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Press Release of Senator Lautenberg

 

WASHINGTON, D.C. – Today, U.S. Senator Frank R. Lautenberg (D-NJ) introduced a package of three common-sense gun safety bills that would ban high-capacity gun magazines and keep deadly weapons out of the hands of criminals and terrorists. As one of Congress’ leading voices for gun safety, Senator Lautenberg has worked throughout his career to draft legislation that prevents criminals and terrorists from obtaining guns and assault weapons.

 

“This package of common-sense gun safety bills would sail through Congress if it wasn’t for the special interest gun lobby. It’s time to put aside business as usual in Washington, and start considering the safety of our families over special interests,” Lautenberg said. “In our country, terrorists can buy weapons at gun stores, convicted felons can buy Glocks at gun shows, and just about anyone can get their hands on a 30-round magazine designed to shoot and kill quickly. Congress has a responsibility to enact common-sense reforms that will keep weapons out of the hands of criminals and terrorists, and prevent another massacre like the one we saw in Tucson.”

 

“Just like Mayor Michael Bloomberg and the 1,200-plus members of the US Conference of Mayors in their announcements yesterday, Senator Lautenberg understands that we need a comprehensive approach to reducing gun violence in America,” said Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (D-NY), who introduced the high-capacity magazine ban in the U.S. House. “Having written the law authorizing more spending for our national background check system, working to close the gun show loophole and introducing the bill to ban high-capacity magazines, I’m proud to stand with Senator Lautenberg and these leaders in our efforts to make this country safer.”

 

A January 2011 national survey conducted by the Mayors Against Illegal Guns found that an overwhelming majority of Americans support Senator Lautenberg’s gun safety proposals. The bipartisan study revealed that 88 percent of Americans favor prohibiting people on the terrorist watch lists from purchasing guns, 89 percent favor eliminating the gun show loophole, and 58 percent support banning the sale of high-capacity ammunition magazines.

 

The following bills were introduced today by Senator Lautenberg to address the gaping holes in U.S. gun safety laws.

 

Large Capacity Ammunition Feeding Device Act

The legislation would prohibit the manufacture and sale of ammunition magazines that have a capacity of, or could be readily converted to accept, more than 10 rounds of ammunition. From 1994 – 2004, high capacity ammunition magazines were illegal as part of the Federal Assault Weapons Ban. When the ban expired in 2004, Republican leaders in Congress pledged to not resurrect it. Since that time, high capacity clips (more than 10 rounds at a time) have been legal to manufacture and sell. A high-capacity ammunition magazine was used to carry out the recent shooting spree in Tucson, allowing the suspect to fire off 31 bullets in just 15 seconds.

 

The “Large Capacity Ammunition Feeding Device Act” is co-sponsored by Senators Barbara Boxer (D-CA), Richard Durbin (D-IL), Dianne Feinstein (D-CA), Al Franken (D-MN), John Kerry (D-MA), Carl Levin (D-MI), Robert Menendez (D-NJ), Jack Reed (D-RI) and Charles Schumer (D-NY).

 

Denying Firearms and Explosives to Dangerous Criminals Act

 

The legislation would close a dangerous loophole known as the “Terror Gap” that prevents law enforcement from stopping a person on the terrorist watch list from obtaining firearms or explosives. It would provide the Attorney General with authority to deny the transfer of a firearm or issuance of a firearm or explosives license when a background check reveals that the purchaser is a known or suspected terrorist and the Attorney General reasonably believes that the person may use a firearm or explosives in connection with terrorism. An investigation by the U.S. Government Accountability Office (GAO) found that between February 2004 and February 2010, there were 1,119 cases in which individuals on the Terror Watch List were cleared to purchase a gun or explosive.

 

The “Denying Firearms and Explosives to Dangerous Criminals Act” is co-sponsored by Senators Durbin, Feinstein, Levin, Menendez, Reed, Schumer and Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI).

 

Gun Show Background Check Act

 

The legislation would close the gun show loophole that allows guns to be sold, even to criminals and terrorists, without background checks at gun shows. It would require that sellers at gun shows perform the same background checks that licensed gun dealers are required to perform under the Brady Law. The Gun Show Background Check Act of 2011 is virtually identical to the Lautenberg amendment passed by the Senate in the 106th Congress as part of the Juvenile Justice bill.

 

The “Gun Show Background Check Act” is co-sponsored by Senators Durbin, Feinstein, Kerry, Levin, Menendez, Reed, Schumer and Whitehouse.

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just about anyone can get their hands on a 30-round magazine designed to shoot and kill quickly.

 

Magazines now shoot and kill?

 

The legislation would close a dangerous loophole known as the “Terror Gap” that prevents law enforcement from stopping a person on the terrorist watch list from obtaining firearms or explosives.

 

It would provide the Attorney General with authority to deny the transfer of a firearm or issuance of a firearm or explosives license when a background check reveals that the purchaser is a known or suspected terrorist.

 

Law enforcement stops the sale of firearms? A cop at every FFL?

I would think someone on the terrorist watch list would probably fail a NICS check.

 

I can't wait until this clown is out of office.

In our country, terrorists can buy weapons at gun stores, convicted felons can buy Glocks at gun shows, and just about anyone can get their hands on a 30-round magazine designed to shoot and kill quickly.

 

Terrorists can also buy weapons from the black market.....however many of their attacks use explosives which aren't purchased at gun stores. Should we ban all propane tanks and gas cans?

 

Since when can a convicted felon buy a gun at a gun show? Last time I checked, they still did background checks at gun shows.

 

Also, last time I checked, the firearm was designed to shoot......not the magazine.

 

 

Since when can a convicted felon buy a gun at a gun show? Last time I checked, they still did background checks at gun shows.

 

 

In a free state, buying face to face requires no paperwork. I bought a number of guns at gun shows in Ohio while I was a resident. People often had a table set up with a sign "No paperwork". You give him the money, he gives you the gun.

 

People also walked around with rifles slung over their shoulders with a barrel flag that read "For sale". Tap 'em on the shoulder, hand over the money, sling gun over your shoulder, remove flag, done.

In a free state, buying face to face requires no paperwork. I bought a number of guns at gun shows in Ohio while I was a resident. People often had a table set up with a sign "No paperwork". You give him the money, he gives you the gun.

 

People also walked around with rifles slung over their shoulders with a barrel flag that read "For sale". Tap 'em on the shoulder, hand over the money, sling gun over your shoulder, remove flag, done.

I was not aware of that, thank you for letting me know. I have never even seen that in PA though, so I wasn't aware. I retract my statement about gun shows, yet stand my ground about high capacity magazines and terrorists.

 

This is AGAIN another ridiculous attempt to "get rid of crime" when it will not stop ONE crime from happening.

I would think someone on the terrorist watch list would probably fail a NICS check.

 

 

Why would you think that? If they haven't been convicted of any crimes or committed to a mental health facility they will not show up on NICS.

 

Please don't read into my response. I think this part of Lautenberg's bill is one of the largest threats to our freedom. He is state sponsoring the abolition of due process. We are supposed to be innocent until proven guilty. Do you know how many people end up on the terrorist watch list in error? Or are mere suspects with nothing more substantial than an innuendo or aspersion cast by someone that may not like them? The terrorist watch list is a witch hunt - it is a starting point, not an ultimate list of people that should be denied their rights under the law, and that is exactly what Lautenberg is advocating - no trial, no chance to confront your accuser, no evidence of any wrongdoing - just deny them because they are on the list. What is that list going to encompass next month? Next year? What criteria gets someone on the "list" and who establishes it. This is scarier than anything the mummy has done before because it strikes at the very heart of our justice system - due process of law. It is a very slippery slope. He seems to forget that he would have been on a similar list in 1939 Germany.

 

JMHO

 

Adios,

 

Pizza Bob

I was not aware of that, thank you for letting me know. I have never even seen that in PA though, so I wasn't aware.

 

I have only been to gunshows in PA, and at every single one there have been guys walking around with rifles slung over their backs with "for sale" signs on dowels stuck in the barrels. It's pretty common.

This package of common-sense gun safety bills would sail through Congress if it wasn’t for the special interest gun lobby.

 

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Couple things I noticed:

 

Gun Control Legislation is now called "Gun Safety Legislation." Nice try to polish a turd....but it still smells.

 

"Special Interest Gun Lobby." This isn't new wording, but is he referring to the grass-roots organizations funded by millions of gun owners and the manufacturers that make guns who are supported/kept in business by those millions of gun owners?

 

Yes, the NRA, SAF, NJ2AS and ANJRPC are "special interest groups" in that they specially care about and lobby a narrow band of topics....but they are not politically different than the Brady clan, so hop off your high-horse, Lautenburg.

 

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I recently wrote Pascrell and asked him if he would support a bill limiting sentences to 20 words or fewer so people couldn't express themselves too emphatically to incite violence. I haven't received a response, yet. I am in his district and he promises to write back to anyone in his district....I'll post results.

The terrorist watch list is a witch hunt - it is a starting point, not an ultimate list of people that should be denied their rights under the law, and that is exactly what Lautenberg is advocating - no trial, no chance to confront your accuser, no evidence of any wrongdoing - just deny them because they are on the list. What is that list going to encompass next month? Next year? What criteria gets someone on the "list" and who establishes it.

 

You're exactly right, Pizza Bob, it's McCarthyism, only you don't get any type of hearing before you're denied your rights.

Why would you think that? If they haven't been convicted of any crimes or committed to a mental health facility they will not show up on NICS.

 

Please don't read into my response. I think this part of Lautenberg's bill is one of the largest threats to our freedom. He is state sponsoring the abolition of due process. We are supposed to be innocent until proven guilty. Do you know how many people end up on the terrorist watch list in error? Or are mere suspects with noting more substantial than an innuendo or aspersion cast by someone that may not like them? The terrorist watch list is a witch hunt - it is a starting point, not an ultimate list of people that should be denied their rights under the law, and that is exactly what Lautenberg is advocating - no trial, no chance to confront your accuser, no evidence of any wrongdoing - just deny them because they are on the list. What is that list going to encompass next month? Next year? What criteria gets someone on the "list" and who establishes it. This is scarier than anything the mummy has done before because it strikes at the very heart of our justice system - due process of law. It is a very slippery slope. He seems to forget that he would have been on a similar list in 1939 Germany.

 

JMHO

 

Adios,

 

Pizza Bob

 

+1 to Pizza Bob

 

A terrorist watch list? Who decides for what reason you go on a terrorist watch list. I guess if you belong to a tea party, you're on the terrorist watch list? This is another way for the government to get control over free society. No Thanks!!!

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Press Release of Senator Lautenberg

 

WASHINGTON, D.C. – Today, U.S. Senator Frank R. Lautenberg (D-NJ) introduced a package of three common-sense gun safety bills that would ban high-capacity gun magazines and keep deadly weapons out of the hands of criminals and terrorists. As one of Congress’ leading voices for gun safety, Senator Lautenberg has worked throughout his career to draft legislation that prevents criminals and terrorists from obtaining guns and assault weapons.

 

I'm pretty sure they meant to say "... that prevents law abiding citizens from obtaining guns and assault weapons". I'm relatively certain his work has never actually stopped a criminal from illegally obtaining a weapon.

In a free state, buying face to face requires no paperwork. I bought a number of guns at gun shows in Ohio while I was a resident. People often had a table set up with a sign "No paperwork". You give him the money, he gives you the gun.

 

People also walked around with rifles slung over their shoulders with a barrel flag that read "For sale". Tap 'em on the shoulder, hand over the money, sling gun over your shoulder, remove flag, done.

 

 

And if the person doing the buying is a prohibited person, they are already committing a crime by buying a gun anyway. Frank seems to want to make crime even more illegal-er.

And if the person doing the buying is a prohibited person, they are already committing a crime by buying a gun anyway. Frank seems to want to make crime even more illegal-er.

 

Textbook definition of a "feel good law." Frank is the queen of feel good laws.

I'm pretty sure they meant to say "... that prevents law abiding citizens from obtaining guns and assault weapons". I'm relatively certain his work has never actually stopped a criminal from illegally obtaining a weapon.

 

according to lahtenberg legal gun owners ARE terrorists and criminals.

I have only been to gunshows in PA, and at every single one there have been guys walking around with rifles slung over their backs with "for sale" signs on dowels stuck in the barrels. It's pretty common.

 

And as a NJ resident you cannot legally buy from a PA resident FTF unless they are a FFL. So much for the loophole.

 

As far as the "watch list"...It took me three days to buy a shotgun one time because someone with the same surname is a convicted felon.

I have only been to gunshows in PA, and at every single one there have been guys walking around with rifles slung over their backs with "for sale" signs on dowels stuck in the barrels. It's pretty common.

Will I get a beating if I ask him "is that NJ compliant? can you fill out this CoE for me?"

In a free state, buying face to face requires no paperwork. I bought a number of guns at gun shows in Ohio while I was a resident. People often had a table set up with a sign "No paperwork". You give him the money, he gives you the gun.

 

People also walked around with rifles slung over their shoulders with a barrel flag that read "For sale". Tap 'em on the shoulder, hand over the money, sling gun over your shoulder, remove flag, done.

 

In America (like Ohio), you can buy guns off of ordinary Joes. Or blenders. Or knives. Or pellet stoves. Some states, like PA, have horrible laws that require handgun (not rifle) transfers to go through FFLs or Sheriff in most cases.

 

There is simply a federal law from the 90s that require FFLs to perform background checks for ALL guns transferred. In most states you can sell guns to your neighbors with no background checks or paperwork. In PA some official involvement is usually required for handguns. In NJ, as I have learned here, you only need FID to transfer rifle (but you do need paperwork) and you need pistol license or permit to transfer handgun.

 

If I want to walk around a Walmart selling a rifle I am free to do so. Although, I doubt they allow people to peddle stuff without permission. If I want to sell to my neighbor, I am free to do so. I can also sell him a pellet stove or a blender. If I want to get crap out of my house that includes guns I can buy a table at most flea markets or gun shows and sell the stuff I don't want. If I am constantly selling and restocking guns, I am probably a dealer and that is regulated by the ATF. If I have some machineguns or silencers I want to sell, I can sell them to my neighbor with no FFL involvement in most states. Of course, ATF gets their time to check everything out. And sometimes they do take their time.

 

This does not permit a firearms transfer to people from out of state. Or people reasonably suspected to be legally ineligible for firearms ownership or transfer.

Large Capacity Ammunition Feeding Device Act

 

Denying Firearms and Explosives to Dangerous Criminals Act

 

Gun Show Background Check Act

 

I propose the following legislation:

 

Large Duration Congressional Service Act

Prevents Congressmen/women from serving for more than 12 years

Denying Commonsense to Dangerous Senators Act

self explanatory

 

Criminal Background Check Act

Requires that all Congress members pass a background check. If they've ever bounced a check, committed a crime, failed to pay their taxes, etc. they are removed from office immediately and permanently.

 

Idiotic Fossil Act

Designed to prevent Lautenberg from serving.

"common-sense gun safety bills" = we don't have a logical reason to justify a need for this new law, so we'll call it "common-sense" to rationalize it.

Will I get a beating if I ask him "is that NJ compliant? can you fill out this CoE for me?"

While I Appreciate the Sarcasm...that's already a no-no you cant FTF between residents of different states, it would HAVE to go through an FFL under those circumstances.

 

It;s playing for the cameras so the Dems can blame the republicans for every incident from here on in. Laws HAVE to go through the House first, THEn to the senate. Since the dont have the Votes to get any Gun Control bills through the house (..WE HOPE) this is just Posturing on the part of the Crypt Keeper.

Like any terrorist went ahead and got an explosives license before buying fertilizer and diesel fuel.

While I Appreciate the Sarcasm...that's already a no-no you cant FTF between residents of different states, it would HAVE to go through an FFL under those circumstances.

yeah, but as someone has posted...a guy walking around, you just hand the money, they hand you the rifle. they don't bother asking for paperwork. it's a no-no for law abiding citizens, but what about criminal joe blow? His freakin bill does absolutely nothing for law abiding citizens. you're right, it's a "feel good" bill.

When will the Crypt Keeper go away???