A Big FUKIN Thank you to the nameless and faceless people that for whatever reason believe that by using Win clean or NT labeled ammo are helping the environment.

Miserable day here at work. No sleep and annoyed. I have been loading ammo for the upcoming season and I have been running into MANY of the eco-friendly brass casings.

My daily average of 600 rounds a day has been cut in half.

Making it worse I have to reset the de-priming pin on the 1st station.

Thank you, you misguided prick.

FWIW, I am just venting a bit.

I cant say that I have run into any of this brass but what is the problem with it? I just want to know what to look for. I load .45 a lot.

The primers are difficult to pop out when reloading. In 45acp, they are actually small primers instead of the normal large primer. In 9mm, they just will not de-prime.

I hate reloading. I find it a necessary chore to facilitate my shooting. But this is really bogging me down.

I have a 60 lb mail mail bin full of 9mm brass, so sorting by hand is not happening.

Ron's explanation came in as I was posting question.

Small primered 45acp might be handy to hold onto. I know some Speer is like that. Large pistol primers are often harder to get than small.

I doubt people go out of their way to buy the stuff. I think its either issued by a department or cheaper somewhere. I cant see anyone spending more to be eco friendly or whatever for ammo

i've found that the primer pockets of these are kinda loose. IT seems the NT primers aren't the same size as normal primers or perhaps the same size but the pockets are slightly larger such that there is excess space that they have to fill with some kinda of cement. When you decap these, some leave the cement shim intact and your primer may seat like normal. Other times, the cement is broken out leaving a loose pocket that new primers that simply won't even grab into. I would usually not notice until i finished that round and it dumped into the bin with no primer effectively becoming a flammable pepper shaker seasoning the rest of the ammo in the hopper. :/ Now i filter those out unconditionally.

BTW, Ronny, how much ammo have you loaded up so far and how much will you hammer out before calling it quits for the season?

I cant say that I have run into any of this brass but what is the problem with it? I just want to know what to look for. I load .45 a lot.

 

Some of the makers of "Clean" ammo actually crimp the primers in. Even after the primer comes out you need to remove the crimp before it can be reloaded.

BTW, Ronny, how much ammo have you loaded up so far and how much will you hammer out before calling it quits for the season?

 

Not enough, and when I run out of powder before the resupply.

Ron, dont you sort through your brass before you reload ?

 

I have some of that speer smpp stuff..

Ron, dont you sort through your brass before you reload ?

 

I have some of that speer smpp stuff..

Nope. Just clean brass, grab enough for the case feed, shot of one shot, and away we go.

Another PITA is the brass or nickel plated steel cases. They look like regular brass or nickel cases but they have Berdan primers. Which means that if you are not careful, you will break your depriming pin. Steel cases can be detected with a magnet or looking into the case. A steel case has two flash holes. Brass and nickel cases are Boxer primed and have one hole.