makes sense, he is backing Romney as prez....I like Christie, but i wish he was not backing a RHINO Rino

 

CC is a Rino too, fixed it for you. The only thing that continues to amaze me is he is the golden boy of the Republican Party? what for, it’s not because he is a Second Amendment guy and that is what this is about. He goes on TV and all these phony conservative azz holes want to kiss his ring. Someone above asked would we rather have Corzine, I would ask what’s the difference? The answer is NONE, my taxes are the same and I don’t see ANY pro-gun incentives moving forward. The only reason he got voted in was because Corzine wasn’t even liked by the Dems.

 

The truth of the matter is there isn’t any difference between a NJ Republicans and NJ Democrats. They are ALL the same and CC proved that already. If you want real change vote Libertarian or TEA Party otherwise you will get the same shitty politicians time after time. My own personal take as far as CC goes is I think NJ residents and voters just like big mouth slobs, perhaps they think it's cute. I think CC was the little fat kid in school that got picked on and now he is getting his payback and 15 minutes in the spotlight. I have to hand it to him for that but as a Governor, for US he is useless as a set of tits on a bull.. He turned out to be a huge disappointment

Libertarian, or Conservative party, maybe.I am not voting for any more R's simply because they are the least of two bad choices. That gigantic fat bag of stinking pus from Mendham that is called Christie attempting to sex the Ken Doll from Mass for a cabinet job if he wins makes me want to puke in a bag and send it as a contribution to the Stupid Party HQ. Fortunately, Romney will be beaten by Obama. I would rather see the current useless incompetent stay in there, where he can be marginalized, than see a fraud plastic-hair-smile boy get anyone's hopes up that there will be some kind of major shift in DC.

 

 

CC is a Rino too, fixed it for you. The only thing that continues to amaze me is he is the golden boy of the Republican Party? what for, it’s not because he is a Second Amendment guy and that is what this is about. He goes on TV and all these phony conservative azz holes want to kiss his ring. Someone above asked would we rather have Corzine, I would ask what’s the difference? The answer is NONE, my taxes are the same and I don’t see ANY pro-gun incentives moving forward. The only reason he got voted in was because Corzine wasn’t even liked by the Dems.

 

The truth of the matter is there isn’t any difference between a NJ Republicans and NJ Democrats. They are ALL the same and CC proved that already. If you want real change vote Libertarian or TEA Party otherwise you will get the same shitty politicians time after time. My own personal take as far as CC goes is I think NJ residents and voters just like big mouth slobs, perhaps they think it's cute. I think CC was the little fat kid in school that got picked on and now he is getting his payback and 15 minutes in the spotlight. I have to hand it to him for that but as a Governor, for US he is useless as a set of tits on a bull.. He turned out to be a huge disappointment

Next you are going to tell me that "well regulated" means protocols and standards, not a well stocked/armed force. As back in the day of the writing of the Constitution if some one was to say that the British had a well regulated army, that they meant they had a good supply of arms and other supplies.

 

The phrase well regulated means well trained and disciplined in drill, marksmanship, and other soldierly duties.

 

Logistics was not specifically mentioned, as the militia generally provided their own arms and supplies, hence why every able-bodied armed citizen is a de-facto member of the unorganized militia. You could include simple logistics, I suppose.

The 2nd Amendment is about the militia. The militia is the people. We, all citizens, are the people. Is this an unknown fact in New Jersey?

 

To these idiots in Trenton, Milita means National Guard. NOT individual citizens.

Libertarian, or Conservative party, maybe.I am not voting for any more R's simply because they are the least of two bad choices. That gigantic fat bag of stinking pus from Mendham that is called Christie attempting to sex the Ken Doll from Mass for a cabinet job if he wins makes me want to puke in a bag and send it as a contribution to the Stupid Party HQ. Fortunately, Romney will be beaten by Obama. I would rather see the current useless incompetent stay in there, where he can be marginalized, than see a fraud plastic-hair-smile boy get anyone's hopes up that there will be some kind of major shift in DC.

You’re not going to get an argument out of me. I’d take it a step further and say if CC did run he would have gotten his fat azz blown out of the water by Obama. Trust me I’m no Obama fan and he has a dismissal record on the economy but he does know how to run campaigns. As you pointed out if Obama does get re-elected gridlock is probably best right now in Washington anyway. Hopefully the economy could get turned around no matter who wins.

 

I was watching Foxnews the other night and one of the guys in this polling group put it best. He said he wants Washington to “stay out of our lives and just protect our borders and deliver our mail”, how great is that...as far as the topic like everyone here I really hope the Federal law (if it pasts) could benefit us in NJ but not I'm going to get my hopes up. Again I remember when the AWB could have been overridden but Don DiFrancesco, the Senate President at the time wouldn't put it to a vote. For those that don't know or forgot the Assembly pasted the override vote but Donny Boy refused to put it to a vote. The rumor was someone may have had some dirt on him becasue the votes were there, I've never seen anything like that....

It sounds like you are mistaking the meaning when folks here use the word "liberal".

 

When the term "liberal" is used nowadays, we are not talking about classic liberalism and enlightenment-era ideals of open-minded thinking. We are talking about Progressive movement Liberalism (capital L), that has been around since the beginning of the 20th century. Two completely different methods of thinking.

 

The Founders of this nation were all classic liberals, for example.

 

Thanks. Yes, seems I was mistaking the current meaning of the terms.

You’re not going to get an argument out of me. I’d take it a step further and say if CC did run he would have gotten his fat azz blown out of the water by Obama. Trust me I’m no Obama fan and he has a dismissal record on the economy but he does know how to run campaigns. As you pointed out if Obama does get re-elected gridlock is probably best right now in Washington anyway. Hopefully the economy could get turned around no matter who wins.

 

I was watching Foxnews the other night and one of the guys in this polling group put it best. He said he wants Washington to “stay out of our lives and just protect our borders and deliver our mail”, how great is that...as far as the topic like everyone here I really hope the Federal law (if it pasts) could benefit us in NJ but not I'm going to get my hopes up. Again I remember when the AWB could have been overridden but Don DiFrancesco, the Senate President at the time wouldn't put it to a vote. For those that don't know or forgot the Assembly pasted the override vote but Donny Boy refused to put it to a vote. The rumor was someone may have had some dirt on him becasue the votes were there, I've never seen anything like that....

 

Don't be so sure that Nobama would be as harmless to the 2A in his second term. 1. He would not have to worry about re-election. And could force his Illinois thinking on the entire country. 2. During his second term, he will get to appoint 2, possibly 3 Supreme Court Justices. He could and most likely would do plenty of damage.

I thought during his campaign he said he wasn't going to do anything to the firearms laws, but he would sign a bill if it came across his desk? Guess I misheard.

i see a NJGF militia to carry on the 2A rights!

I thik 2606 people would qualify as a militia. Can we get some kind of militia permit and carry with that?

I thought during his campaign he said he wasn't going to do anything to the firearms laws, but he would sign a bill if it came across his desk? Guess I misheard.

 

Lip service, cause he knows a bill would NEVER reach his desk.

Yes, you're wrong.

 

Liberals are generally anti-gun.

 

Ironic isn't ..... A liberal will say the government is bad minipulating and taking thier rights..... As long as its a right they agree with, if they don't agree with it, its wrong and the government should abolish it .I guees our forefathers did right with 13 of the bill of rights, but the second was a mistake. Evedently after the revalutionary war was over government corruption and aggessive criminal activity just doesn't exist. That coupled with the fact that the modern day police are always there to protect us against the scum of the earth that would cause one to have to protect himself and his family, who needs a weapon?

Don't be so sure that Nobama would be as harmless to the 2A in his second term. 1. He would not have to worry about re-election. And could force his Illinois thinking on the entire country. 2. During his second term, he will get to appoint 2, possibly 3 Supreme Court Justices. He could and most likely would do plenty of damage.

I’ve been around little while I fully understand the consequences of Obama stacking the deck his with his own Supreme Court judges. The outcome of the election could be very simple to predict, if the economy turns around Obama will get his 2nd term but if the economy stays in the tank (which many are forecasting) I think the Republican nominee will win out. As far as the "Illinois thinking" isn't that here already?

 

I don’t have any data to support this but I would assume many pro 2A people in NJ that voted Florio out for the AWB also voted out Corzine for the senseless one gun per month law. So if that is true what do we have to show for it other than chrissy 2.0 ? My point to the member I was replying back to (and he was likely thinking the same) is that we are tired of fighting to a draw electing these half-assed phony conservatives, I think it is fair to say we would ALL like to win one. I wouldn’t classified Romney and/or Christie as a draw, those two are more like a bust. Like I said I’m no Obama fan but unfortunately Ted Nugent isn’t running...

i see a NJGF militia to carry on the 2A rights!

 

Your already on one, wink wink!

So I contacted Senator Menendez on his thoughts about H.R. 822 that may be making its way to senate. I will keep you posted of a reply.

So I contacted Senator Menendez on his thoughts about H.R. 822 that may be making its way to senate. I will keep you posted of a reply.

 

LOL

 

Here's what his reply will look like.

 

"Dangerous guns must be kept off the streets carried by licensed felons from shoot-em-up states like Florida. I am voting an emphatic NO, NO, NO on this bill. Millions of NJ Children will be killed if this bill passes."

Double :facepalm:

So I contacted Senator Menendez on his thoughts about H.R. 822 that may be making its way to senate. I will keep you posted of a reply.

 

 

ask him how felons are carrying guns in places like newark.. camden.. atlantic city... WITHOUT CCW licensing..

So I contacted Senator Menendez on his thoughts about H.R. 822 that may be making its way to senate. I will keep you posted of a reply.

 

I hope you were joking... right? I think you'll have better luck and a more direct response from General Mao, Karl Marx or Joseph Stalin. :thsmiley_deadhorse: :thsmiley_deadhorse: :thsmiley_deadhorse:

 

 

Seriously, look what he stands for... you are the enemy to him.

ask him how felons are carrying guns in places like newark.. camden.. atlantic city... WITHOUT CCW licensing..

 

No, please don't because Menendez will answer something like "that is why we need stricter gun laws and the complete BAN of firearms".

 

The main question would be "The Constitution (Bill of rights) REQUIRES it a right to bear arms and defend ourselves... why are you denying us of our Constitutional right to bear arms and DEFEND ourselves"? Guarantee you'll hear a "click" followed by a dial tone...

No, please don't because Menendez will answer something like "that is why we need stricter gun laws and the complete BAN of firearms".

 

The main question would be "The Constitution (Bill of rights) REQUIRES it a right to bear arms and defend ourselves... why are you denying us of our Constitutional right to bear arms and DEFEND ourselves"? Guarantee you'll hear a "click" followed by a dial tone...

 

 

while I hate the ignoring of the constitution... I hate illogical people more..

 

and if he answered "that is why we need a complete ban on guns" there is already a follow up question... "you have a complete ban on carrying guns.. and that is doing NOTHING to stop criminals from carrying guns.. you have a complete ban on drugs such as heroin.. cocaine.. crack.. and criminals are still possessing, using, and selling these drugs.. if you look at prohibition people STILL had alcohol.. still sold it.. still possessed it.. so I ask again.. how is a BAN on CCW OR even a BAN on firearms completely going to do ANYTHING to make ANYONE safer... as illustrated by history and present times.. "bans" do NOTHING to stop people from obtaining things.. all they do is create black markets which drive prices up and creates revenue for criminals.. which in turn makes criminals MORE powerful"

 

that would be my response to anyone foolish enough to think that banning guns would do anything..

while I hate the ignoring of the constitution... I hate illogical people more..

 

and if he answered "that is why we need a complete ban on guns" there is already a follow up question... "you have a complete ban on carrying guns.. and that is doing NOTHING to stop criminals from carrying guns.. you have a complete ban on drugs such as heroin.. cocaine.. crack.. and criminals are still possessing, using, and selling these drugs.. if you look at prohibition people STILL had alcohol.. still sold it.. still possessed it.. so I ask again.. how is a BAN on CCW OR even a BAN on firearms completely going to do ANYTHING to make ANYONE safer... as illustrated by history and present times.. "bans" do NOTHING to stop people from obtaining things.. all they do is create black markets which drive prices up and creates revenue for criminals.. which in turn makes criminals MORE powerful"

 

that would be my response to anyone foolish enough to think that banning guns would do anything..

 

Nice....But remember,he is talking to Menendez and what you're saying makes too much sense for him to understand.

No, please don't because Menendez will answer something like "that is why we need stricter gun laws and the complete BAN of firearms".

 

 

So how did that work out for all the societies around the world who have done or tried that??

 

Restrictive gun laws do 2 things, restrict legal gun owners, and make a thieves and robbers day at work that much safer.

So how did that work out for all the societies around the world who have done or tried that??

 

Restrictive gun laws do 2 things, restrict legal gun owners, and make a thieves and robbers day at work that much safer.

 

We need to remember that we are not dealing with people who represent us, we are dealing with people who want to overthrow us. In essence we are as "prisoners" asking the people that are holding us hostage to please give us our firearm rights. There is no reasoning with them..they do not have the same "goal" or "outcome" in mind as we do.

We need to remember that we are not dealing with people who represent us, we are dealing with people who want to overthrow us. In essence we are as "prisoners" asking the people that are holding us hostage to please give us our firearm rights. There is no reasoning with them..they do not have the same "goal" or "outcome" in mind as we do.

 

I hear you, but I have a feeling if it came to the government trying to disarm the US citizens, well lets just say, that would probably be the straw the broke the camels back so to speak. While I can't say that they won't try to do that one day and the present administration, well lets not get into that, I doubt we will see that in our life time, at least I sure hope not.

u should have asked Menendez how we can get LaRaza to side with HR-822, then he will deifnately vote for it.

I guess illegal alien is a LEGAL nj voting citizen to him. This guy seriously needs to be voted out of office!

u should have asked Menendez how we can get LaRaza to side with HR-822, then he will deifnately vote for it.

I guess illegal alien is a LEGAL nj voting citizen to him. This guy seriously needs to be voted out of office!

 

He is la raza, vato's locos papi. Eff him and his liberal retard daughter

This guy seriously needs to be voted out of office!

 

There was an article a couple of weeks ago noting that Menendez has already raised $10 million for his re-election campaign, all in less than a year. $.39 of every dollar came from outside of New Jersey/New York.

I’ve been around little while I fully understand the consequences of Obama stacking the deck his with his own Supreme Court judges. The outcome of the election could be very simple to predict, if the economy turns around Obama will get his 2nd term but if the economy stays in the tank (which many are forecasting) I think the Republican nominee will win out. As far as the "Illinois thinking" isn't that here already?

 

I don’t have any data to support this but I would assume many pro 2A people in NJ that voted Florio out for the AWB also voted out Corzine for the senseless one gun per month law. So if that is true what do we have to show for it other than chrissy 2.0 ? My point to the member I was replying back to (and he was likely thinking the same) is that we are tired of fighting to a draw electing these half-assed phony conservatives, I think it is fair to say we would ALL like to win one. I wouldn’t classified Romney and/or Christie as a draw, those two are more like a bust. Like I said I’m no Obama fan but unfortunately Ted Nugent isn’t running...

Not even close....Corzine got voted out because of the VERY public connection with Carla Katz, and the hubub over releasing the emails, coupled with the near-tanking of the state Pension systems after Lehman Bros imploded. Corzine got voted out because of taxes..just like Florio. we are a VERY small minority and frankly the Politicians don't pay any attention to the Firearms Community except when it comes to Hunting. HUNTERS got the .50 cal ban stopped,..and only because the legislature slipped the wording back in that would have banned Black powder rifles as well...if they had kept it at .50cal centerfire, then it would have passed easily.