The right answer:

 

Talk to an attorney. This one is too complicated for us to answer for you with any level of certainty.

 

You can try Evan Nappan or Gary Needleman. Their numbers are on line. They specialize in NJ firearms law.

 

Evan Nappan:

FREE CONSULTATION AVAILABLE

 

Call (732) 389-8888

 

21 Throckmorton Ave.

Eatontown, NJ 07724

Fax (732) 389-8744

 

http://www.evannappen.com/

 

Gary Needleman

Needleman and Pisano

At River Rd RR 202 Montville, NJ 07045

(973) 334-4422

 

Good luck and be careful, NJ eats its young.

See page 126 here...ATF Rul 80-21

 

An out-of-State college student

may establish residence in a State

by residing and maintaining a

home in a college dormitory or in a

location off-campus during the

school term.

 

This does not automatically establish residency. You have to follow the residency requirements of the state in question and in this case, he qualifies.

See page 126 here...ATF Rul 80-21

 

 

That's my situation.

 

By the way, I bought my firearms from two different FFL's both said it was completely legal. Since I purchased the firearms LEGALLY in Arizona. Can I bring them back to NJ with me for the summer? -while still a student-

 

Also, when I graduate and move back to NJ I will be a full time NJ resident again. Am I allowed to bring my guns back to NJ with me since they are within in the guidelines and were purchased legally? Or do I need some sort of NJ firearm permit or ID card

 

 

Malsua, I have the AZ ID card and even registered to vote. That's gotta count for something

That's my situation.

 

By the way, I bought my firearms from two different FFL's both said it was completely legal. Since I purchased the firearms LEGALLY in Arizona. Can I bring them back to NJ with me for the summer? -while still a student-

 

Also, when I graduate and move back to NJ I will be a full time NJ resident again. Am I allowed to bring my guns back to NJ with me since they are within in the guidelines and were purchased legally? Or do I need some sort of NJ firearm permit or ID card

 

 

Malsua, I have the AZ ID card and even registered to vote. That's gotta count for something

 

Talk to an attorney.

That's my situation.

 

By the way, I bought my firearms from two different FFL's both said it was completely legal. Since I purchased the firearms LEGALLY in Arizona. Can I bring them back to NJ with me for the summer? -while still a student-

 

Also, when I graduate and move back to NJ I will be a full time NJ resident again. Am I allowed to bring my guns back to NJ with me since they are within in the guidelines and were purchased legally? Or do I need some sort of NJ firearm permit or ID card

 

 

Malsua, I have the AZ ID card and even registered to vote. That's gotta count for something

 

Is this a trick to see how many times I'll post the same thing?

Sorry! Not trying to troll! Okay called the Law Office that was posted and left a message. Thanks for all the insight people!!

Yeah, talk to an attorney. This one is way tooo muddy, and is not a simple I lived in AZ and now moving to NJ.... especially since you are claiming both NJ and AZ residency.

 

IE... lets say you get pulled over.

 

Do you have firearms in the car?

 

Yes

 

Show me a purchase permit for it.

 

Dont have one.

 

Why not?

 

I bought it in AZ.

 

Why is your DL and FID card from NJ, from before you moved to AZ for school.

 

 

Keep in mind, you would have to explain this all to a jury... and if a bunch of gun owners are confused... this will be what the prosecutor will say...

 

"Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, the defendant is trying to go in circle justifying his gun purchases... while the facts are, he was a NJ resident, and he bought guns freely, circumventing our pistol permit process here in NJ, in that cowboy state of Arizona, where I may remind you the person shot and killed many people with a Glock, similar to the one the defendant brought to NJ."

 

bottom line, talk to a lawyer...

Sorry! Not trying to troll! Okay called the Law Office that was posted and left a message. Thanks for all the insight people!!

 

The bottom line is this:

 

If the firearms were purchased LEGALLY as a resident of a different state, they are legal in your residency in NJ.

 

What most of this thread is concerned with is the legality of your residency. Voting in AZ and the ID card, 7 months, etc, seems to have settled that for Arizona. You purchased the firearms from an FFL. While that doesn't completely absolve you if there was any false statements on the firearms paperwork, if there were no falsehoods and everything was in good faith, the firearms were purchased legally.

 

Now, the next question is, while you are living at home in NJ for the summer Is your lease suspended in AZ? The reason being that NJ may decide you're no longer a resident and consequently, the firearms exemptions wouldn't apply to you. This probably goes back to how your parents file taxes and having a NJ driver license. If your parents claim you, you're probably still a resident and therefore a resident of each state as you transit between them. Your license is really all that is probably required, I'm not a lawyer, can't say for sure when NJ doesn't consider you a resident any longer. Have a DL goes a long long ways towards it.

 

When you move back permanently, you will be certainly covered as you intended to make NJ your home.

 

An attorney would certainly be a good start.

IE... lets say you get pulled over.

 

Do you have firearms in the car?

 

Yes

 

Show me a purchase permit for it.

 

Dont have one.

 

Maksim,

I'm not trying to get off topic, but what would you (as a NJ resident who legally purchased with a PPP in NJ) say if a cop asked to see a purchase permit on the spot? Do you keep copies of your sales receipts and PPPs with your guns whenever you transport? I'm actually asking this as a legitimate question - not a rhetorical one. The only thing I keep with me when I'm going to the range or hunting is my hunting license (when going to a WMA or hunting) or my FID (if I remember to bring it with me when I'm going to any non-public land range). Even with that, half the time I forget my FID at home. If I'm going to the range, isn't this a legal activity for which to have a gun locked in the trunk, unloaded, without requiring an FID? What if I had moved to NJ from out of state with guns and wanted to go to the range, but had not obtained an FID? That's not illegal, right?

I'd still like to know what the F an "Arizona ID" card is...

I'd still like to know what the F an "Arizona ID" card is...

 

Probably similar to this:

http://www.state.nj.us/mvc/Licenses/NonDriverID.htm

I'd still like to know what the F an "Arizona ID" card is...

AZ CCW permit.

AZ CCW permit.

 

 

Well although CCW is not required to carry concealed in AZ, it is still available. I have my class on Saturday, the CCW card will allow me to carry in establishments that serve alcohol and also looks better in court if -hopefully not- I ever need to use my firearm for self defense.

AZ CCW permit.

 

Not according to his next post... he's getting it this weekend.

 

And he still hasn't explained what an "AZ ID" card is... I've read plenty of conjecture, but I still haven't seen an explanation from the guy who has one.

Not according to his next post... he's getting it this weekend.

 

And he still hasn't explained what an "AZ ID" card is... I've read plenty of conjecture, but I still haven't seen an explanation from the guy who has one.

 

A full explanation is found on literally the first link when you type "AZ ID Card" into Google...

 

"The Arizona Motor Vehicle Division issues non-driver identification cards to State residents who don't have a valid ID card, driver license or instruction permit from the State or any other jurisdiction. The ID card can be used to prove your identity, age, and residence in a variety of situations. An Arizona identification card does not expire unless it is issued to temporarily replace a suspended license, in which case it is valid for 180 days."

As long as he has his own place? ie, does living with mom and dad count? Lease or mtg in your name?

 

I think many are making too much of this. If you have an adult child that pays no rent and lives in your house are they not a resident there?

 

Owning property, having a lease, or future intentions hacve nothing to do has nothing to do with establishing a residence.

 

If you really want to argue this point on a Constitutional level, the US Constitution requires a Census to determine how many Congresspeople your state gets. They count college students as residents of the state they are going to school in. Makes no difference if they own, or rent or live in a dorm.

 

IE... lets say you get pulled over.

 

Do you have firearms in the car?

 

Yes

 

Show me a purchase permit for it.

 

 

There is no requirement to carry the purchase permit. Your concerns should be transporting the gun in a legal manner and being involved in a specified activity.

 

As far as being Brian Aitken II I don't think he has anything to worry about as long as he doesn't say or do anything that makes his Mother call 911. Many forget that's where Aitken's problem started.

As long as he has his own place? ie, does living with mom and dad count? Lease or mtg in your name?

 

I think many are making too much of this. If you have an adult child that pays no rent and lives in your house are they not a resident there?

 

Owning property, having a lease, or future intentions hacve nothing to do has nothing to do with establishing a residence.

 

If you really want to argue this point on a Constitutional level, the US Constitution requires a Census to determine how many Congresspeople your state gets. They count college students as residents of the state they are going to school in. Makes no difference if they own, or rent or live in a dorm.

 

IE... lets say you get pulled over.

 

Do you have firearms in the car?

 

Yes

 

Show me a purchase permit for it.

 

 

There is no requirement to carry the purchase permit. Your concerns should be transporting the gun in a legal manner and being involved in a specified activity.

 

As far as being Brian Aitken II I don't think he has anything to worry about as long as he doesn't say or do anything that makes his Mother call 911. Many forget that's where Aitken's problem started.

 

and being in possesion of high cap magazines

A full explanation is found on literally the first link when you type "AZ ID Card" into Google...

 

"The Arizona Motor Vehicle Division issues non-driver identification cards to State residents who don't have a valid ID card, driver license or instruction permit from the State or any other jurisdiction. The ID card can be used to prove your identity, age, and residence in a variety of situations. An Arizona identification card does not expire unless it is issued to temporarily replace a suspended license, in which case it is valid for 180 days."

 

Thanks; that was the type of explanation I was looking for.

 

Right there in the explanation of the ID card it says they are issued to State residents, which makes the purchases of the two handguns perfectly legal, but that doesn't mean you might not land in hot water in NJ (where they will claim you've been a resident continuously while you were in school, like Maksim said). The courts have put it very succinctly, the gun owner acts at his own peril. Doesn't mean you're going to land in jail bringing the guns home to NJ, but any run-in with the the law could open Pandora's box for you.

could open Pandora's box for you.

 

Pandora is a beotch and you sure don't want her to open her box for you...

Here's how Arizona defines it:

 

http://www.dmv.org/az-arizona/new-to-arizona.php

 

 

 

You, Harry, don't fit into any of those categories. He may on the seven months thing.

 

Thanks for the info, Never really looked into it, but won't be an issue down the road being I will be living there. Only issue at that time, is I'll be living in AZ and FL both. lol

 

Harry

Well although CCW is not required to carry concealed in AZ, it is still available. I have my class on Saturday, the CCW card will allow me to carry in establishments that serve alcohol and also looks better in court if -hopefully not- I ever need to use my firearm for self defense.

 

 

and...assuming you drive back to NJ...you will be able to carry until you get to MD/NJ.

and...assuming you drive back to NJ...you will be able to carry until you get to MD/NJ.

 

Depending what route he takes.

and...assuming you drive back to NJ...you will be able to carry until you get to MD/NJ.

 

Depending what route he takes.

 

 

Stayimg south of IL of course...

Today I called my town's PD and spoke to the person who handles firearms, fingerprints, and background checks. She told me that I would not even have to register my firearms but recommends I do. I am not very familiar with NJ firearm law, but thought I would need some sort of "firearm identification card" even if I legally purchased my firearms out of state -as an AZ resident- and moved back to NJ and became a full time NJ resident.

Today I called my town's PD and spoke to the person who handles firearms, fingerprints, and background checks. She told me that I would not even have to register my firearms but recommends I do. I am not very familiar with NJ firearm law, but thought I would need some sort of "firearm identification card" even if I legally purchased my firearms out of state -as an AZ resident- and moved back to NJ and became a full time NJ resident.

 

You don't need a Firearms Purchaser ID to have guns in NJ. If you want to buy ammo, you would need it though. A FPID is for long guns anyway, it has absolutely NOTHING to do with pistols.

 

Registration is voluntary and idiotic, don't do it.

You don't need a Firearms Purchaser ID to have guns in NJ. If you want to buy ammo, you would need it though. A FPID is for long guns anyway, it has absolutely NOTHING to do with pistols.

 

Registration is voluntary and idiotic, don't do it.

 

You need yer FPID when applying for PtP & purchasing same. I have never had an FFL do a txfer without it

You need yer FPID when applying for PtP & purchasing same. I have never had an FFL do a txfer without it

 

You can obtain permits to purchase a pistol without ever having obtained an FPID. A permit to purchase a pistol is all that is required to buy a pistol. The FPID box can be filled with your SBI number. The process is identical, and you'd be foolish not to get a FPID but it is not legally required and confers no legitimacy to pistols at all other than providing the cops with your SBI number.

Exactly

 

:thsmiley_deadhorse:

 

A "Permit to Purchase a Handgun and Form of Register" is for purchasing a handgun.

A "Firearms Purchaser Identification Card" is for purchasing long guns.

 

Neither is needed to possess firearms if done lawfully.

Either is needed to purchase ammunition in this state.

She told me that I would not even have to register my firearms but recommends I do.

 

You know, this is something that I really just don't understand. Before I was a gun owner, my wife and I lived in Northern Virginia (hated the people down there) for a year. A few months before we moved back to NJ, my wife's uncle died and we were unsure whether her aunt was going to give us some of his guns. In the end, she held onto them, but in the meantime I contacted NJSP to ask them what I needed to do to legally move back to NJ with guns from out of state. He told me (correctly) that I need not do anything as long as they were NJ legal, but he "strongly recommended" the voluntary registration. At the time I was only gathering information and was not involved or knowledgeable about 2A rights, so I didn't think much of it. But looking back and now hearing what your PD told you, I really can't figure out why this is always "recommended".

 

Even my pro-gun Chief of Police recommended voluntarily registering guns previously purchased or gifted out of state. From their perspective, what is the purpose (other than potential confiscation)? I would never do it, but is there a supposed benefit to the gun owner if he or she is pulled over with the gun in the car?

You know, this is something that I really just don't understand. Before I was a gun owner, my wife and I lived in Northern Virginia (hated the people down there) for a year. A few months before we moved back to NJ, my wife's uncle died and we were unsure whether her aunt was going to give us some of his guns. In the end, she held onto them, but in the meantime I contacted NJSP to ask them what I needed to do to legally move back to NJ with guns from out of state. He told me (correctly) that I need not do anything as long as they were NJ legal, but he "strongly recommended" the voluntary registration. At the time I was only gathering information and was not involved or knowledgeable about 2A rights, so I didn't think much of it. But looking back and now hearing what your PD told you, I really can't figure out why this is always "recommended".

 

Even my pro-gun Chief of Police recommended voluntarily registering guns previously purchased or gifted out of state. From their perspective, what is the purpose (other than potential confiscation)? I would never do it, but is there a supposed benefit to the gun owner if he or she is pulled over with the gun in the car?

 

The only possible benfit in my mind would be that you could prove it's yours very easily in a traffic stop or other situation. However I think the drawbacks outweight the possible benefits.