I’m new to CC and would like your input. I live in a non-permissive state. Our families live throughout a state, starting less than three miles away, that recognizes my non-resistant Fla CCW. Naturally, I would like the security when visiting for dinners, birthdays and the like.

 

I thought about traveling with it properly secured in the unload in trunk w/ammo separate and once cross the line find a place to subtle access it and reverse the procure on the way home– but this doesn’t sound seem good at all.

 

Perhaps I could travel with it secured until I reached a relatives home and a bathroom and then have to reverse the procedure to drive home – this too doesn’t seem too good either L although this is all I could come up with…. other than just leaving it at home.

 

Anybody have a similar situation? How do you handle it? Thanks for you time and thoughts.

Troll???? Ensure you follow all State and Federal Laws when transporting a firearm, (The way almost ALL law abiding firearm owners do). Remember your biggest threat is the non law abiding citizen who carry's anywhere and any way they want. While following ALL state and Federal laws I carry my firearm locked and unloaded. I wear my holster when I leave and place the firearm in the holster when I reach a safe area in a permissave state. I carry in an IWB with loose clothing so it can not be seen.

I’m new to CC and would like your input. I live in a non-permissive state. Our families live throughout a state, starting less than three miles away, that recognizes my non-resistant Fla CCW. Naturally, I would like the security when visiting for dinners, birthdays and the like.

 

Could you be any more general? If you want answers you will need to be a bit more specific, especially since you are newly registered and this is your first post.

 

My question is... Do you really feel insecure when visiting your family for dinners, birthdays, and the like? If you do, I would suggest dropping the CCW notion and finding new family. You are more likely to break more laws going there, then you needing to use a firearm.

 

Further on that...what training do you have to know you can safely defend yourself if something came up? Do you have any practical shooting experience? What concealed carry and self defense in the home courses have you taken?

 

or do you just want to mall ninja because you can?

 

Remember, just because you can buy a Hummer H1 to go get groceries, does not mean you should.

 

 

I thought about traveling with it properly secured in the unload in trunk w/ammo separate and once cross the line find a place to subtle access it and reverse the procure on the way home– but this doesn’t sound seem good at all.

 

If you are uncomfortable with it, don't do it. Keep in mind, in NJ, guns are illegal unless there is an exemption for it.

 

 

Perhaps I could travel with it secured until I reached a relatives home and a bathroom and then have to reverse the procedure to drive home – this too doesn’t seem too good either L although this is all I could come up with…. other than just leaving it at home.

 

How does your family feel about you having a firearm concealed at their home? It is their home.

 

 

Anybody have a similar situation? How do you handle it? Thanks for you time and thoughts.

 

I would really evaluate why you want to conceal carry for 2 hours in what I am assuming is PA, when you go to a family dinner.

 

Beyond this, no one here is going to give you specific advice for a few reasons...

 

1. You are being overly general, and gun laws are very specific.

2. You are a brand new poster, with no introduction post, no one knows you or of you. (It really smells like you could be someone who registered just to get someone to give you bad advice, which can be used to get others in trouble, give gun owners a bad name, and most of all, give me more BS work)

 

My recommendation is for you to post some introductory posts, tell us about yourself, meet a few people off of the forum, show us you are a real, upstanding firearms owner, not a 21 year old mall ninja who just got a FL CCW and now want to go carry a bomb in your pants because it makes you feel better about yourself..

 

See you on the range.

Could you be any more general? If you want answers you will need to be a bit more specific, especially since you are newly registered and this is your first post.

 

My question is... Do you really feel insecure when visiting your family for dinners, birthdays, and the like? If you do, I would suggest dropping the CCW notion and finding new family. You are more likely to break more laws going there, then you needing to use a firearm.

 

Further on that...what training do you have to know you can safely defend yourself if something came up? Do you have any practical shooting experience? What concealed carry and self defense in the home courses have you taken?

 

or do you just want to mall ninja because you can?

 

Remember, just because you can buy a Hummer H1 to go get groceries, does not mean you should.

 

 

 

 

If you are uncomfortable with it, don't do it. Keep in mind, in NJ, guns are illegal unless there is an exemption for it.

 

 

 

 

How does your family feel about you having a firearm concealed at their home? It is their home.

 

 

 

 

I would really evaluate why you want to conceal carry for 2 hours in what I am assuming is PA, when you go to a family dinner.

 

Beyond this, no one here is going to give you specific advice for a few reasons...

 

1. You are being overly general, and gun laws are very specific.

2. You are a brand new poster, with no introduction post, no one knows you or of you. (It really smells like you could be someone who registered just to get someone to give you bad advice, which can be used to get others in trouble, give gun owners a bad name, and most of all, give me more BS work)

 

My recommendation is for you to post some introductory posts, tell us about yourself, meet a few people off of the forum, show us you are a real, upstanding firearms owner, not a 21 year old mall ninja who just got a FL CCW and now want to go carry a bomb in your pants because it makes you feel better about yourself..

 

See you on the range.

Good answer, good answer! +1

_{+1 again for Maksim}

 

_{While this person may have a valid question it has been answered before and not to long ago.}

 

_{One thing that was mentioned in that thread was the gun being legal at the home state as well as the destination state for FOPA to cove you, the other was debates on if CC was a valid enough reason to travel within the boarders of NJ. Other comments were to have a destination of a range in the state you are going to just to be on the safe side and when you are out of NJ technically you can change your mind but how legal it that. To each there own and what chance they want to take being we may not be traveling during the normal operating hours that ranges are open.}

 

_{Just wanted to add a few things from the other thread just in case this isn't a troll post, hey we were all new and myself I still am, and NJ law isn't the friendliest to interpret.}

 

_Harry

 

 

Harry,

 

this is a phenomenal post. It does bring out a very important and necessary question that I do not know if it has been truly addressed in the court of law, and that is the legal purpose for which you are traveling out of state and reason you need a CCW, especially if say going to PA with a FL non-resident CCW.

 

reading PA's laws, it seems as if you need a legitimate reason to be there and CCW, and not just "going to drive to PA to I can CCW".

 

The reason I got my FL CCW is for a few reasons, I now travel to FL a few times a year for work conferences, as well as a few clients. To the same degree, when I visit clients in PA. Even still, I have not yet carried on visits to PA for the above question. In fact, I know that PA issues CCW licenses to non residents that conduct business in PA, and for that reason, I am thinking of also setting up a small satellite office in PA.

I’m new to CC and would like your input. I live in a non-permissive state. Our families live throughout a state, starting less than three miles away, that recognizes my non-resistant Fla CCW. Naturally, I would like the security when visiting for dinners, birthdays and the like.

 

I thought about traveling with it properly secured in the unload in trunk w/ammo separate and once cross the line find a place to subtle access it and reverse the procure on the way home– but this doesn’t sound seem good at all.

 

Perhaps I could travel with it secured until I reached a relatives home and a bathroom and then have to reverse the procedure to drive home – this too doesn’t seem too good either L although this is all I could come up with…. other than just leaving it at home.

 

Anybody have a similar situation? How do you handle it? Thanks for you time and thoughts.

 

I understood your question. I routinely travel to WV through MD. I do just what you described. Pull off the highway before the MD border and dissarm and pack up. Drive 12 miles or whatever, pull into the WV Welcome Center, park in the spots just off the highway (far from the building), reload and rearm. On the way back to PA, same thing. Dissarm and pack in WV, pull into the welcome center in PA (right in front of the building), and hope to scare the crap out of some people from DE while arming back up. (actually DE people are pretty firearm familiar).

 

Only thing is, if you are leaving a gun-unfriendly state, not sure how your travel in that state is considered.

 

This is a phenomenal post. It does bring out a very important and necessary question that I do not know if it has been truly addressed in the court of law, and that is the legal purpose for which you are traveling out of state and reason you need a CCW, especially if say going to PA with a FL non-resident CCW.

 

reading PA's laws, it seems as if you need a legitimate reason to be there and CCW, and not just "going to drive to PA to I can CCW".

 

What are you talking about? With a FL license you can carry in PA any place, open or concealed, for any reason or no reason at all. Except court facilities (they have gun lockers for you), possibly school property (plus the federal 1000 foot school zone since you don't have a license from the state the school is in), detention facilities, casinos (by regulation, not law) and federal government buildings (fed law). Plus I think you have to conceal carry in state parks or something. Doublecheck the list yourself before coming to PA. But you definitely don't need a reason or justification to carry in PA if you are carrying under a license or permit that PA recognizes.

OP can check out the http://www.handgunlaw.us/ site. Has lots of good and up to date information on state by state carry laws, as well as interstate travel information.

In fact, I know that PA issues CCW licenses to non residents that conduct business in PA, and for that reason, I am thinking of also setting up a small satellite office in PA.

 

 

Not sure where you got that, Maks, but it's based on residency, not place of business. To qualify for a PA non-residnet license, you must have a license from your state of residence, if they issue them. NJ has license laws in place, even though they are a defacto no-issue state, which means you would have to have a NJ license before you could qualify for a PA non-resident.

 

In the very near future PA has a new licensing system going into effect, which will require the applicant to come to PA to get their non-resident license. I believe this goes into effect in May. Centre County Sheriff Dennis Nau used to be the "go to" guy for non-resident licenses by mail - no more.

 

Adios,

 

Pizza Bob

Not sure where you got that, Maks, but it's based on residency, not place of business. To qualify for a PA non-residnet license, you must have a license from your state of residence, if they issue them. NJ has license laws in place, even though they are a defacto no-issue state, which means you would have to have a NJ license before you could qualify for a PA non-resident.

 

In the very near future PA has a new licensing system going into effect, which will require the applicant to come to PA to get their non-resident license. I believe this goes into effect in May. Centre County Sheriff Dennis Nau used to be the "go to" guy for non-resident licenses by mail - no more.

 

Adios,

 

Pizza Bob

 

 

Bob, I recall somewhere, either PA forums or somewhere, that if you have a PA business, you can get resident permit. Trying to find the info on it, this was about 2 years ago.

Bob, I recall somewhere, either PA forums or somewhere, that if you have a PA business, you can get resident permit. Trying to find the info on it, this was about 2 years ago.

 

Was it the same guy that told you PA law requires a good reason to CC in PA on a FL license?

Was it the same guy that told you PA law requires a good reason to CC in PA on a FL license?

 

 

No no, to be more clear, the reference o reason, was not for PA, but rather for the NJ side of it... ie, is going to PA reason enough to travel? Dont know. Hey, I never said I was a genius or even right. =)

No no, to be more clear, the reference o reason, was not for PA, but rather for the NJ side of it... ie, is going to PA reason enough to travel? Dont know. Hey, I never said I was a genius or even right. =)

 

I THOUGHT that was what you meant LOL

 

The PA business thing - if it turns out to be true, please let us know. I don't think it matters much. Just gets you the 1000 foot federal school zone law. That's important, don't get me wrong, but everyone seems to think it's something that doesn't come up except in the case of a crime. Hey, if I worked in a state routinely I would try to get their permit for that reason. But, as it is, it's not something I worry about when in other states. I don't plan my routes around school zones or anything, that would be a defacto ban on CC reciprocity in some places. I may be wrong, I may be the fool, but that's how I roll. I certainly wouldn't knowingly drive by a school out of state.

Wow, I’m blown away (no pun intended) by the harsh replies I received to my question. OUCH. No need to reply to this, I’m sure you don’t think it was you. But man, I asked a question …. and well, welcome to New Jersey. ☹ I’ve responded below as a personal catharsis but like I said, no need to reply because I’m withdrawing from your web site. Have fun, I do apologize. I thought this web site would be in favor of the right of law-abiding citizens to legally purchase and own a firearm. I also mistakenly assumed most would be in favor of trained, license responsible adults carry if they so chose. Again, my bad. You’ll be happy to know these replies of yours bothered me because I keep hoping for a “kinder, gentler” world. Silly, me, such is life. I do hope members of this site will start to support the NRA and accept, if not support other gun owners. I’m sure you think you meant will, good luck to you all and as Red Skelton would say, “And may God Bless.”

 

Regarding the suggestion to go to handgun law – I’ve found that only offered information on the law and not really any advise on how to best transition a firearm from store in travel to carried.

 

Remark that with a FL carry you can carry open or concealed. It was my understanding there are many places such as Philadelphia that will consider that “brandishing”. And even if legal, I personal don’t wish to alarm the public.

 

I understood your question. THANK YOU ☺

 

Reading PA's laws, it seems as if you need a legitimate reason to be there and CCW, and not just "going to drive to PA to I can CCW. Odd, I thought from my reading, that once you had a CCW recognized PA you did need a "specific" reason each time you step outside. I can’t think of anytime I simply drive around for no reason, especially with gas prices soaring.

 

While this person may have a valid question it has been answered before and not to long ago. Perhaps, as sentence directing me to where would be been a nice touch as I couldn't find them while searching.

 

For those who won’t respond without superfluous information, the gun in question is legally own and is not being transported “just” because I have a CC permit. As the original post states the travel would be for other reasons, visiting, pleasure, the range, and hunting. I thought NJ indicated you could transport to legal place or legal reason. ok, ok, sorry I asked ☺

 

Just wanted to add a few things from the other thread just in case this isn't a troll post, hey we were all new and myself I still am, and NJ law isn't the friendliest to interpret. THANK YOU ☺

 

Could you be any more general? If you want answers you will need to be a bit more specific, especially since you are newly registered and this is your first post. Sorry, I don’t get it. I wanted advise for transporting legally from NJ to a state that accepts my CCW and then legally the best way to change to carry. Again, sorry, I don’t see what other information is pertinent.

My question is... Do you really feel insecure when visiting your family for dinners, birthdays, and the like? My bad, I can’t see what my security or insecurely has to do with Learning the legal way and best way to do something.

 

I would suggest dropping the CCW notion and finding new family. I understand not everyone is in favor of a legal, trained, responsible citizens right to carry. I surely came to the wrong web site.

 

You are more likely to break more laws going there, then you needing to use a firearm. I was asking about such—what are the laws that I should be aware of –it would be nice to know, even if you feel I don’t need a firearm.

Further on that...what training do you have to know you can safely defend yourself if something came up? Do you have any practical shooting experience? What concealed carry and self-defense in the home courses have you taken? I have an extensive background. But I don’t think you’d believe it and really, the laws and good protocol I was asking input about – what does my other training have to do with this ---I asked because I wanted to learn. BTW I’m 5’7, 168 lbs. does that help?

 

or do you just want to mall ninja because you can? Oh, that’s nice, your way of saying welcome to an experienced shooter I guess.

 

Remember, just because you can buy a Hummer H1 to go get groceries, does not mean you should. And just because someone asks a question doesn’t mean they are totally ignorant.

 

If you are uncomfortable with it, don't do it. Keep in mind, in NJ, guns are illegal unless there is an exemption for it. Yes, but believe it or not there are some people in NJ who have exceptions and actually can jump through all the hoops and make payment and in the end purchase and own a gun…legally…really it happens. And there are some people willing to be a little uncomfortable in order to protect their families and exercise their rights. And sometimes being comfortable or not depends on ones knowledge of the law…that is why I ask questions, study, practice, train and now avoid New Jersey Firearms Forum.

 

How does your family feel about you having a firearm concealed at their home? It is their home. That is a good question. Through out a day a person may be in and out of homes, parking garages, a restaurant etc and there may be guests also in these homes. I'd be interested to hear if responsible experienced people check with other patrons, moviegoers or homeowners before entering to make sure everyone is happy. Some people never even mention that fact that they are carrying and keep it “concealed.” Something to think about. Oh, and my sister & brother in law like it and said actually glad I was when I'm there --- am I now allowed to have someone answer my question?

 

I would really evaluate why you want to conceal carry for 2 hours in what I am assuming is PA, when you go to a family dinner. Sadly, I am yet unable to determine when a crisis will arise. At dinner, getting in or out of the car, at my home or someone else’s, while vacation, shopping etc. Oh, hope some day to be able to do that. In the mean time I’d still like to have tools of preparation with me whenever I can do so legally.

 

Beyond this, no one here is going to give you specific advice for a few reasons...

1. You are being overly general, and gun laws are very specific.

Sorry, I thought is was clear. I was to legal transport a legal firearm to a legal place and carry legally and was simply looking for advise from others on how best to do this and what to avoid. If someone could be more specific as to the specifics necessary to answer this question, that would help.

 

2. You are a brand new poster, with no introduction post, no one knows you or of you. (It really smells like you could be someone who registered just to get someone to give you bad advice, which can be used to get others in trouble, give gun owners a bad name, and most of all, give me more BS work) That’s ironic because the forum replies smelled like fishing to me. I ask a question to be sure I’m being safe and legal and instead of an answer I get asked to give personal information to others I don’t know and who are unwilling to discuss with me. I guess brand new poster are left to go it without the advise of those more experience…what can I say.

 

 

My recommendation is for you to post some introductory posts, tell us about yourself, meet a few people off of the forum, show us you are a real, upstanding firearms owner, not a 21 year old mall ninja who just got a FL CCW and now want to go carry a bomb in your pants because it makes you feel better about yourself. Ok, I can appreciate a recommendation but how do I type and “prove” to you my credentials, after all, I asked a legitimate question and it is assumed I’m a 21-year-old mall ninja who just got a FL CCW and now want to go carry a bomb in your pants. How much information is normally required on this web site to advise someone on what Legal protocol could be recommended. Welcome to the web site, right. ☹

 

Troll???? Actually I didn’t know what that meant until I read these posting. No I’m not a troll, just wanted to do things right, sorry.

Ensure you follow all State and Federal Laws when transporting a firearm, (The way almost ALL law abiding firearm owners do). I would think this would apply to ALL posts from your favorite caliber to what grip you like. ALL law-abiding firearm owners are just that -- law abiding and those who have out of state CCW or ask a question on a web forum are no different.

Wow - way to be thin skinned man. Are you sure you live here? NJ is NOT the most firearms friendly state as you obviously already know. NJ is also the capitol and founder of skepticism and sarcasm - get used to it. If you want kinder/gentler perhaps you should try something a few hundred miles south and west.

 

What are you talking about? With a FL license you can carry in PA any place, open or concealed, for any reason or no reason at all. Except court facilities (they have gun lockers for you), possibly school property (plus the federal 1000 foot school zone since you don't have a license from the state the school is in), detention facilities, casinos (by regulation, not law) and federal government buildings (fed law). Plus I think you have to conceal carry in state parks or something. Double check the list yourself before coming to PA. But you definitely don't need a reason or justification to carry in PA if you are carrying under a license or permit that PA recognizes.

 

The problem is, not for transport in PA or any other state that our FL CCW license is good for, it's more of a question of when traveling in NJ. Basically it like a race to the state line, make it and your good, but while in NJ, you have to obey the law. Some have interpreted the law as you can only travel under the exemptions and from what is written for travel to CCW out of the state really isn't covered in black and white.

 

Like I said, if you are traveling in NJ to a range in PA you are covered for NJ and the other state you are going to. Now when you get to the PA state line you decide not to go to the range, you are now good under FOPA.

 

It's just crazy, and yes I do travel out of state and carry and not to just carry but I have a place I am going and a reason for being there, but after reading more and more about what has happened to people and the grey areas of the laws I'll have addresses to ranges on my route no matter what direction I am going when traveling out on NJ.

 

For instance, I'll be going to a weekend party north of New Orleans on my bike, I'll be legal in every state I go through and have printed copies of each state and possible state I may have to deviate to with me just to be safe.

 

Harry

Wow, I’m blown away (no pun intended) by the harsh replies I received to my question. OUCH. No need to reply to this, I’m sure you don’t think it was you. But man, I asked a question …. and well, welcome to New Jersey. ☹ I’ve responded below as a personal catharsis but like I said, no need to reply because I’m withdrawing from your web site. Have fun, I do apologize. I thought this web site would be in favor of the right of law-abiding citizens to legally purchase and own a firearm. I also mistakenly assumed most would be in favor of trained, license responsible adults carry if they so chose. Again, my bad. You’ll be happy to know these replies of yours bothered me because I keep hoping for a “kinder, gentler” world. Silly, me, such is life. I do hope members of this site will start to support the NRA and accept, if not support other gun owners. I’m sure you think you meant will, good luck to you all and as Red Skelton would say, “And may God Bless.”

 

Regarding the suggestion to go to handgun law – I’ve found that only offered information on the law and not really any advise on how to best transition a firearm from store in travel to carried.

 

Remark that with a FL carry you can carry open or concealed. It was my understanding there are many places such as Philadelphia that will consider that “brandishing”. And even if legal, I personal don’t wish to alarm the public.

 

I understood your question. THANK YOU ☺

 

Reading PA's laws, it seems as if you need a legitimate reason to be there and CCW, and not just "going to drive to PA to I can CCW. Odd, I thought from my reading, that once you had a CCW recognized PA you did need a "specific" reason each time you step outside. I can’t think of anytime I simply drive around for no reason, especially with gas prices soaring.

 

While this person may have a valid question it has been answered before and not to long ago. Perhaps, as sentence directing me to where would be been a nice touch as I couldn't find them while searching.

 

For those who won’t respond without superfluous information, the gun in question is legally own and is not being transported “just” because I have a CC permit. As the original post states the travel would be for other reasons, visiting, pleasure, the range, and hunting. I thought NJ indicated you could transport to legal place or legal reason. ok, ok, sorry I asked ☺

 

Just wanted to add a few things from the other thread just in case this isn't a troll post, hey we were all new and myself I still am, and NJ law isn't the friendliest to interpret. THANK YOU ☺

 

Could you be any more general? If you want answers you will need to be a bit more specific, especially since you are newly registered and this is your first post. Sorry, I don’t get it. I wanted advise for transporting legally from NJ to a state that accepts my CCW and then legally the best way to change to carry. Again, sorry, I don’t see what other information is pertinent.

My question is... Do you really feel insecure when visiting your family for dinners, birthdays, and the like? My bad, I can’t see what my security or insecurely has to do with Learning the legal way and best way to do something.

 

I would suggest dropping the CCW notion and finding new family. I understand not everyone is in favor of a legal, trained, responsible citizens right to carry. I surely came to the wrong web site.

 

You are more likely to break more laws going there, then you needing to use a firearm. I was asking about such—what are the laws that I should be aware of –it would be nice to know, even if you feel I don’t need a firearm.

Further on that...what training do you have to know you can safely defend yourself if something came up? Do you have any practical shooting experience? What concealed carry and self-defense in the home courses have you taken? I have an extensive background. But I don’t think you’d believe it and really, the laws and good protocol I was asking input about – what does my other training have to do with this ---I asked because I wanted to learn. BTW I’m 5’7, 168 lbs. does that help?

 

or do you just want to mall ninja because you can? Oh, that’s nice, your way of saying welcome to an experienced shooter I guess.

 

Remember, just because you can buy a Hummer H1 to go get groceries, does not mean you should. And just because someone asks a question doesn’t mean they are totally ignorant.

 

If you are uncomfortable with it, don't do it. Keep in mind, in NJ, guns are illegal unless there is an exemption for it. Yes, but believe it or not there are some people in NJ who have exceptions and actually can jump through all the hoops and make payment and in the end purchase and own a gun…legally…really it happens. And there are some people willing to be a little uncomfortable in order to protect their families and exercise their rights. And sometimes being comfortable or not depends on ones knowledge of the law…that is why I ask questions, study, practice, train and now avoid New Jersey Firearms Forum.

 

How does your family feel about you having a firearm concealed at their home? It is their home. That is a good question. Through out a day a person may be in and out of homes, parking garages, a restaurant etc and there may be guests also in these homes. I'd be interested to hear if responsible experienced people check with other patrons, moviegoers or homeowners before entering to make sure everyone is happy. Some people never even mention that fact that they are carrying and keep it “concealed.” Something to think about. Oh, and my sister & brother in law like it and said actually glad I was when I'm there --- am I now allowed to have someone answer my question?

 

I would really evaluate why you want to conceal carry for 2 hours in what I am assuming is PA, when you go to a family dinner. Sadly, I am yet unable to determine when a crisis will arise. At dinner, getting in or out of the car, at my home or someone else’s, while vacation, shopping etc. Oh, hope some day to be able to do that. In the mean time I’d still like to have tools of preparation with me whenever I can do so legally.

 

Beyond this, no one here is going to give you specific advice for a few reasons...

1. You are being overly general, and gun laws are very specific.

Sorry, I thought is was clear. I was to legal transport a legal firearm to a legal place and carry legally and was simply looking for advise from others on how best to do this and what to avoid. If someone could be more specific as to the specifics necessary to answer this question, that would help.

 

2. You are a brand new poster, with no introduction post, no one knows you or of you. (It really smells like you could be someone who registered just to get someone to give you bad advice, which can be used to get others in trouble, give gun owners a bad name, and most of all, give me more BS work) That’s ironic because the forum replies smelled like fishing to me. I ask a question to be sure I’m being safe and legal and instead of an answer I get asked to give personal information to others I don’t know and who are unwilling to discuss with me. I guess brand new poster are left to go it without the advise of those more experience…what can I say.

 

 

My recommendation is for you to post some introductory posts, tell us about yourself, meet a few people off of the forum, show us you are a real, upstanding firearms owner, not a 21 year old mall ninja who just got a FL CCW and now want to go carry a bomb in your pants because it makes you feel better about yourself. Ok, I can appreciate a recommendation but how do I type and “prove” to you my credentials, after all, I asked a legitimate question and it is assumed I’m a 21-year-old mall ninja who just got a FL CCW and now want to go carry a bomb in your pants. How much information is normally required on this web site to advise someone on what Legal protocol could be recommended. Welcome to the web site, right. ☹

 

Troll???? Actually I didn’t know what that meant until I read these posting. No I’m not a troll, just wanted to do things right, sorry.

Ensure you follow all State and Federal Laws when transporting a firearm, (The way almost ALL law abiding firearm owners do). I would think this would apply to ALL posts from your favorite caliber to what grip you like. ALL law-abiding firearm owners are just that -- law abiding and those who have out of state CCW or ask a question on a web forum are no different.

 

I'd take a minute to take a breath, step back and maybe re read the posts, maybe even look again the next day. If you frequent forums at all, there are plenty of TROLLS out there and some try and start off with post like these in these type of forums. It's not so bad with the gun forum but Biker forums there are plenty. Like this forum and the people in NJ we arn't always the nicest and are on gard a lot of the time, I guess it just come with growing up here or other have learned from living here for some time.

 

I read the other posts, and while some of us may not have come across with a direct answer to your question or a link to the info, and let me comment on your 1 comment: When someone refereed you to the NJ Laws for Firearms, well thats exactly where we all have gotten our information from, and while there are some on here that really know the law inside and out, any advise you get here is worth what you paid for it. This forum is great for understanding the law or clearing up something that isn't fully in black and while. Nothing in this place is in the form of legal advise.

 

Now you said what you needed to say, there were some digs and many of us are thick skinned and see how you reply. This is a great forum, and there are a lot of really great people in here and I am still learning my way around here but not forums.

 

With that being said, come join the fun, information and lots more here, and like I would put it on my other forum groups that deal with bikes, and I would say: hey you said what you said, there was a miss understanding, we can all show our a** at time, now is the time to see how you you deal with it, balls in your court.

 

Harry

Dude, are you serious? This is New Jersey, we are blessed with our own language and dealing with other people. Lighten up and let's go shootin.

The problem is, not for transport in PA or any other state that our FL CCW license is good for, it's more of a question of when traveling in NJ.

 

Read it again, Harry. He said because of the laws in PA (turns out it was a typo on his part). Unless he editted his post since then.

Read it again, Harry. He said because of the laws in PA (turns out it was a typo on his part). Unless he editted his post since then.

 

Got on a roll and a thought process, I get warmed up and there no stopping me. :icon_e_biggrin: Just ask the Wife and Kid.

 

Harry

It was actually a two for one in one thought. =)

 

Ie. was not sure of if you needed to have a purpose to go to PA, and the other part, if you get stopped in NJ, while traveling to or from, wherever you are going to CCW.

I get the impression English was not the OP's first language, maybe something's getting lost in translation.

What do you know, Thanks for the invite to stay. I thought for sure any reply to my response would have been "good ridence" or worst. Instead, if I get the gest, I was allow to vent, welcome to stay and get use to: hey, that's the way we roll in NJ Fair enough. I promised myself not to come back but my curiosity got the better of me - glad it did.

 

So, everyone, I'll chill / lighten up and hang back a little listening (read).

 

Live, roll and learn, hun

the reality is.. until there is a single case we will really not know.. to my knowledge.. no one has ever been arrested transporting an unloaded handgun from NJ to PA for the sole purpose of carrying self defense..

 

* NJ has well defined laws for transporting a gun from point A in NJ to point B in NJ.. these laws are IMO valid (while in the state) because the state can control where you can and can not bring a gun within its borders...

* the issue with looking only at NJ law when addressing the question of transport to carry in another state is it does not encompass all the variables.. since you are going from NJ to PA (interstate travel) the transportation now becomes a federal issue.. take notice that interstate is defined by the involvement of more than one state, nowhere does it indicate that it must be 3 or more.. simply more than one is the literal definition.

interstate [ˈɪntəˌsteɪt]

adj

(Government, Politics & Diplomacy) between or involving two or more of the states of the US, Australia, etc.

to or into another state

* once one comes to the conclusion that it is an interstate issue of transportation we must then look at federal regulations regarding the transportation of a firearm, and understand and abide by them...

* the Firearm Owners' Protection Act does in part address the interstate transportation of firearms and defines each item clearly...

(1) Qualification: first the gun must be legal to own and carry in the place of origin, and at the destination.. the gut reflex is that this excludes NJ because you can not legally carry a gun in NJ.. but FOPA goes on to qualify that this means it is legal for YOU to have an unloaded cased handgun in a vehicle that is not readily accessible.. since that is the only legal way you can transport a gun in NJ that aspect of FOPA appears to be covered.. since PA recognizes my FL permit the destination appears to be covered as well... people will say "in NJ you HAVE to be going to the places of exemption, or you are breaking the law... and that is why you can never legally get your gun to PA" NJ gun laws are exactly that.. NJ gun laws... there is no sense in writing into NJ law what is acceptable in PA, FL, MA, etc.. the guidelines presented in the law are there for referencing travel within the state.. this is why (agree or not) I firmly believe that FOPA protects you..

(2) Transportation: as stated for FOPA to cover you the gun must be inaccessible to the passenger compartment and the gun must be unloaded.

(3) Intended Use: further for FOPA to qualify the reason for the transportation must be covered by FOPA.. self defense is considered a valid reason (as well as sporting, hunting, etc..)

Assault Manager, sorry if the replies seemed harsh. Please keep in mind that anything we say that seems overly harsh is only because we care very deeply about our firearms, and don't want to provide the Brady Bunch with any new ammunition (pun intended). It just 'cause we care brother. How about a hug?

What do you know, Thanks for the invite to stay. I thought for sure any reply to my response would have been "good ridence" or worst. Instead, if I get the gest, I was allow to vent, welcome to stay and get use to: hey, that's the way we roll in NJ Fair enough. I promised myself not to come back but my curiosity got the better of me - glad it did.

 

So, everyone, I'll chill / lighten up and hang back a little listening (read).

 

Live, roll and learn, hun

 

Good Choice and nice response. Like I said there is a unbelievable amount of information here and a very very good place to learn and meet new people.

 

Harry

Assault Manager, sorry if the replies seemed harsh. Please keep in mind that anything we say that seems overly harsh is only because we care very deeply about our firearms, and don't want to provide the Brady Bunch with any new ammunition (pun intended). It just 'cause we care brother. How about a hug?

 

I don't know about that. I thought the question was very reasonable and was quite surprised by the 'Why do you need a gun?' responses.

 

I carry a gun every day, all the time. Otherwise, it's useless for me to own in the first place. So I do the same thing he was asking about in the original post when I have to travel through places where I can't carry.

the reality is.. until there is a single case we will really not know.. to my knowledge.. no one has ever been arrested transporting an unloaded handgun from NJ to PA for the sole purpose of carrying self defense..

 

* NJ has well defined laws for transporting a gun from point A in NJ to point B in NJ.. these laws are IMO valid (while in the state) because the state can control where you can and can not bring a gun within its borders...

* the issue with looking only at NJ law when addressing the question of transport to carry in another state is it does not encompass all the variables.. since you are going from NJ to PA (interstate travel) the transportation now becomes a federal issue.. take notice that interstate is defined by the involvement of more than one state, nowhere does it indicate that it must be 3 or more.. simply more than one is the literal definition.

 

 

 

 

While I believe that as well...someone pointed out to me Page 8 paragraph B of Revell vs Port Authority...which does mention "third state"...but i'm not sure if it applies as it seems to be Revell's belief not the court's...?

Has anybody in NJ ever been arrested for simply transporting an unloaded handgun to a borther's house to show them a new purchase over lunch? Not sure how one would try to discern such specific events from incomplete media reports or legal records.

Has anybody in NJ ever been arrested for simply transporting an unloaded handgun to a borther's house to show them a new purchase over lunch? Not sure how one would try to discern such specific events from incomplete media reports or legal records.

 

While many of us may have done something similar and we are here to tell about it, from what I understand by letter of law this is not allowed. I will not do this any longer, I did this at the beginning of this year.

 

This is what happened, I was going to pick up a gun I had on order, my brother in-law wanted to go to the gun shop with me and look around being I was going there anyway. Well I got my gun, drove him home and went inside to pick up my daughter that was there with her cousin waiting after a nice day in school. By the way my BIL's house and mine is on the route to my place 1 mile apart from one another. I was there for 5 minutes and went home with the gun and my daughter.

 

Now learning what I know now from the great assistance from this very forum, I did do something that I shouldn't have. I know better now and while it's ridiculous that this is the case in NJ, I will abide by the law to the letter so I don't become an example.

 

As far has hearing about anyone actually be arrested for this, I have not but there is a chance of it happening, how i don't know, it would really have to be a case of being in the wrong place at the wrong time, one of them 1 in a million chance but I'm not going to test the waters on this again.

 

Harry