Hello Everyone,

I just read an news article regarding a local traffic stop in my area for an expired registration. It turns out the guy was 21 and has an AR15 in his car which did not meet the NJ requirements and he has now been arrested and is looking at $25,000 in bail. Wow! I know he broke the law by not complying with NJ laws for firearms but does anyone think this is a bit excessive? However, there were a few flags which went up with this case since he was transporting the firearm at 3:00 in the morning. The gun was unloaded and locked in the trunk.

 

http://www.nj.com/gloucester-county/index.ssf/2011/06/expired_registration_stop_lead.html

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Hello Everyone,

I just read an news article regarding a local traffic stop in my area for an expired registration. It turns out the guy was 21 and has an AR15 in his car which did not meet the NJ requirements and he has now been arrested and is looking at $25,000 in bail. Wow! I know he broke the law by not complying with NJ laws for firearms but does anyone think this is a bit excessive? However, there were a few flags which went up with this case since he was transporting the firearm at 3:00 in the morning. The gun was unloaded and locked in the trunk.

 

http://www.nj.com/gloucester-county/index.ssf/2011/06/expired_registration_stop_lead.html

 

Now how the hell would a traffic stop for an expired registration result in a look see in the trunk? This is why you keep your mouth shut at traffic stops.

Unbelievable...these laws need to be changed what difference does a bayo lug or 4 inches of adjustability really make...it isn't like the gun becomes more dangerous...time to look for employment elsewhere

Wait now, bayonets are illegal ?! I've been shooting and transporting my mosin nagant with the bayonet lately .

Wait now, bayonets are illegal ?! I've been shooting and transporting my mosin nagant with the bayonet lately .

 

A bayonet LUG is one of the "evil features" for Semi-automatic firearms. You're G2G with a Mosin.

A bayonet LUG is one of the "evil features" for Semi-automatic firearms. You're G2G with a Mosin.

 

 

 

Sooooo......

 

Having a bayonet on = legal.

 

having the option = illegal

 

 

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Anyway, This is ludicrous. But i'd still like to know how you go from a traffic stop to searching the trunk of the car. Unless he was doing something else wrong( Drugs? ) and searched the whole vehicle.

 

Or he came out and said , btw i have a rifle in my trunk?

Hello Everyone,

I just read an news article regarding a local traffic stop in my area for an expired registration. It turns out the guy was 21 and has an AR15 in his car which did not meet the NJ requirements and he has now been arrested and is looking at $25,000 in bail. Wow! I know he broke the law by not complying with NJ laws for firearms but does anyone think this is a bit excessive? However, there were a few flags which went up with this case since he was transporting the firearm at 3:00 in the morning. The gun was unloaded and locked in the trunk.

 

http://www.nj.com/gl..._stop_lead.html

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What does the time of day have to do with anything? I belong to 24 hour range. Also the FID card allows you to transport a long arm anytime. Handguns have stricter transportation rules.

 

 

Justin got in trouble because the features are illegal.

 

 

 

Justin got in trouble because the features are illegal.

 

Justin agreed to a search or gave the cop cause to search.

 

Now NJ will forbid him from forever having a firearm again for something that's completely legal 50 miles to the west.

Hey guys, this is serious! A collapsing stock(market) is killing the economy!

 

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Sorry for my ignorance. Is it true when you say you can legally keep a long gun in your trunk anytime you want as long as you have a FID? I know the rules are different for handguns, but didn't know it was not the same for Long guns.

Unloaded long guns are legal to keep in your trunk, FID or not. As long as you aren't a prohibited person and the gun is NJ legal

Now how the hell would a traffic stop for an expired registration result in a look see in the trunk? This is why you keep your mouth shut at traffic stops.

Late night stop, young 21 year old kid, cops have a tendency to pick on the young and uninformed... I have been searched for no good reason and had my rights blatantly violated, nothing will stop them from searching your vehicle if they want to, your either screwed or you follow the law and get screwed either way.

 

He may actually be able to get out of this.... If the firearm was in the trunk, the police have no right to enter non passenger compartments with out a warrant, or finding something incriminating with in a passenger compartment...

Unloaded long guns are legal to keep in your trunk, FID or not. As long as you aren't a prohibited person and the gun is NJ legal

 

If you don't have a purchaser ID, ANY gun must fall within the exemptions of to/from Home/Range/Business you own/Gun smith or hunting.

 

If you do have a purchaser ID, you may have a long gun in your trunk anywhere it is legal as the exemptions do not apply.

 

Handguns must ALWAYS fall within the exemptions unless you have a carry permit which excludes pretty much everyone but LEOs.

Unloaded long guns are legal to keep in your trunk, FID or not. As long as you aren't a prohibited person and the gun is NJ legal

 

 

Interesting. So let's say I have my FID card and I keep an unloaded legal 12-Gauage shot gun in my trunk. If there was a legitimate situation where I had to defend my life and I had some ammo in the glove-compartment box. Would I legally be able to protect myself by loading the shot gun and use it. Again, assuming a legally life threatening situation?

Actually I'm from the next town over and that gun is legal 5 miles west. East Greenwich cops are rough. Deff a ticket happy town

Interesting. So let's say I have my FID card and I keep an unloaded legal 12-Gauage shot gun in my trunk. If there was a legitimate situation where I had to defend my life and I had some ammo in the glove-compartment box. Would I legally be able to protect myself by loading the shot gun and use it. Again, assuming a legally life threatening situation?

No, because your not actually legally allowed to load it....sucks. Once it's loaded its considered illegal.

You can hit them with it

No, because your not actually legally allowed to load it....sucks. Once it's loaded its considered illegal.

 

 

Thanks for the clarification.

 

So what's the figgen point of keeping it in the car. I mean really, how pathetic is that.

Interesting. So let's say I have my FID card and I keep an unloaded legal 12-Gauage shot gun in my trunk. If there was a legitimate situation where I had to defend my life and I had some ammo in the glove-compartment box. Would I legally be able to protect myself by loading the shot gun and use it. Again, assuming a legally life threatening situation?

 

no youd be a terrorist

No, because your not actually legally allowed to load it....sucks. Once it's loaded its considered illegal.

 

Ever read Catch 22? Because it sounds a lot like that. BTW, if I had my shotgun with me (which I usually don't), and found myself in a legitimately life-threatening situation, like being confronted by a hostile, rioting mob, I might take a chance and use it. Just sayin'.

 

Oh, and BTW, what's the deal about collapsible stocks? What is it about them that makes them an "evil feature"?

 

 

Oh, and BTW, what's the deal about collapsible stocks? What is it about them that makes them an "evil feature"?

Because NJ say's so....

Because they move a whole 3-4 inches

Just like bayonet lugs are evil, you know cause of all those people out there getting killed by drive-by bayonetings

The officer probably asked him if there are any drugs or weapons in the car and he said yes, a rifle in the trunk. I doubt he would blurt out that he was carrying a rifle without being asked, but then again, for some reason a lot of people get really nervous during traffic stops and just start blabbing.

 

I've seen things like that happen numerous times.

now we have the test case about collapsible stocks and bayonets on sporting rifles, because everyone knows that the definition of assault rifle is one the fires fully automatic. an ar15 is just an armorlite rifle model 15 built for sporting purposes.

If this kid is clean, I hope gun right organizations jump all over this and turn it into a 2A constitutional battle over NJ's AWB

 

Otherwise, lets hope to see more jury nullification.

The officer probably asked him if there are any drugs or weapons in the car and he said yes, a rifle in the trunk. I doubt he would blurt out that he was carrying a rifle without being asked, but then again, for some reason a lot of people get really nervous during traffic stops and just start blabbing.

 

I've seen things like that happen numerous times.

 

Yup, Just STFU. Just keep responding with other questions like "why would you ask me that", etc. Push comes to shove if they insist on searching the car... , "i do not consent to any searches". According to Terry, they can only search the compartment area in immediate access of the driver without a warrant.

Now how the hell would a traffic stop for an expired registration result in a look see in the trunk? This is why you keep your mouth shut at traffic stops.

 

I imagine he did the lawful thing, and declare that he had a firearm in the trunk. Funny too because he was transporting it in the legal manner, which to me indicates he probably wasn't planning on misusing the firearm. After all, when committing a crime, one would want to get in, and get it over with ASAP. Which means not following proper protocol such as unloading it, keeping stuff separate, putting it in the trunk, and having it bagged up (or in a case, whatever). Speaking of which, I'm buying a Mauser, and I have a K98 bayonet, does that make my bolt action rifle an assault arm? XD (Just kidding, but you never know in this state XD)

Numerous people go to great lengths to ensure they are NJ legal with their AR15. This kid did not. I'll wait to hear more facts on the case before jumping to conclusions.

I imagine he did the lawful thing, and declare that he had a firearm in the trunk. Funny too because he was transporting it in the legal manner,

 

There is no duty to declare you are transporting firearms, so why would reporting it be lawful?

 

As to the transport, did he have a Firearms Purchaser ID? If not, was he traveling to a range or home because if he wasn't he was not legal.

 

As to your Mauser, a bayonet on a bolt gun doesn't make it an assault weapon.