March 22, 201115 yr I broke it down from the stuff i buy at Cheyenne Outfitters for 9mm and it came out to $10.68 for 9mm Meanwhile i can buy reloads at usaammo.com for $8.45 for 9mm & $15.95 for .45 acp What train did i miss?
March 22, 201115 yr I broke it down from the stuff i buy at Cheyenne Outfitters for 9mm and it came out to $10.68 for 9mm Meanwhile i can buy reloads at usaammo.com for $8.45 for 9mm & $15.95 for .45 acp What train did i miss? Wolf small pistol primers - $25 (plus or minus) per 1000 - ask matt6669 Lead bullets - $52.75 per 1000 plus shipping Dardas Cast Bullets Powder - $84 (I think) from Salomon's for 8 lbs (56,000 grains) of 231
March 22, 201115 yr Joe, what have you priced out? what type of powder, boolits and primers? last i figured it out, went like this... Win 231 1 lb, say 4.5gr per round - 20.00 primers, 1000 - 30.00 safe number boolits - 9mm 124gr FMJ, 1000 - 100.00 $7.14 /50 .14 a round or 142.86 per thousand you should be able to get about 1555 rounds per lb of win 231 (check my math, but roughly 7000gr per 1 lb @ 4.5gr per round) granted, not a whole lot cheaper, but still cheaper. AND this is buying the minimums, worst case. If you buy 8lb powder like Dan said, and buy more boolits and primers at a time, your cost drops. Plus, you never run outta ammo, just make more. brass is pretty much free assuming you saved yours, or grab some from a range.. get the primers for $25/1000 and you drop to $6.89/per 50 for 9mm. usaammo.com has decent prices, but shipping for 1000 rds of 9mm (115gr) is 29.38, so your paying 198.38 delivered for 1000/rds.
March 22, 201115 yr Author Joe, what have you priced out? what type of powder, boolits and primers? Powder- Bulls-eye Bullets- Cheyenne's 115g FMJ Primers- CCI small pistol
March 22, 201115 yr Powder- Bulls-eye Bullets- Cheyenne's 115g FMJ Primers- CCI small pistol How much were each of your components? I bought a lb of bullseye at Davis in NY for $17 and change, and primers should be $30 per 1000 or less - any more and you're getting abused.
March 22, 201115 yr You need to find the sales with discounts and free shipping. Group buys also happen time to time which help with hazmat fees. Buying in bulk also reduces cost. I can generally reload for about 1/3 of cost of store bought ammo. Sometimes cheaper.
March 22, 201115 yr Author Powder- Bulls-eye> $19 Bullets- Cheyenne's 115g FMJ > i wanna say $60-70 for 500 > I can buy 500 reloads for this< Primers- CCI small pistol -> $31
March 22, 201115 yr To maximize the savings, you have to buy in bulk. Buy 5000 primers, 2000+ bullets, 8lbs of powder, etc... The more you buy, the cheaper your reloads become per round. I'm at about .117 cents per round (or $5.84 for 50 rounds, or $116.85 for 1000 rounds) of 9mm JHP. The real big savings is when you load .45 ACP... You can probably load .45 for not much than what it's costing me for 9mm.
March 22, 201115 yr Author To maximize the savings, you have to buy in bulk. Buy 5000 primers, 2000+ bullets, 8lbs of powder, etc... The more you buy, the cheaper your reloads become per round. I'm at about .117 cents per round (or $5.84 for 50 rounds, or $116.85 for 1000 rounds) of 9mm JHP. The real big savings is when you load .45 ACP... You can probably load .45 for not much than what it's costing me for 9mm. Where do you get your stuff from brother?
March 22, 201115 yr To maximize the savings, you have to buy in bulk. Buy 5000 primers, 2000+ bullets, 8lbs of powder, etc... You are thinking way too small....
March 22, 201115 yr Powder- Bulls-eye> $19 Bullets- Cheyenne's 115g FMJ > i wanna say $60-70 for 500 > I can buy 500 reloads for this< Primers- CCI small pistol -> $31 If you bought in bulk you'd pay about: 8lbs of Bullseye: $109 3750 124gr Montana Gold JHP's: $303 Primers (CCI Small Pistol): $145 You save when you buy in bulk.
March 22, 201115 yr Powder- Bulls-eye> $19 Bullets- Cheyenne's 115g FMJ > i wanna say $60-70 for 500 > I can buy 500 reloads for this< Primers- CCI small pistol -> $31 The bullets are whats killing you. Montana Gold $101/1000 http://www.handloads.com/calc/loadingCosts.asp Gets you down to $7.14 / 50 rds
March 22, 201115 yr You are thinking way too small.... ??? How so? If I only expect to shoot 300 or 400 rounds per month those supplies will last me a year...
March 22, 201115 yr Where do you get your stuff from brother? I drove to PA to buy my supplies at a shop. But you can order online at places like Grafs or Midway. You just have to pay the $25 hazmat fee for shipping, plus shipping costs. Either way (in person or online) probably is about even if you consider gas money, sales tax, when driving to a shop.
March 22, 201115 yr OK - 1000 115gr FMJ shipped = $74.00. I shoot a lot of these. If you shoot LRN it's cheaper from Dardas Precision Delta
March 22, 201115 yr Powder- Bulls-eye> $19 Bullets- Cheyenne's 115g FMJ > i wanna say $60-70 for 500 > I can buy 500 reloads for this< Primers- CCI small pistol -> $31 you can get 1000 115fmj delivered for 100.00 from Montana Montana Gold I almost ordered from here this morning, but got side tracked. I'd be happy to split a larger order with you if we can save some $$.
March 22, 201115 yr Author you can get 1000 115fmj delivered for 100.00 from Montana Montana Gold I almost ordered from here this morning, but got side tracked. I'd be happy to split a larger order with you if we can save some $. Bullets = Check * 124gr fmj's Powder = (Solomans?)< My family knows him from ATA shoots> Im not a pro when it come to powder knowledge. I only shoot 9mm & 45acp but it would have to be competition quality Primers > Hazmat ;(
March 22, 201115 yr ??? How so? If I only expect to shoot 300 or 400 rounds per month those supplies will last me a year... My thoughts: - Once you start reloading, you will shoot more. A case of 9mm would last forever it seemed. Now, I just about finished a box of 1,000 primers and I can't believe how fast they went. Once you start reloading, you will shoot more. - Zero bullets, 9mm, 124g, FMJ are about $70 / 1,000 at Roze Distribution but if you buy bulk a Montanna Gold, they are cheaper. - 9mm FMJ and .45ACP both cost me about $7.50 per box. - I can't shoot factory .45ACP anymore because my loads shoot so soft and accurate. Factory ammo hurts it kicks so hard. - The shipping and haz mat fee must be driving up your costs. Get together with other shooters and do group buys. Big savings when you split the haz mat and shipping. You and one friend will cut haz mat and shipping by 50% or $20 per order. - I have used the Dardas 200g SWC in .45ACP and I am satisfied with the price and quality. Finding a SWC in .45ACP is nearly impossible and expensive if you do.
March 23, 201115 yr The bullets are whats killing you. Montana Gold $101/1000 http://www.handloads.com/calc/loadingCosts.asp Gets you down to $7.14 / 50 rds If you buy a case of bullets from them (3750 bullets @ $303) you get an additional 750 bullets for the same price you would pay for 3000.
March 23, 201115 yr yeah the hazmat sucks, BUT, many places charge one hazmat fee no matter what the order is, so get a few people and it becomes small.. I bought my win 231 from solomans, and primers from matt6669. I also bought some small pistol primers in pa that were pretty cheap, no hazmat.. Solomans had zero primers when i was there last, not sure about now.. I also shoot mostly 45acp and 9mm...
March 23, 201115 yr Man some of these numbers are still super high. I'm only on my cell phone but I can reload 9mm 115 gr fmj for 5.50 without trying and .45 avoid lswc for 5.00 both per 50. If I still bought factory ammo I would never shoot and probably would of quit shooting bc of how expensive factory ammo is. Like said already you can easily reload at 1/3rd the cost of factory
March 23, 201115 yr Author Man some of these numbers are still super high. I'm only on my cell phone but I can reload 9mm 115 gr fmj for 5.50 without trying and .45 avoid lswc for 5.00 both per 50. If I still bought factory ammo I would never shoot and probably would of quit shooting bc of how expensive factory ammo is. Like said already you can easily reload at 1/3rd the cost of factory Show me the way please
March 23, 201115 yr Hows the win 231? Win 231 (same as HP38) is a common pistol powder which I like a lot. I load 9mm, .40S&W and sometimes .45ACP. It can be found for a good price when bought in bulk.
March 23, 201115 yr Author My thoughts: - Once you start reloading, you will shoot more. A case of 9mm would last forever it seemed. Now, I just about finished a box of 1,000 primers and I can't believe how fast they went. Once you start reloading, you will shoot more. - Zero bullets, 9mm, 124g, FMJ are about $70 / 1,000 at Roze Distribution but if you buy bulk a Montanna Gold, they are cheaper. - 9mm FMJ and .45ACP both cost me about $7.50 per box. - I can't shoot factory .45ACP anymore because my loads shoot so soft and accurate. Factory ammo hurts it kicks so hard. - The shipping and haz mat fee must be driving up your costs. Get together with other shooters and do group buys. Big savings when you split the haz mat and shipping. You and one friend will cut haz mat and shipping by 50% or $20 per order. - I have used the Dardas 200g SWC in .45ACP and I am satisfied with the price and quality. Finding a SWC in .45ACP is nearly impossible and expensive if you do. Also what powder & recipe are you using for your .45?
March 23, 201115 yr Author Im down to $8.26 / 50 of 45ACPfrom the $14/50 loaded i pay now Bullets > $238/2k shipped http://www.precisiondelta.com/detail.php?sku=B-45-230-FMJ Powder > $116.50/ 8 lbs shipped http://armsandammo.com/proddetail.cfm?CFID=575073&CFTOKEN=23189331&ItemID=71&CategoryID=5&SubCatID=523401 Primers $179 / 5k shipped http://www.luckygunner.com/large-pistol-primers-winchester-5000 Im $3 away from the col.
March 23, 201115 yr Hows the win 231? My preferred powder for 45 acp. 38 spec, 9mm and 40S&W. I also use it for 45 Colt and 357( but not the best choice for magnum loads)
March 23, 201115 yr Author Now i just need $800 to get started...Can i have next years tax return now? lol
March 23, 201115 yr Now i just need $800 to get started...Can i have next years tax return now? lol haha.. I've had zero issues with Win 231. It was a recommended powder from the forum and I'm currently looking to buy more. Now, if you try to rationalize the cost of reloading equipment and and figure that into your costs, forget it.. it will take a while.. The nice part for me is that you can try different loads, like lighter .45acp loads (these are nice to shoot and my wife can handle my 1911 no problems) it also gives me an excuse to hit the basement for an hour or so once in a while and get some peace... between the Wife, Dog, 5 month old and 6 year old, it's nice...
March 23, 201115 yr My thoughts: - - I have used the Dardas 200g SWC in .45ACP and I am satisfied with the price and quality. Finding a SWC in .45ACP is nearly impossible and expensive if you do. Are you saying that 45acp SWC are hard to find and expensive? I beg to differ. Here are the 2 places whose bullets I have been using for the last 8 years. (45acpLSWC) TSM Casting - Jean Verrier, P.O. Box 172, Lavalette, NJ 08735 Phone (732) 830-4966 AND, Penn Bullets (http://www.pennbullets.com/) always has heads, and if you are lucky, they have deals going on. Their prices and heads are pretty good.
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