I think some of you guys think this is a new thing..... I guess you dont ever go to a majore political rally....

 

The only thing that has changed is public awareness. And frankly I think that is a mistake because someone planning to do bad things may now take countermeasures into account.

 

To call it living in fear is a mistake. Not putting any countermeasure to some terrorist opening up in a crowd with a krink would be a mistake. Evidence of a plan for a terrorist attack of this type has been discovered. Again, whats the down side of having a solution available for a specific type of problem?

 

I agree with you. Plus don't forget we live in a nanny state "protect us from everything, where is my fema check" kind of environment.

"you would rather give up your rights so that someone else can protect you.. i get that

but thats exactly the problem with this country IMHO"

 

Redbow, if that was directed at me, Id LOVE to know how you extrapolated that out of anything I have said......

 

Nothing personal, for me thats what i got out of what you said. You would like to give up the right to decide if you live or die to some random person employed by the goverment in the hopes that this will protect you...

I just never made the connection (and still dont) that having a long gunner around has anything whatsoever to do with my rights. To me one has nothing to do with the other. I cant shoot a bad guy on the other side of the stadium with my pistol..... He is there for a specific type of threat. Simple as that. And if I had to pick a point in time that this came from, it would indeed be Munich.

Its not a decision process. I guess if your ever taken hostage by a home invasion, you dont want SWAT/SRT to respond????

I just never made the connection (and still dont) that having a long gunner around has anything whatsoever to do with my rights. To me one has nothing to do with the other. I cant shoot a bad guy on the other side of the stadium with my pistol..... He is there for a specific type of threat. Simple as that. And if I had to pick a point in time that this came from, it would indeed be Munich.

 

Why coun't some responsible citizens take care of the threat on the other side of the stadium if it erupted near them?

 

Its not a decision process. I guess if your ever taken hostage by a home invasion, you dont want SWAT/SRT to respond????

 

In that case a threat/enemy has been established. They're not just watching a group of thousands of americans "just in case"

Some people cant be made happy. No one even knew that they were there. Now because a picture is taken of the setup for an article now its being called a police state. Come on, people either need to stop being paranoid or move to a country where you really have to worry about something happening. Those measures are put in place in case something happens at the biggest sporting event in the country. If you are that scared of something happening dont go. Watch it on tv.

Why coun't some responsible citizens take care of the threat on the other side of the stadium if it erupted near them?

 

IIRC they were not allowing people to CCW at the bowl.

How would they respond? Most people are sheep. Throw a beer at a guy trying to ignite a pipe bomb?

Sure everyone has the right to protect themselves, I agree but simmer down a bit.

"Why coun't some responsible citizens take care of the threat on the other side of the stadium if it erupted near them?"

 

By all means I would love for this to be the case if they were able! But what if the Dallas fans are on one side, and a NJ,NY,Mass team is on the other and the problem breaks out on the anti gun side?LOL

 

"In that case a threat/enemy has been established."

I gurauntee you there is a very narrow, very specific ROE in place.

Some people cant be made happy. No one even knew that they were there. Now because a picture is taken of the setup for an article now its being called a police state. Come on, people either need to stop being paranoid or move to a country where you really have to worry about something happening. Those measures are put in place in case something happens at the biggest sporting event in the country. If you are that scared of something happening dont go. Watch it on tv.

 

So you're cool with someone pointing a loaded high power rifle at you because there "might be a terrorist" but you're calling those with my point of view paranoid?

 

IIRC they were not allowing people to CCW at the bowl.

How would they respond? Most people are sheep. Throw a beer at a guy trying to ignite a pipe bomb?

 

you're right, but what I'm getting at is if we actually followed the constitution it wouldn't be an issue. Even in the current state I'm confident a BG would get taken down by a group of angry fans... if nothing else other then they're mad he intyerupted the game lol

KRD then it becomes a choice and the fact of the matter is that if I had a CCW, I would not go anywhere it was not welcome......

"Why coun't some responsible citizens take care of the threat on the other side of the stadium if it erupted near them?"

 

By all means I would love for this to be the case if they were able! But what if the Dallas fans are on one side, and a NJ,NY,Mass team is on the other and the problem breaks out on the anti gun side?LOL

 

"In that case a threat/enemy has been established."

I gurauntee you there is a very narrow, very specific ROE in place.

 

Again what im getting at is that if we as a country followed the constitution it would be a non-issue.

RBT, there is at least 40 years of overwatch on the books. Can you find a single account of a ND?

my appoligies shane but you lost me with ROE and KRD...?

So you're cool with someone pointing a loaded high power rifle at you because there "might be a terrorist" but you're calling those with my point of view paranoid?

 

 

 

you're right, but what I'm getting at is if we actually followed the constitution it wouldn't be an issue. Even in the current state I'm confident a BG would get taken down by a group of angry fans... if nothing else other then they're mad he intyerupted the game lol

 

Was there a round in the chamber? We dont know. If something happened and they were not there what would the uproar been then. Police dont do anything. Police should have had more presence there. I just saying cant make everyone happy.

ROE = Rules Of Engagement.

 

KRD = me

 

And yeah - there's always been police/sniper overwatch at events like this.

 

http://www.accesshollywood.com/ashton-kutcher-spots-the-super-bowl-snipers-february-01-2009_video_984161

RBT, there is at least 40 years of overwatch on the books. Can you find a single account of a ND?

 

My good friend has been shooting for over 50 years now without a ND... does that mean you want him sitting on the opposite side of cracker barrel from you pointing a loaded .308 at your face? just in case someone in the resturant turns out to be a terrorist?

Again what im getting at is that if we as a country followed the constitution it would be a non-issue.

 

I agree.

ROE = Rules Of Engagement.

 

KRD = me

 

And yeah - there's always been police/sniper overwatch at events like this.

 

http://www.accesshol...09_video_984161

 

Thnaks, and yes you're correct. but just becuase its been happeniing doesn't make it right IMHO

Its a respectful opinion, but deptartments always have to deal with the what if's and if something happened why didnt they do anything. I better off having them there then not.

Someone had to make sure Brady went down. It probably had a tranq dart in it.

Its a respectful opinion, but deptartments always have to deal with the what if's and if something happened why didnt they do anything. I better off having them there then not.

 

 

and you're more then wolcome to entertain that opinion and argument, however I must respectfully disagree.

 

I do agree however that its BS that if something bad happens everyone blames police for not being there... people must learn to take care of themselves

Someone had to make sure Brady went down. It probably had a tranq dart in it.

 

So that's why Welker missed

and you're more then wolcome to entertain that opinion and argument, however I must respectfully disagree.

 

I do agree however that its BS that if something bad happens everyone blames police for not being there... people must learn to take care of themselves

 

I totally agree with that. However this community NJGF is the minority in the state that want to be able to protect themselves and be self-reliant. Most of the state is dependent on some type of services. The laws in this state dont really allow self-protection as we all know.

I totally agree with that. However this community NJGF is the minority in the state that want to be able to protect themselves and be self-reliant. Most of the state is dependent on some type of services. The laws in this state dont really allow self-protection as we all know.

 

Agreed, and until that changes more power is going to put in the hands of goverment as it becomes more and more apparent they can't protect us in their current capacity..

 

hopefully people realize sooner rather then later that no what the goverment will not be able to protect you no matter how much power we give them.. all they can do is misuse it.

Man...... I meant this thread to be a "oh hey cool rifle" thread...

Man...... I meant this thread to be a "oh hey cool rifle" thread...

 

Yeah it is

it is pretty badass.

On the question of why no police counter measure, this would be a big one since there are verified credible threats of tageting a major event.

 

On the topic of being on the wrong end of a loaded weapon let me ask you this:

 

If your walking behind a ccw wearing his fav Don Jonsen shoulder holster, where is it pointed?

If your having a picnic and a ccw is laying on a blanket face down reading a book near you with his feet pointed toward you, where will just about every normal holster have the weapon pointed?

If your walking behind a ccw wearing strong side FBI cant holster and he bends over to pick up a dime, where will his weapon be pointed?

If you walk by a scaffold and a ccw is above, where?

 

Would you agree this likely happens 1000 times a day? I think this is simply part and parcel with an armed society.......

You never know.