Gold PBA shields are not a pass as discussed on this board. I have badges in all my cars because my realtives are LEO's. I never pull out a PBA card and my relatives say that I am stupid and they are police officers. I never look for a pass. A police oficer is going to enforce the law at his DISCRETION. It is so funny, I was travelling back with my friend and he is a detective and he said when he worked in traffic, he would only ticket cars at 90 mph and above. He said alot of tickets will get downgraded and at that speed limit, it would downgrade to 1-15 mph ticket. Anything over 5 mph would downgrade to a seatbelt. So, againg it is disecretion. One of friends is a Captain and he went to a motor vehicle stop to speak with the drunk driver who was a daughter of a chief in another town. He offered to have her father pick her up. She called him the "N" word and he gave her the tickets and locked her a** up. So, I don'y think it is the card, badge or wallet badge. It is the cop and discretion. Just my $.02

 

some/most Officers take great offense when a card is turned down, i've seen the pissing matches first hand over no front plate tickets. However, insults will get you no where no matter what. We're not talking about downsizing offenses were talking about neglecting them all together. Also the discretion of the officer when presented with a PBA card/shield will always take priority over the offense, i've personally been a apssenger in a car traveling 90mph out of the Lincoln tunnel pulled over, pba cards presented and a have a nice day. I commend officers who look at them as nothing more then a piece of paper. The fact is if an officer turns down a card, he will most likely get a phone call of some sort asking why he gave the ticket... as if he's supposed to just let people break the law.

some/most Officers take great offense when a card is turned down, i've seen the pissing matches first hand over no front plate tickets. However, insults will get you no where no matter what. We're not talking about downsizing offenses were talking about neglecting them all together. Also the discretion of the officer when presented with a PBA card/shield will always take priority over the offense, i've personally been a apssenger in a car traveling 90mph out of the Lincoln tunnel pulled over, pba cards presented and a have a nice day. I commend officers who look at them as nothing more then a piece of paper. The fact is if an officer turns down a card, he will most likely get a phone call of some sort asking why he gave the ticket... as if he's supposed to just let people break the law.

 

agreed

100% of the time I see a giant gold badge suction cupped to the front window of a car they are driving like complete asshats. Usually in an Escalade.

 

I got out of my way to drive slowly in front of them.

 

It's fun.

 

Heck yeah it's fun!

 

And if those morons fly up on my arse when I'm already going 5mph I am NOT afraid to give them a brake check! My trailer hitch leaves a perfect round circle impression in the front of most cars, ask me how I know!

Exactly my thought. I am offended that these badges exist at all, I'm quite serious about that. I am full of contempt for anyone that carries one.

 

It exists for no other reason than to be "more equal than others" and that's complete BS. My brother is a Deputy and even when he and I lived in the same state, I wouldn't carry his card because I believe that justice should be blind. I'm against traffic enforcement as it is in the USA today with our ridiculously low speed limits but I really have an issue with people who believe they are above the laws as written.

Oh well..sucks to be me i guess..

Oh well..sucks to be me i guess..

 

Why do you need a PBA badge when you have a real badge?? Akin to carrying an airsoft gun when you can carry a real gun...

And the ironic thing is most LEO will not break the motor vehicle driving laws when off duty.

=Dave

 

I for one can say that I have many family members and friends that are Troopers and they are the scariest drivers out there. I am good friends with over 15 of them. They forget that they are in their normal car and not the "unit." (the best term of all time ) Many cops that I know really dont give a damn about traffic laws when they are off duty.

 

and KPD- YOU GOT A MAJOR +1 MAN... We need more cops like you!!!!

Oh well..sucks to be me i guess..

 

My derision doesn't apply to LEO themselves. It's their poof haired, heavily makeup'd, bejeweled trophies that drive the Escalades to the mall that I'm in contempt of.

 

That said, what's the point of you having it anyway? Your real badge is enough to ensure that only the most egregious violation of traffic statutes will be punishable and even then not always.

I like to think of those gold badges as the "douche bag alert" It's a nice, easy way to spot the douche bag. They're usually driving something gaudy and overly obnoxious, typically made by Infiniti or Volkswagen.

 

You know, like that giant, goofy 14-seat Infiniti truck that rarely has more than a single occupant, typically some cop's wife, and of course because she's practically driving a CDL vehicle it's no doubt parked so jacked up it's occupying three spaces outside the supermarket.

 

Or maybe it's the little VW Golf Cart, which, of course, has the factory muffler chopped off and a coffee can welded in it's place, so that little itty bitty 1.4l "racing" engine can draw everyone's attention to the ed hardy-clad douche bag and his big stupid gold badge that his security guard buddy whose brother is a cop gave him.

 

And, last but not least, in the window of a ten-plus year old BMW/Mercedez with 175k miles on it, driven by someone who clearly does not have the money to afford such a car in any sort of its typical life, so they buy one that's beat to death and running on its last breath for 5 grand so that they can tell all their idiot friends in the hood that they "drive a Benzo and they cuzin's a cop."

 

Did I miss anything?

Did I miss anything?

 

 

Yea,,, What do you drive???

 

Harry

Wow...another thinly veiled Cop bashing thread on NJGF...who'd a thunk it....

I for one can say that I have many family members and friends that are Troopers and they are the scariest drivers out there. I am good friends with over 15 of them. They forget that they are in their normal car and not the "unit." (the best term of all time ) Many cops that I know really dont give a damn about traffic laws when they are off duty.

 

and KPD- YOU GOT A MAJOR +1 MAN... We need more cops like you!!!!

 

++++1 I have ridden with a lot of retired officers and they drive as though there are no laws.

 

 

 

TC

I look at this with a mixed opinion. I have gotten out of tickets for being in uniform and having an officer use his descreation for minor violations isn't a problem for me. I do not feel it should be a get out of jail free card.

 

On the other hand in my job I have LEOs asking for favors all the time because they are on the job. "I'm a cop can my family cut the line", or "I don't have to follow your regulations I'm on the job" They tend to expect favors or special considerstion for what job they have, I guess it can carry over to the family.

 

LEO to LEO now is a different story, try to bring a gun on a plane your get arrested unless your a cop, Then you walk the PAPD will call some one to come pick it up or allow you to check it under the plane.

 

How many board memebers forget where they put one of their guns? Police seem to do it alot. "Oh I forgot it was in the bag", really! and they GIVE you a gun.

 

 

 

TC

 

 

 

How many board memebers forget where they put one of their guns? Police seem to do it alot.

 

I do it quite a bit. I have to check my luggage bags to make sure there are no guns in them before I pack to fly just like everybody else. I often have little handguns (not for defensive purposes) in the outer pockets that can be missed without a very thorough feeling around through all corners.

 

Do I qualify for a pension now?

FYI once a year the PBA will notify their members to remove their PBA shield so they can catch the fake ones.

Also you need to have the little yellow card that has the serial of the shield and the name/ batch number of the officer that the shield was issued.

What is the point of that gold badge in the window anyway?

 

Is that the leave me alone, I am above the law?

 

Why should a LEO pull-over someone breaking the law and be given a free pass just because the person they pulled-over is an LEO or family member?

 

Sounds like more entitlement to me, just like policitians and lawyers................

there are also a lot of those small courtesy badges for sale on ebay....they kinda work the same way, although a real PBA card or badge will have the name, badge number , precinct and phone number of the PO who gave it on the back...

What is the point of that gold badge in the window anyway?

 

Is that the leave me alone, I am above the law?

 

Yes.

 

It's simply corruption that needs to be stamped out.

Heck yeah it's fun!

 

And if those morons fly up on my arse when I'm already going 5mph I am NOT afraid to give them a brake check! My trailer hitch leaves a perfect round circle impression in the front of most cars, ask me how I know!

 

Are you hogging the left lane?

 

I don't 'gate people unless they are either, a) causing a clusterf*ck by not keeping up with traffic flow or b) refuse to yield to faster traffic in the left lane when moving over is possible. Which, btw is a traffic violation in its own right. No matter how fast you are going, that is a separate issue.

 

Blue1

I don't 'gate people unless they are either, a) causing a clusterf*ck by not keeping up with traffic flow or b) refuse to yield to faster traffic in the left lane when moving over is possible. Which, btw is a traffic violation in its own right. No matter how fast you are going, that is a separate issue.

Two wrongs don't make a right. a and b are both your problem. If one is going the speed limit in the left lane, they are within the law. (if not possible to move over). One can not speed or tailgate no matter the circumstances.

Two wrongs don't make a right. a and b are both your problem. If one is going the speed limit in the left lane, they are within the law. (if not possible to move over). One can not speed or tailgate no matter the circumstances.

 

I specifically mentioned, "if moving to the right is possible", geez, read what I wrote, and try to reply without the spin.

 

And you are correct, as*holes that refuse to move right when possible ARE my problem if I want to pass, but that doesn't excuse their lawbreaking, so that "two wrongs don't make a right" comment you made cuts both ways and applies to left lane d*cks, too.

 

Police need to enforce keep right laws, and they don't. They wouldn't have to if speed limits in this state were reasonable, that is why police routinely allow traffic up to eighty MPH on some highways.

 

Hey, don't get me wrong, I get PO'd when someone 'gates me if we are in traffic, I'm keeping up, and there is no where else to go. I usually, but not always, travel at the highest speed I believe is safe to travel, once that criteria is established, then my personal limit is how fast I can go without getting cited. Sometimes I find someone 'gating me and realize I wasn't keeping up or otherwise not paying as much attention as I should to the task...when that happens, I feel humbled and apologetic and move over for them (and let them run interference for me if I am comfortable travelling at their speed), I don't throw a hissy fit and clog up the road for everyone behind me that have places to go, things to do and people to meet.

 

Blue1

Paul

i dont know if you saw this video

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKOJJzMDHjI&NR=1

Two wrongs don't make a right. a and b are both your problem. If one is going the speed limit in the left lane, they are within the law. (if not possible to move over). One can not speed or tailgate no matter the circumstances.

Paul

i dont know if you saw this video

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKOJJzMDHjI&NR=1

 

That's funny on the surface, but that driver should've have been ticketed. Failure to Keep Right.

That's funny on the surface, but that driver should've have been ticketed. Failure to Keep Right.

 

 

 

as should the officer..... at the very least...

as should the officer..... at the very least...

I don't think the officer did anything wrong, put that grandma in the right lane where she belongs!

 

I am and will always be a true believer of "keep Right Pass left". We don't need people swinging into the right lanes just to go around someone when they can cruize up one lane. People like to sit in the left lane for some retarded reason. In fact when i see no one on the road and someone sitting in the left lane and refuses to get over i have no choice but to sit behind them and flash my lights and honk my horn, passing on the right is illegal. The autoban is specifically set up this way to minimize accident ride the left lane and use your left blinker to signal those in front to either speed up or get out of the way.

 

Besides, a good radar detector works better then any gold badge in the window.

 

I guarantee that most drivers dont even know they can get a ticket for sitting in the left lane. If i was a cop, i would pull people over more for this and failing to use blinkers. If you have ever seen the movie "shoot em up" the best scene is when he gets pissed at the guy for not using blinker..

In fact when i see no one on the road and someone sitting in the left lane and refuses to get over i have no choice but to sit behind them and flash my lights and honk my horn

I refuse to do that. I pass them on the right, get in front of them, and slow down to 10mph UNDER the speed limit.....they ALWAYS get the point. This is in fact what I will do if there's nobody else behind them.

If I am on the Parkway and doing 80-85 and some A-hole starts tailgating, screw him. I am already doing 20 or 30 (they made it 55 by me nowadays) over the speed limit. If that's not fast enough too bad. He flashes his lights behind me.... brake check time. Some lady did that to me on RT 18 once, I brake checked her so hard she flew into the grass.

 

Cmon 20 or 30 mphs over isn't fast enough?

In the immortal words of George Carline, Everyone that drives slower than you in a-hole and everyone that drives faster is a maniac.

If I am on the Parkway and doing 80-85 and some A-hole starts tailgating, screw him. I am already doing 20 or 30 (they made it 55 by me nowadays) over the speed limit. If that's not fast enough too bad. He flashes his lights behind me.... brake check time. Some lady did that to me on RT 18 once, I brake checked her so hard she flew into the grass.

 

Cmon 20 or 30 mphs over isn't fast enough?

 

That's usually how I feel. But then once in a while, I think to myself, I'm already breaking the speed limit, who am I to criticize or judge someone else for wanting to break the speed limit at a couple more MPH's than me? Isn't that a case of the pot calling the kettle black?

Ehh, i'm no looking to ruin anyone's day, just piss them off. But tailgaters always get the break check.

Its more fun, when you have manual trans, to drop couple gears(from 5th ->3rd) and let go the gas pedal. They will learn a fast lesson on how to brake.

But when you do this be ready to accelerate cause some of them are so dumb that they will rear end you.

 

 

If I am on the Parkway and doing 80-85 and some A-hole starts tailgating, screw him. I am already doing 20 or 30 (they made it 55 by me nowadays) over the speed limit. If that's not fast enough too bad. He flashes his lights behind me.... brake check time. Some lady did that to me on RT 18 once, I brake checked her so hard she flew into the grass.

 

Cmon 20 or 30 mphs over isn't fast enough?