Lets play the "What if?" game and assume that CCW is granted on a shall issue basis to everyone who is over 21 blah, blah.

 

Now everyone is granted that right under NJ State Law, however the politicians mandate that you have to take a 40 hour course in gun safety, accuracy and laws, then every year take another 8 hour course to demonstrate your ability with that weapon, to be able to continue to carry it.

 

 

Cost-$500

 

Who is willing to take that time off from work and spend the money.

 

 

Of course you would have to buy insurance, this is the Garden State.

48 hours of training

$500 fee

buy insurance???? (so you have insurance in case you get in a fist fight?)

 

No right has been granted at this point. It is still Highly prohibited and only the rich can afford that. I fight it in court as being unconstitutional is the answer.

Cost-$500

Who is willing to take that time off from work and spend the money.

Of course you would have to buy insurance, this is the Garden State.

 

So - you're basically asking me how much I value my life. When I got into motorcycling I realized I could buy a cheap-azz DOT compliant helmet or I could spend some coin and get a good Snell rated helmet. I bought the best helmet I could afford at the time.

 

Here too - I would find a way to raise the cash to do what's necessary while the (no doubt subsequent) NJ2AS lawsuit worms its way through the courts.

Lets play the "What if?" game and assume that CCW is granted on a shall issue basis to everyone who is over 21 blah, blah.

 

Now everyone is granted that right under NJ State Law, however the politicians mandate that you have to take a 40 hour course in gun safety, accuracy and laws, then every year take another 8 hour course to demonstrate your ability with that weapon, to be able to continue to carry it.

 

 

Cost-$500

 

Who is willing to take that time off from work and spend the money.

 

 

Of course you would have to buy insurance, this is the Garden State.

 

Okay so we will take the insurance part out.

48 hours of training

$500 fee

buy insurance???? (so you have insurance in case you get in a fist fight?)

 

No right has been granted at this point. It is still Highly prohibited and only the rich can afford that. I fight it in court as being unconstitutional is the answer.

 

So it is a what if, and it gets granted but you have to go through some sort of training and every year make sure you are safe + $500 beans you would still not CCW and fight it in the courts based on its "rich only can afford it".

So it is a what if, and it gets granted but you have to go through some sort of training and every year make sure you are safe + $500 beans you would still not CCW and fight it in the courts based on its "rich only can afford it".

 

No, I am saying with those requirements nothing has been granted at that point. Those restrictions are not shall issue, they are shall issue if you have spare time and money.

Well, if there is reciprocity with Kentucky, it might be another reason for me to finally get the CCW here in KY so when I visit friends in NJ I could carry.

 

$500 for a CCW permit? Wasn't that some politicians proposal at some point? Hell, with this economy some people probably cannot even afford a $250 handgun, let alone a $500 CCW permit. Insurance required for CCW??? Sounds like yet another backdoor gun control legislation. Is there something in that Delaware river that made New Jersey separate from the rest of the U.S?

I think it has more to do with the Hudson and what's across from it.

Okay so we will take the insurance part out.

 

I would take that deal! As you noted, we can always fight for a reduction in the feelater on. Also, some have mentioned that we should not be required to pay a fee and take training to pursue a right, but I don't have a problem with either of those issues. I believe there should be some significant level of training involved before people can carry a handgun. Moreover, I think CCW permit applicants should be subjected to thorough background scrutiny to keep guns out of the hands of maniacs like Jared Loughner and the guy at Virginia Tech. When tragic incidents like those occur with deranged people using legal guns, it amps up the hue and cry of the anti-gunners, thereby hurting all of us.

I think it has more to do with the Hudson and what's across from it.

 

True, but at least in some upstate counties in NY State they allow CCW although reading the horror stories some having to wait up to 13 months to get a permit... This makes for some interesting reading http://www.nyfirearms.com/forums/pistol-permits/

You guys make the what if game no fun. What if they say hey, here you can carry a gun, but you have to pay 500 one time fee and get some training and people still say no. I know it is a right but you have to start somewhere. You cant win a battle the first or 1000th day, but you can take the little victories.

Yes a politician did propose the $500 amount State Sen. Jeff Van Drew (D-Cape May). As far as the river comment, it would seem there are a lot of contaminents in the river affecting important political decisions.

Listen I think everyone should be able to carry whatever they want. But I dont think that some type of safety training is a bad idea. You cant give a 16 y/o a car because it is their privelage and assume they know how to drive and assume they will not kill somebody.

 

Its just a what if.

I think some form of educational training should be required, 40 hours refresher and then an 8 hour yearly? That might be a bit to excessive. Maybe 16 hours 8-4 class Sat. and Sun and then a yearly qualifying shoot to demonstrate accuracy would seem more appropriate.

48 hour course and $500 per year... that would be another lawsuit.

 

I'd say an 7 hour course and $50-150 every 3 years is more like it. Something along the lines of DL fees.

Call me a pessimist but as far as I am concerned we will NEVER see CCW for the general public in NJ. However if and when I am in the position to carry I will get some sort of insurance.

As I understand it (haven't done it yet). Here in KY it costs $80 for a mandatory 8 hour course. There are videos to watch, information about the laws where to carry where not to carry, written tests, gun cleaning, gun handling, live fire range time, bring your own ammo, holster and gun. You pass the test, you wait 30 + days then you get a certificate in the mail.

 

Take the certificate to the sheriff, and then start the application process, pictures taken, background checks...another fee for the permit $60 plus the pictures $10.

 

After that if all goes well, wait 60 days then you get a notice in the mail, take that notice to the sheriff and get your permit. CCW is called CCDW (Conceal Carry Deadly Weapons) and also covers other deadly weapons as well including knives and items that could be used as a deadly weapon.

 

The State Police does a monthly NICS check on all CCDW holders. This started in 2006, but you can use the CCDW to bypass NICS but still have to do the 4473.

Under those conditions, no, I wouldn't.

if they do the same thing to drivers who get moving violations on a regular basis and/or are over 65 and have hearing or vision impairments then sure....which machine is kills more?!

You guys make the what if game no fun. What if they say hey, here you can carry a gun, but you have to pay 500 one time fee and get some training and people still say no. I know it is a right but you have to start somewhere. You cant win a battle the first or 1000th day, but you can take the little victories.

 

Demand the Universe, settle for the world

I'm with Ken. Not worth it to me.

You just lost the game!

bs you all would do it just to carry!

- 40 hour course in gun safety, accuracy and laws

- every year take another 8 hour course

Cost-$500

 

Sounds like "No guns for Negroes" to me. I think at this point my "what if" response would be do donate $1000 to a minority rights organization fund to support a civil rights lawsuit.

 

(That was not a racial slur up there, by the way. JPFOA has a great video with this title, explaining how gun control laws were instituted originally to keep black people from owning guns. )

bs you all would do it just to carry!

 

I think so too

bs you all would do it just to carry!

Anyone who knows me here knows exactly how I feel about this very subject, and I resent being called bullshiit just because I didn't give you the response you were trolling for.

My life and my families protection is worth more than 5C to be honest.....but......who has the right to attach a price tag to the 2nd Ammendment ?

 

I don't think so..............

Call me a pessimist but as far as I am concerned we will NEVER see CCW for the general public in NJ.

 

Sadly, I kind of feel the same way.

I agree............as the NRA put it back in the 90's............NJ is a test case for the entire country.......not likely.

Do people need training to carry CCW?