Ray there are a dozen S&W 10mm pistols on GunBroker at the moment. They are out there. The DAO guns are a little harder to find. You should check the 10MM forums and they pop up frequently.

 

http://www.ar15armory.com/forums/Classifieds-f299.html

Out of curiosity what I so special about 10 mm. Not real familiar with the round at all

It is the parent of the 40S&W. 10mm was deemed too powerful, and its grip too large for smaller FBI agents and women, so S&W invented a shorter version and dubbed it 40S&W. The difference is akin to 38special and 357 magnum in power and case length.

10mm is the most flexible autoloading caliber, IMO. At its peak, it can go heavy and fast, with the power of a 41Magnum (200grains @ 1200fps), for hunting and woods protection. It can go light and fast (135grains @ 1600fps),for personal protection. It can be downloaded to 40S&W levels. It can be slowed down even more, for nice range powder puff loads. There are a multitude of different bullet weights in that caliber, making it easy to tailor to someone's needs (135gr, 155gr, 160gr, 180gr, 200gr, and a few more less popular ones). If I were somehow limited to one handgun, it would be a 10mm. Since i am not, I sold mine and went with more popular calibers. It is near impossible to scrounge up range brass for 10mm. Also, the power of the caliber causes you to chuck that brass really far, making recovery of your own brass difficult as well.

Thanks for the info. Very interesting. I don't reload so I would be buying ammo. Maybe I will get one before ray nice he thinks I get ll his guns...lol

 

Out of curiosity what I so special about 10 mm. Not real familiar with the round at all

 

It's the predecessor of the .40 S&W cartridge. The FBI adopted it as their cartridge for a period of time, but found that the recoil was too heavy and most of the 10mm guns didn't fit smaller hands. So they trimmed it down to .40 S&W Size.

 

Edit: Lunker beat me to it. Darn work

How does it compare, price wise, to .45?

 

C

Thanks for the info. Very interesting. I don't reload so I would be buying ammo. Maybe I will get one before ray nice he thinks I get ll his guns...lol

 

Look up the ammo, cost and then look at the bullet data, speed and what force they hit with, ok close your mouth, stop drooling..

How does it compare, price wise, to .45?

 

C

Comparable, but harder to find. every Walmart outside of this state carries 45ACP. Only gun stores carry 10mm. That said, a lot of 10mm fans roll their own.

How does it compare, price wise, to .45?

 

C

 

10mm prices run from $0 .80 to $1.00 a round and higher for lead free or frangible ammo.

 

.45ACP prices run from $0.33 to $1.00 a round.

 

FMJ at the lower end and the +P and JHP loads being in the middle and higher end of the ranges.

Thanks. I figured it was on the pricey side.

 

Has the OP made a decision yet? Seems he has a bunch and I am kinda curious where he goes with it.

 

C

Thanks. I figured it was on the pricey side.

 

Has the OP made a decision yet? Seems he has a bunch and I am kinda curious where he goes with it.

 

C

 

no

 

got to wait for permits anyways

I've decided not to do a conversion to a 10mm on my G21 and will look for a G20SF.

 

"The 10mm outperforms the .40 S&W by 200–250 ft/s (61–76 m/s) for similar bullet weights when using available full power loads, as opposed to the "10mm F.B.I." level loads still found in some ammunition catalogs. This is due to the 10mm Auto's higher S.A.A.M.I. pressure rating of 37,500 psi (259,000 kPa), as opposed to 35,000 psi (240,000 kPa) for the .40 S&W, and the larger case capacity, which allows the use of heavier bullets and more smokeless powder."

The 10mm was the first gun I ever shot. I never shot a gun until I went to college. My buddy had one and insisted I go shooting (I love him for that). We bought some really "hot" reloads off some redneck he new in Morgantown and hit the woods. That thing was a freaking hand cannon. Too bad the caliber never took off and ammo can be difficult to find. In fact i still have 1 round of it at my house that i saved from one of our times out. He eventually sold the gun and bought a .40. Would love to shoot a 10mm again.

 

Here is a picture of the 10mm next to a standard 9mm ffor comparison (for those who haven't seen the round before)

why not try the glock 20? love mine! metal 10mms might be good, but i read alot about mechanical problems. I think the plastic helps to avoid those problems and makes it alot more pleasant to shoot. I went shooting it side by side with my sig 226 in .40 cal. and i expected my glock 20 to be unmanageable with heavy loads, it was the opposite, very controllable! it definitely felt like I was driving a muscle car compared to Prius, no dis to sig, I just liked shooting my glock 20, its such a fun caliber, and dont forget 15 rounds, the nj limit of a very powerful round, what's not to like?

why not try the glock 20? love mine! metal 10mms might be good, but i read alot about mechanical problems. I think the plastic helps to avoid those problems and makes it alot more pleasant to shoot. I went shooting it side by side with my sig 226 in .40 cal. and i expected my glock 20 to be unmanageable with heavy loads, it was the opposite, very controllable! it definitely felt like I was driving a muscle car compared to Prius, no dis to sig, I just liked shooting my glock 20, its such a fun caliber, and dont forget 15 rounds, the nj limit of a very powerful round, what's not to like?

 

All excellent points, but I would like a single stack. Or the small Glock 10mm.

Glock 29, whoa!

Thats not a lot of gun to hold on to with some 10mm loads.

http://ellettbrother...ium/0212348.jpg

It's either a Smith or Glock.

you can get the glock 20 sf, i heard good things about that grip its smaller...not too long ago there was one in the market place... mine is the regular g20 "2x4" grip, but you get used to it... whats cool about the g20 is that its still a pretty light in weight for a large gun, slide is wide, compared other glocks but handles recoil really well. dont forget 15 rounds of ready to rock 10mm! hehe...

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Ray ray still needs permits I bet

so rayray what did you end up getting? we all wanna know!

so rayray what did you end up getting? we all wanna know!

 

Gonna wait for Jeremy to sell me his since he's not tough enough for that MAN GUN.

10mm prices run from $0 .80 to $1.00 a round and higher for lead free or frangible ammo.

 

.45ACP prices run from $0.33 to $1.00 a round.

 

FMJ at the lower end and the +P and JHP loads being in the middle and higher end of the ranges.

 

I've been able to find PPU 10mm JHP for $20 a box / $.40 a round, and it's reloadable brass.

Gonna wait for Jeremy to sell me his since he's not tough enough for that MAN GUN.

 

 

LOL The 1066 is a keeper. Dont bet on me selling it anytime soon. When you gonna sell me that TRP?

Touche

Nighthawk tactical does 10mm 1911s

No talk of the Bren 10? Has anyone ever shot one? Or actually seen one in real life?

I've been able to find PPU 10mm JHP for $20 a box / $.40 a round, and it's reloadable brass.

 

How does that ammo shoot for you? I have read reports on Glock Talk of them being very weak loads less than that for .40S&W and velocities of 850 or so with several reports of weak ejection or FTE's on the G20.