. Have we become the enemy of our own government?

 

The people are the enemy of any government.

Can the guys with .50 BMG's shoot them down.

Can the guys with .50 BMG's shoot them down.

 

Sure, if you actually luck enough hit a critical system or somehow take out the pilots, but other than that, your just going to make a 50BMG hole in the plane, thats if you hit it in the first place.

Can the guys with .50 BMG's shoot them down.

All you need is a catapult and some warm dumplings............remember this story from back in the 60's? One man thumbing his nose at progress:

 

http://www.gettyimag...age/mr_00027908

 

 

JFC will the stupidity out of DC ever end. This irks me on 2 levels. First as a citizen I find the idea of further surveillance with little or no oversight extremely troubling, especially by local LEO agencies that seem to have trouble even following state laws.

 

And second, as a private pilot it scares me that soon there may be UAVs sharing the save airspace with me with idiots behind the controls that are paying more attention to the ground than the airspace around them. And if there is ever an accident they are probably just going to blame the private pilots and further limit general aviation.

 

Most departments are having trouble keeping their cars running..i think your foil is on a tad too tightly

Most departments are having trouble keeping their cars running..i think your foil is on a tad too tightly

 

How many local PDs follow NJSP laws regarding FIDs & P2Ps? Please get back to me.

If your only defense or evidence on your position is a quip about a tinfoil hat, you probably don't have much. Try using real points when you attack someones position. Thank you.

 

To be clear, I am not arguing with or against you, just making an observation.

OK. There will be drones flying around.

 

Question: How do you shoot them down?

You don't

Everyday, for the past twelve months in particular, I see at least one story on Drudge or ZeroHedge that instantly brings this quote to mind:

 

“If tyranny and oppression come to this land it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.”

― James Madison

 

The intelligence, foresight and sheer common sense of the Founders never ceases to amaze me.

OK. There will be drones flying around.

 

Question: How do you shoot them down?

 

Same way you shoot any plane down, you put a bullet in the pilot.

Same way you shoot any plane down, you put a bullet in the pilot.

 

The only problem is the pilot is probably sitting in some air conditioned trailer on Nellis, Edwards, Davis-Monthan, Kirtland, or some other remote Air Force base.

OK. There will be drones flying around.

 

Question: How do you shoot them down?

 

Single shot to the engine block!

OK. There will be drones flying around.

 

Question: How do you shoot them down?

 

Herf gun?

OK. There will be drones flying around.

 

Question: How do you shoot them down?

 

Got an FIM-92 Stinger laying around?

How many local PDs follow NJSP laws regarding FIDs & P2Ps? Please get back to me.

 

I'll try writing with crayon so you can understand this.....Local PD's DONT HAVE THE MONEY FOR THIS CRAP

someone needs to develop a round for a shotgun so we can go drone skeet shooting...

Local pd's are going to use this for everything to control us. Tin foil hat off now. J/k. Though this response isn't far off in the ire cation some pople are headed.

 

The govt will never allow a local pd handle this equipment. Too much liability.

I'll try writing with crayon so you can understand this.....Local PD's DONT HAVE THE MONEY FOR THIS CRAP

 

So basically you are saying, as long as you don't have the money, it is okay to not follow the law. Cool. I suppose I don't have to register my vehicle, pay any traffic fines, pay taxes, etc, if I don't have the money. That seems fair. But I digress.

 

And I'll type this is Times New Roman so it doesn't look like a 5-year-old is saying it. THEY DON'T FOLLOW THE LAW BECAUSE THEY ARE ABOVE IT AND THERE IS NO ACCOUNTABILITY.

 

So they don't have money to be able to file a small amount of paperwork within the month timeframe as outlined in law, but they have money for...

 

http://www.utsandieg...police-vehicle/

 

 

That is a $250k armored vehicle with a $2700 maintenance cost a year.

 

 

Local pd's are going to use this for everything to control us. Tin foil hat off now. J/k. Though this response isn't far off in the ire cation some pople are headed.

 

The govt will never allow a local pd handle this equipment. Too much liability.

 

But have no problem allowing them to use

 

and

 

I know it is different, but wait!

 

http://www.miaminewt...ady-for-action/

 

Miami-Dade police already got approval to use them...

 

http://www.click2hou...ez/-/index.html

 

And Houston...

 

So much for that too much liability theory.

I'll try writing with crayon so you can understand this.....Local PD's DONT HAVE THE MONEY FOR THIS CRAP

 

So what you're saying is you don't have a good argument and resort to insults? Well what can I say I'm floored by your well thought out argument.

 

What exactly qualifies as a local PD? Are you saying NY, LA, Boston, Newark, Trenton, Camden, Philly, <insert town with over 100k pop here> can't afford this? There already were several PDs that used drones in some limited fashion.

 

It's ok though, feel free to come back with another well thought out point as you've clearly showed so far, I can use the amusement.

Sweet..I am going to look into training ops for this stuff. Tin hat for you but fun for me. I was wrong in my points then so disregard , I stand corrected. Looks like I need to buy stock in Reynolds wrap because there is going to be an awful lot of tin foil sold now. People around here are going to look like the tin man from the wizard of oz

"Quick quick! I have no legitimate point, so deflect! Deflect! Umm.....make some quip about wearing tin foil hats to redirect! Yeah, that should do it! Maybe people will get caught up on that and forget about facts!"

 

So to some up:

 

BlueLineFish & KpdPipes argument tactics:

 

1. Write in crayon

2. Make quips about tin foil hats or something

3. Repeat #2.

4. Post incorrect assumptions as if they are facts.

5. Ignore actual facts.

6. Refuse to acknowledge the oppositions points.

7. Repeat above steps in random order.

Bottom line is I don't really care about this so I don't worry about it. I'm too busy to be paranoid

Bottom line is I don't really care about this

 

And the tap out.

http://www.washingto...a-sky-near-you/

 

"The FAA Reauthorization Act, which President Obama is expected to sign, also orders the Federal Aviation Administration to develop regulations for the testing and licensing of commercial drones by 2015.

 

"Privacy advocates say the measure will lead to widespread use of drones for electronic surveillance by police agencies across the country and eventually by private companies as well."

 

Great! Now I have to worry about running into them... or them running into me.

 

 

And the tap out.

 

Consider it whatever you want. If I want to talk to paranoid edp's I have work tomorrow. I really don't care about this enough to argue on a message board. You proved you point that skynet is coming next week. We are all doomed and hail John Connor.

Consider it whatever you want. If I want to talk to paranoid edp's I have work tomorrow. I really don't care about this enough to argue on a message board. You proved you point that skynet is coming next week. We are all doomed and hail John Connor.

 

Steps #2, 3, and 5. Got it.

I'm not ignoring facts. You posted some good ones. I was wrong. I just don't see the relevancy of drone approval. You are passionate about it. That's fine. I dont care about it that's fine too

I'm not ignoring facts. You posted some good ones. I was wrong. I just don't see the relevancy of drone approval. You are passionate about it. That's fine. I dont care about it that's fine too

 

How is me pointing out that police departments already have approval to fly drones when you said that would never happen not relevant to drones?????????? How is me showing other examples of what could be considered something with high liability, that happens, when you gave that as a reason not relevant????

 

I was responding to what you said directly, but that is not relevant?