With mag capacity and size and being able to conceal it easily (I do off-duty) its just the best all around glock IMO. The 17 is more in the duty size, plus the 10 rd restrictions. I did hear though that PK90 does pin 17rnders? True?

Again, all more good advice

 

In my mind I've decided to go the G19, but damn it's tough finding one in stock at a reasonable price or getting some of the local ffls to coordinate an online order. I might just go to njfg and pick up the overpriced one they have in stock.

 

And I believe AA does make a .22 conversion for the G19, just tough to find in stock anywhere.

 

Michael.

If you dont mind me asking what are they going for now. I think 500ish is where they are at.

$500ish online and $540ish in store for a gen3. $549ish online and $575 ish in store for a gen 4. All give or take $5-10. Obviously all online prices are plus shipping and ffl and in store are plus tax.

 

For the gen 4 I'm not sure it's worth the hassle going online. For the ppq and sigs, different story, online prices are much cheaper.

 

Michael

With mag capacity and size and being able to conceal it easily (I do off-duty) its just the best all around glock IMO. The 17 is more in the duty size, plus the 10 rd restrictions. I did hear though that PK90 does pin 17rnders? True?

 

Yes PK90 has 17 round mags pinned to 15.

The prices arent too bad. I feel bad as I am use to paying $398ish...sheesh. Good luck though and you will enjoy it.

The prices arent too bad. I feel bad as I am use to paying $398ish...sheesh. Good luck though and you will enjoy it.

 

Where do you get that pricing? LEO?

 

Got something going with one of the forum sponsors, hopefully we can close the deal done tomorrow (got late and we didn't finalize the order). Fingers crossed.

 

Michael

Went with my gut and placed an order with Vinny tonight for a G19 gen 4. Hopefully will have it in a few days. Can't wait!!

 

Will post when I pick it up.

 

Thanks again everyone.

Yeah LE pricing at Lawmans...Great choice with the G19. Thats what I carry off-duty with the 26 and would never change. Good luck!

Went with my gut and placed an order with Vinny tonight for a G19 gen 4. Hopefully will have it in a few days. Can't wait!!

 

Will post when I pick it up.

 

Thanks again everyone.

 

Enjoy! May it be the first of many Glocks in your life!

NJplinker, all I read from your original post was: Hi, guns are very awesome. I like them all. Help

me figure out which one I will buy FIRST. LOL!

 

I can't really say. All your choices are great. Chances are you'll end up owning most if not all of

them. Maybe not all at once but you'll probably give each one a try. That's kinda the state I'm in,

except they end up staying in the safe...

NJplinker, all I read from your original post was: Hi, guns are very awesome. I like them all. Help

me figure out which one I will buy FIRST. LOL!

 

I can't really say. All your choices are great. Chances are you'll end up owning most if not all of

them. Maybe not all at once but you'll probably give each one a try. That's kinda the state I'm in,

except they end up staying in the safe...

 

Gotta sell what you don't shoot. Simple as that.

 

If you're gonna collect, buy stuff worth collecting. If you own guns for practical purposes, then buy them based on what you like to shoot, and how often you do it.

Picked up my new G19 Gen 4 today from Vinny this morning. Was ready to be picked up last night, but had dinner plans with the wife. Two day turnaround from the time I placed the order, super smooth transaction with Vinny with good communication and a great price. Worst part was the 50 minute drive each way.

 

Not sure what my hesitation was, the G19 really does fit my hand well and points naturally. Guess when you rent 3-4 pistols and only get 10-15 minutes each, switching between makes/models, it got tough for me to really decide. Having it for a couple hours has reassured that I made the right decision for the first pistol. This pistol had a 1/19/2012 firing date on the spent casing and came with the updated RSA and extractor, so hoping not to have any of the reported 'erratic ejection' issues. The slide release lever is super stiff to depress as is the overall operation, so hoping it will break in with use. Will probably order an extended slide release lever at some point.

 

Spent the morning reading through the manual along with my wife, going over the pistol's operation, how it worked, how to field strip it/reassemble, etc. From all the research I'd done and hands on with the rentals, I already knew 95% of it, but figured it would be good to go back to basics and walk through it with my wife. The G19 seems to fit her hands well and she's able to rack the slide fairly easily. We're planning on hitting the range later today or early Sunday.

 

Thanks again for the advice. I'm sure I'll be back for discussions on pistol #2 (PPQ, P226, PX4 or Cougar...the list goes on).

Michael

beretta 92G

beretta 92G

 

Because everyone needs the steam powered choo-choo train of handguns, yes?

Because everyone needs the steam powered choo-choo train of handguns, yes?

 

What?

May the Glock be with you!

What?

 

The silly external trigger bar reminds me of the drive arms on a steam train. They've inherited that feature from the model 1934 and I find it offensive in a gun that size.

Congrats!

The silly external trigger bar reminds me of the drive arms on a steam train. They've inherited that feature from the model 1934 and I find it offensive in a gun that size.

 

Um, it's a Beretta. They work.

OK guys, enough with the back and forth on the 92G. Already stated way up front it wasn't for me, at least right now.

 

Got to the range with my wife this morning. It was her first time to a formal range and I wanted to go somewhere that I knew was clean with professional, friendly staff, so we made the trip out to Easton to go to Heritage Guild. Beautiful day out and a nice drive out 78 made for a quick trip. Got to HG and had to wait 20 minutes for a port as there were a couple medium sized groups that were already ahead of us. Also got hit with a $20 per person fee, not just a $20 per port fee as I had expected....doesn't make much sense to me, but oh well.

 

On to the shooting. My wife has shot small caliber rifles in her earlier years, but this was the first time with a pistol and she was visibly apprehensive. We took it slow and went over all the steps we had gone through the day earlier. She wanted to watch me shoot first to get an idea of how everything looked in action so I loaded up the 3 magazines with my uplula loader (such a simple yet effective device) and setup the G19 without a back strap. With the targets set to 4 or 5 yards, I took aim with what I thought was a comfortable grip and was shooting low and left, with a couple fliers for the first mag. After the second mag, the group tightened up to maybe 5" or so, but still low and left.

 

Up comes my wife and after some clear hesitation to start, unsure of her grip and not quite confident in how to rack the slide ....first time ever shooting a pistol.....shoots a 3" group just high and right at 4 yards. Gotta love it. She said she was very nervous to start, but calmed down by the end of the mag. From watching her once she started to shoot, wouldn't have know it at all.

 

Moved out to 7 yards and I was all over the place for two mags. I took a moment to think about what I was doing and realized I was pushing the trigger with the outer tip of my index finder rather than the center portion of the pad, not focusing on the front sight enough and anticipating the recoil. Moved the trigger position inward, took my time and tried not to anticipate the recoil and I was back to 7-8" groups, just a little low and to the left. Better, but not great. I'm definitely a noob, but something just wasn't feeling right though and I was starting to get a little discouraged in my performance. Up comes my wife and she had the same learning curve at the longer distance, but mostly shooting high. By the third magazine she was also shooting 5-6" groups, thoroughly showing me up and reveling in the fact that the range officer (an older gentleman that was really nice to my wife and I) noticed and commented that 'you're better than he is'.

 

By that time, our hour was coming to a close and we were running low on the ammo we had brought, but I then realized that we still had the pistol setup without a backstrap. I threw on the large backstrap, loaded up the last two mags, threw on a new 'shoot and see' target and sent it out to 7 yards. Grip was much more natural with just a little more room for both hands. Took my time, focused on the front sight and properly squeezing the trigger and, viola, I'm hitting 5" groups just low and to the left with a couple right on the bullseye. I felt vindicated....somewhat. I know it was only 7 yards, but I was pleased with that result.

 

All in all the G19 performed well through the 250 rounds we pumped through, but we had a couple issues with weak/erratic shell ejection hitting us straight back in the face. Happened a couple times with me, but quite often with my wife. She also had one failure to go into battery after her second shot, but I'll attribute that to improper grip or user error as it didn't happen again. From what I understand Federal Champion Bulk ammo is a pretty weak load, so going to order some cases of Spear Lawman or Sellier and Belloit online and see how the pistol performs with better ammo.

 

After our time on the range, I asked my wife how she liked the range time and she said that while really nervous at first, by the end she was really enjoying herself. I think the atmosphere, nice staff and the fact that she shot well really helped in that regard. After cleaning up, packing our stuff and getting ready to leave, my wife asks if we can "go look at guns for her". A little shocked, I ask if she was serious. She indicated that the G19 just didn't feel natural for her and that she had enough fun that she'd like to come back but maybe with another gun. Who am I to argue, so after a couple questions and quick discussion, seems she found the grip of the G19 a little too wide and blocky for her. Off to the showroom to look and see if there's something more inline for her. Again, the staff at HG was super helpful and after we explained what her earlier experience was, they showed her a couple of pistols that might be a better fit. I decided not to give much input during the process so she could see and decide what fit best for her. She said the compacts and sub compacts (especially single stacks) didn't feel right for her and she liked a narrower, rounder grip, but wanted it at least as long as the G19 or longer. On her own and she gravitated to the PX4 full size, PPQ and the M&P 9 full size. Guess that helps solidify which will be next on the list......

 

On the way home she started talking about the .22 she used to shoot in her teens and started asking about rifles. Then she started asking about shooting clays, how she'd always wanted to try that and what kind of shotgun do you need for that. Then she started asking about clubs to join and where we could go that would be closer to home. Then she had a whole bunch of questions about home defense and laws and.......the list went on.

 

Gotta love my wife, she's such an understanding woman and has always supported my few interests as she knows I don't go into them without a lot of research and commitment once I start. I originally brought her along to learn hands on how to operate a pistol so she'd feel more comfortable with having them in the house (yes, locked up safely in our safe, away from curious hands), but something in the back of my mind was hoping she'd get hooked too. Luck for me she seemed to get both. At some point we'll be getting her some formal basic training and then followed by some more advanced training for the both of us.

 

Thanks again everyone for the advice, both on this thread and on this forum as a whole, for getting us started on our journey and following along for the first part of the trip.