel completely safe pulling the trigger.. I check and recheck the chamber.. it is empty.. so I pull the trigger.. to this day I do not own any invisible ammunition so I think I am pretty safe..

I think its an LE perspective. More than one dept got glocks in, suffered a rash of ND's and then bought something with an external safety

I think its an LE perspective. More than one dept got glocks in, suffered a rash of ND's and then bought something with an external safety

 

Typical of police...

I solve this problem by never cleaning my guns.

I solve this problem by never cleaning my guns.

Yeah, some of us know the hard way.

Yeah between the Glock and my XD, I'm *really* careful and rack the slide like 20x.... lol....

 

I'm very glad that the XDM doesn't have that "feature" though.

 

On my XD I do the same thing. I hate having to pull the trigger break the gun down but it's better to be safe than sorry.