This thread has been incomprehensibly stupid for a while now, with much of the credit going to Ray.

This thread has been incomprehensibly stupid for a while now, with much of the credit going to Ray.

 

I know, can't explain it. Maybe just looking for an argument to pass the time. The forum has gotten a little bland lately.

I know, can't explain it. Maybe just looking for an argument to pass the time. The forum has gotten a little bland lately.

 

Little bit. Time for a Fort Dix or Central Jersey outing then.

IMO stating HK's are the best firearms is just an opinion. Everyone use a gun for there own use. I would like to see statistics and then we can talk.

 

I think they make great guns, I think the valley they have put into the trigger guard on the p30 sucks.

Let's bring this back on topic. If you must "hate on Sigs", hate them for their marketing philosophy - which seems to be, "Bring it to market, even if it's not ready/complete." Or, delay it until any advantage is lost.

 

The P250 was/is a brilliant concept, the brilliance of which was mostly negated by the abominiable marketing strategy. Here was a pistol with something unique in the market - its modularity. The ability to switch frame sizes and calibers easily. This cried out for some "packaged" marketing, much like the Dan Wesson Pistol-Paks. One fire-control module and multiple grip frames and/or top ends. What do we get instead: They introduce it with only the 9mm Compact version available - no other accessories or calibers. Those components are still dribbling their way into the market, but the impact was lost long ago.

 

They tend to overhype new products, build a huge desire for them in the marketplace, and then not follow-through with a timely introduction. The epitome of marketing is timing. It doesn't matter how good your product is, if you can't/won't "strike while the iron is hot".

 

They do this repeatedly. The P238 was shown in an all-nitron finish and it was stated that night sights were available. I wanted that exact configuration. I ordered one - never happened. That was over two years ago and they are just now available. How hard is it to install night sights? They sold the all-nitron with regular sights (although not many), but night sights? Just recently.

 

How about the 716. Not sure that is even out yet.

 

Currently I am waiting on a "Traditional Model" 1911 in 9mm. These were announced, along with the balance of the Traditional line, back in January. Again, Traditional models have been dribbling into the market, one model variation at a time. The 9mm and .40 S&W have yet to be seen. Think of the marketing impact they would have enjoyed had they introduced (and by that I mean made available for sale) the entire line at one time, as a celebration of the 1911's centennial. Instead they lose any leverage by being lost in a sea of 1911 intros by various other manufacturers.

 

Then there was the ill-fated introduction of the GSR line of 1911's back in 2006. They wanted to differentiate themselves by giving the 1911 more of a "Sig look". Apparently they cared more about this than giving the public a gun that worked. The first generation were a conglomeration of high quality 1911 parts, but they found that the sum of the parts isn't necessarily greater than the whole.

 

So they tend to swing from one extreme to the other: Rushing a product to market before it;s ready; or, teasing the public with pictures and info of a new product and then never deliver, or at least delay it so long that it has the same effect.

 

Part of these problems you have to lay at the feet of their marketing department, but the bulk of the blame has to go to the CEO. The marketing guys don't make unilateral decisions about when to announce and when to introduce - they follow the direction of the CEO.

 

So, don't hate the product (once it actually makes it to market). Hate the way they market them. Many companies do far better jobs. As I said, it's timing - it's not rocket science.

 

Adios,

 

Pizza Bob

I actually had to check the "Diamond Plate" was legit. It looks so cheesy I thought it was photo shopped. It's a shame they have watered down the company image so much. When you read the CEO came over from Kimber it all makes sense. Kimber was the first manufacturer to really promote custom guns and then gun of the month. Then Kimber started every kind of custom gun so when you see where the new CEO of Sig did in the past these results are expected.

Little bit. Time for a Fort Dix or Central Jersey outing then.

 

December?

December?

that sounds good. it gives people plenty of notice.if it's at range 14 someone else will have to organize it because I let my membership expire when I joined central jersey .

that sounds good. it gives people plenty of notice.if it's at range 14 someone else will have to organize it because I let my membership expire when I joined central jersey .

 

Good, it's easier to get people into R14 than Central Jersey.