My friend went in to the Paterson PD today to apply for his FID.

The officer gave him the forms, but said that they would let him

know if it was even worth getting fingerprinted since he had some

points on his license. When he asked why the officer responded,

"Well if you can't control a vehicle properly than how can you

control a firearm?"

 

Uh... WTF is that all about?! I mean correct me if I'm wrong, but

I don't think your driving record has any bearing on your ability

to legally own a firearm unless you were involved in some kind of

vehicular homicide.

 

Am I wrong here?

As far as I know, that isn't a disqualifier. I live in Paterson too. Luckily I've never had to deal with that. If they refuse to issue permits to your friend, have him call the firearms division of the NJ state police and describe the situation. That should straighten things out.

Was it DUI/DWI related or just speeding/moving violations?

 

Driving record is not a disqualifier.

Sounds like your friend has moral character issues if the cop handing him his application knows how many points he has on his licence and feels he would be unsafe handling firearms without investigating him.

Is a drivers license actually required in the first place to obtain a FID. I know we always have to match FID and DL when doing a transaction but what about an older person who may no longer have there DL or what if the live in a city that they use PT and don't drive. Would they be denied there 2A rights. I would think a State ID other than a DL would be sufficient.

Double post. Sorry.

that Cop is a douchebag. End of story. Tell your buddy to contact State Police if Paterson screws with him. After that comes hiring a lawyer, unfortunately.

Is a drivers license actually required in the first place to obtain a FID. I know we always have to match FID and DL when doing a transaction but what about an older person who may no longer have there DL or what if the live in a city that they use PT and don't drive. Would they be denied there 2A rights. I would think a State ID other than a DL would be sufficient.

 

A Government issued Photo ID is what is required to purchase a firearm. We say DL because 99% of purchases have one.

If Paterson denies then you have to appeal and go to county court. It is not a disqualifier but a judge will have to grant the appeal.

thats why the murder rate is sooo high in Paterson!

...bc only the scumbags have guns!

 

cough one up to Pascrell, he showed his true colors y-day @ the HR822 hearing!

Tell your friend just to not be a complete ahole towards him. The det. screws with everyone, he will get it just takes a long time. he comes off strong like you cant get this, but he knows his laws and what he can and can't do. He will let me apply for 20pp if I want. Even though likely to use he knows he can't deny it.i wouldn't take it personal, just do the paperwork and return it during his crappy office hours.

Tell your friend just to not be a complete ahole towards him. The det. screws with everyone, he will get it just takes a long time. he comes off strong like you cant get this, but he knows his laws and what he can and can't do. He will let me apply for 20pp if I want. Even though likely to use he knows he can't deny it.i wouldn't take it personal, just do the paperwork and return it during his crappy office hours.

 

It sucks when you have to put up with someone that can get away with abusing the authority of his office.

Honestly once you get your id hes not bad. I walk in give him the paperwork and he says ill cal you in a few weeks. If I cal him first I can even leave me paperwork under his door and he takes care of it. He comes off mean but really isn't a bad guy.

According to the NJSP Guide a DL check is part of the investigation, but only as it applies to DUI/DWI....

 

 

Adios,

 

Pizza Bob

According to the NJSP Guide a DL check is part of the investigation, but only as it applies to DUI/DWI....

 

 

Adios,

 

Pizza Bob

 

Hey Bob,

Can I get a copy of that document it looks like a good read.

It sucks when you have to put up with someone that can get away with abusing the authority of his office.

 

You can always try annoying the crap out of yoru town council about the behavior of the people doing this job. Depends if your town is structured in a manner where you can actually annoy them properly.

Thanks for the replies. No they are not DUIs, just points for moving

violations. Not that many either, maybe 5 points, and they were about

five years ago (NJ takes away 2 every year if you get no violations within

that year).

 

Is a drivers license actually required in the first place to obtain a FID. I know we always have to match FID and DL when doing a transaction but what about an older person who may no longer have there DL or what if the live in a city that they use PT and don't drive. Would they be denied there 2A rights. I would think a State ID other than a DL would be sufficient.

 

That's what I was saying. I don't think you have to have a Driver's License for an FID.

You could have a valid passport and that should be sufficient no?

 

Sounds like your friend has moral character issues if the cop handing him his application knows how many points he has on his licence and feels he would be unsafe handling firearms without investigating him.

 

More like the cop is assuming he has moral character issues and would be unsafe handling a firearm based upon the points he has on his license.

thats why the murder rate is sooo high in Paterson!

...bc only the scumbags have guns!

 

cough one up to Pascrell, he showed his true colors y-day @ the HR822 hearing!

 

Ain't it the goddamn truth? I hate the fact that I have friends in other cities that can walk around at night time without feeling like they need anything to protect themselves, but here I sometimes feel like I'd have to carry in the daytime too!

As long as you don't have DUI's then you're fine I think. A buddy of mine just got his FID, has about 26pts on his license and plenty of suspensions in the past ~10yrs, they didn't even question his driving record.

The only thing in your driving history that could be grounds for denial would be multiple DUIs.

According to the NJSP Guide a DL check is part of the investigation, but only as it applies to DUI/DWI....

 

 

Adios,

 

Pizza Bob

 

 

I love the "each should be evaluated on his merits" part.