Maybe I am not understanding how this range the OP being it on;y allows Skeet/Trap I think they said and apparently hunting, it's still a listed range, correct??

I would hedge a bet that in the State's eyes, it's a WMA first, which has a range facility. I suspect the WMA guidelines may prevail. What doesn't tumble out of your car into plain view I guess is okay.

 

How would I interpret these guidelines?

 

TRAINING AREA REGULATIONS

• All WMA regulations apply.
  
• At least one (1) member of the shooting party must have a current, valid New Jersey hunting license in possession.
  
• Shotgun is for fine shot (lead-free at Assunpink; smaller than No. 4 lead or No. T steel ammunition) only. NO BUCKSHOT OR RIFLED SLUGS
  
• Archery is for target or practice tips only - No broadheads.
  
• Muzzleloader is for muzzleloading firearms, shotguns with rifled slugs or buckshot and modern .22 caliber rimfire rifles only.
  
• No handguns or centerfire rifles permitted.
  
• Hours are 8:00 a.m. - sunset (except Black River WMA, see below)
  
• Clinton Muzzleloader/Rifle Range Rules
  

For "No handguns or centerfire rifles permitted," does this mean handguns and centerfire rifles are not "permitted on premises" or "permitted to be used?"

 

Under WMA Regulations, it specifically says, "no other firearms allowed."

http://www.nj.gov/dep/fgw/wmaregs.htm

 

Yes, it's splitting hairs. Dont'cha love New Jersey?

Now I have gone from home to Range # 1, to Range # 2 and Home, what laws have I broken??

 

 

It's been noted before that, in NJ, we operate under certain exemptions, or are otherwise violating the law. From home to Range #1, you are operating under exemption 2C:39-6 f(3) where you are traveling directly to a range for the purpose of practice (etc.) From Range #1 to Range #2, you fall out of the allowed exemption because you are violating 2C:39-5 without the exemption of traveling directly to a range or home for the purpose of practice (with your handguns). The entire time that you remain at Range #2 and when you travel home (not directly from Range #1) you are in violation because you are in possession of a handgun that is not there for the purpose of the target practice that you have travelled to that range for (re: "said target practice").

 

The NJ gun laws are not convenient, they can be incredibly inconvenient to follow exactly, but time and again, the NJ Prosecutors have stated that the laws are meant to prevent Citizens from driving around with guns. Knowing how the State feels about your rights, and now knowing the letter of the law that they will use against you, if you'd rather forget about it, drive to Range #2 and enjoy your day, that's your decision. If 5 years of your life lost inside a State facility does not appeal to you, then be careful.

Ok, so that means if I was at CJ shooting a match and wanted to stop by OB on my way home I would have to drive past OB, drive home and then go from home to OB??.

 

To add to that, I guess everyone who buys a gun at a FFL and then goes to a range to try her out is breaking the law because they didn't drive home first, huh??

Parker, you certainly get around. Got any good spots for duck? I think I want to do a bit of that next year.

 

Anyway. hd, the legal grounds, as we all know are hard to pin down and I am not a lawyer. But I did take the hunter class.

 

So, since conservation officers are on record of checking your shotshells to see if you have the proper shot size for the game you are hunting and writing you up even if you had no intention of using the shot shell, I think it stands to reason that the same logic can be applied to the type of firearm you have on WMA land.

 

So perhaps there is a gray area if you look at it in one way. But for my money, as I said before, any discussion with an LEO about "well it is a range isn't it?" - in this instance, at this location- means that the you are starting off with already having broken the law, as per the WMA range rules.

 

That leaves you open to a HP rounds charge at least and then I am sure it would lead to a transport law charge.

 

I don't really think it is worth coming up with any more what if scenarios than that since the issue for me is the fact that it was done on a WMA with actual laws in place for it's use. I don't think what we are discussing here is all that applicable elsewhere.

To add to that, I guess everyone who buys a gun at a FFL and then goes to a range to try her out is breaking the law because they didn't drive home first, huh??

 

No, that falls into the exemption 3( c )

Directly to or from any target range, or other authorized place for the purpose of practice, match, target...

Why is one exempted location (FFL) to another exempted location (Range) OK, but exempted location (Range) to exempted location (Range) no allowed??

Why is one exempted location (FFL) to another exempted location (Range) OK, but exempted location (Range) to exempted location (Range) no allowed??

 

Your Range #2 is not an exempted location. Being a range is only part of the exemption. The qualifier is that you are exempted for "carrying such firearms as are necessary for said target practice" or "for the purpose of practice" at this range.

Parker, you certainly get around. Got any good spots for duck? I think I want to do a bit of that next year.

 

Don't laugh, but I haven't duck hunted since the ban on lead shot. Which was a while ago. Kinda focused on other things these days.