Damn, i've hated CR since I first went there 3 years ago. And everyone here defended it. My ooooh my have the times changed.

Damn, i've hated CR since I first went there 3 years ago. And everyone here defended it. My ooooh my have the times changed.

 

You're almost like family Puppy! But you're a HATER!

You're almost like family Puppy! But you're a HATER!

 

Have you NOT read the last 5 pages?

Have you NOT read the last 5 pages?

 

Yes I have Ray. A lot of BS whining.

 

I really don't want to go into what my views of CR are. They are really complex and not anything like anyone elses.

 

It is what it is. Accept it. change it, or don't use it. The face of gun ownership is changing. And I welcome it. The major portion on the new members are not run and gunners. But they are VOTERS. See where I'm going with this?

Yes I have Ray. A lot of BS whining.

 

I really don't want to go into what my views of CR are. They are really complex and not anything like anyone elses.

 

It is what it is. Accept it. change it, or don't use it. The face of gun ownership is changing. And I welcome it. The major portion on the new members are not run and gunners. But they are VOTERS. See where I'm going with this?

 

I see your point, but Cherry Ridge needs to read this thread and see where they could help their members.

I see your point, but Cherry Ridge needs to read this thread and see where they could help their members.

 

Agreed.

 

Just as an aside, Run and Gun sometimes intimidates new shooters and the growing population of women shooters. All voters!!

Agreed.

 

Just as an aside, Run and Gun sometimes intimidates new shooters and the growing population of women shooters. All voters!!

 

But condemning it totally is stupid, and they are fools to turn away from it. It will bring more members!

But condemning it totally is stupid, and they are fools to turn away from it. It will bring more members!

 

Ray - I don't think anyone is condemning games. I just think they are just trying to appeal to the largest group of potential members/voters.

Ray - I don't think anyone is condemning games. I just think they are just trying to appeal to the largest group of potential members/voters.

 

So, are you telling me that the people who use this range are strictly hunters and marksmen? If so, then by your logic there are against "gun games" and the like are they are NOT on my side.

So, are you telling me that the people who use this range are strictly hunters and marksmen? If so, then by your logic there are against "gun games" and the like are they are NOT on my side.

 

Loads of Newbees and Women. 25% of gun buyers are first time buyers and sales to women have increased 46%. These are the growth areas. If you're in business you address the growth areas. Why do you think there is a "Ladies Day" , "Youth Day" and "Family Day".

 

Just look at the range schedule http://www.anjrpc.org/?page=Range_schedule

 

The range schedule is full of activities that have been the staple of the sport. Just no Action Pistol. They're not set-up for that. And why should they be? How many action pistol shooters nation wide? Comparitively not that many.

Let's condense this....are the gripes are that there is no uspsa/idpa.....?....bad communication?......nothing other than paper?...

 

 

For me that the membership is waaaaaayyyyyy out there....i am just trying to understand what the major issues are.....

 

Nick- There's just a bunch of whining cry babies that want their own personal range with out paying for it.

Nick- There's just a bunch of whining cry babies that want their own personal range with out paying for it.

Really? That's what you got from what's been said so far? I know you're old and grumpy and you think that gives you a free pass on making insulting douchebag comments all the time, but you may need to go back to school and work on your reading comprehension.

 

Let's condense this....are the gripes are that there is no uspsa/idpa.....?....bad communication?......nothing other than paper?...

I can only speak for myself, but the lack of communication is a big one for me... followed by only shooting at paper. USPSA/IDPA isn't currently an interest of mine, so I dont care about that one one way or another.

 

The increase in fees is a hard pill to swallow when you don't understand where your money is going and saying that the fees haven't gone up in X number of years (which, coincidentally, isn't true) is just a cop out excuse in my opinion.

I can only speak for myself, but the lack of communication is a big one for me... followed by only shooting at paper. USPSA/IDPA isn't currently an interest of mine, so I dont care about that one one way or another.

 

The increase in fees is a hard pill to swallow when you don't understand where your money is going and saying that the fees haven't gone up in X number of years (which, coincidentally, isn't true) is just a cop out excuse in my opinion.

 

That summed up my feelings. I don't run and gun but I'd love to shoot at something other than paper. The fact that there's a big plug in membership and Scott Bach gets a full time salary for part time work seems like we're treated like mushrooms. Kept in the dark and fed @#$%.

Nick- There's just a bunch of whining cry babies that want their own personal range with out paying for it.

 

And you and your Old School attitude are just representative of the average 147 year old ANJRPC board member.

I took a look the other day at the newsletter (my coworker's copy because of course I can't find mine and it's not posted online), and the article seemed more interested in justifying that they had to spend money on replacing the 15 year old pickup truck that just died, rather than giving details on range improvements. It spent a full paragraph explaining "we've had this truck for sooo long, we've fixed it a number of times, we tried really hard to fix it again but it just didn't happen, please forgive us for spending $30k on a new truck" and then only a few words saying "pistol range improvements are coming".

 

just an FYI, the truck didnt die. it was sold, i know who bought it, and ive seen it running and driving recently. it still had the 'range officer' stickers on it

just an FYI, the truck didnt die. it was sold, i know who bought it, and ive seen it running and driving recently. it still had the 'range officer' stickers on it

 

I dont know many clubs/organizations that don't publish some sort of quarterly or bi-annual financial report to its members to let them know

where and how "their money" is being spent.I finally joined after lurking for a couple of years and the membership went up i believe $50-$60 .

I dont see people whinning here ,what i see is some people who would like to have a more transparent Board.I for one think it's better all around if

the membership is able to see whats going on behind the scenes. if all is above board ,than that should not be a problem. If there are things that are

being hidden than there will be a problem. Im not a USPSA shooter but i would be if it was available at CR.

Clearly there is a communication problem between the board,administrators and the members. It took 7 months to get my membership ID. Thats beyond a realistic

wait time. Closed doors tend to raise suspicion.

Saying that CR is a target may be true,however any and all things related to firearms in this state is a target.

 

I like to know where my membership money is being spent, whether its at CR or a sailing club. I dont see why thats a problem.

Really? That's what you got from what's been said so far? I know you're old and grumpy and you think that gives you a free pass on making insulting douchebag comments all the time, but you may need to go back to school and work on your reading comprehension.

 

Pete - You obviously haven't read my post in this topic where I tried to explain why I see CR running like they do. And when you accuse me of making "insulting douchebag" comments? I have little tolerence for those who are followers and can't think for themselves. You either accept your lot in life or make and effort to change it constructively.

 

Pete- You and I don't have a beef. Just accept that people see things from different prespectives.

Pete- You and I don't have a beef. Just accept that people see things from different prespectives.

On this, we agree.

And you and your Old School attitude are just representative of the average 147 year old ANJRPC board member.

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Dan- I agree CR could use some change. But it's been there for 5 decades and change doesn't come easy. Secondly as I had previously mentioned it is there to serve the greatest portion of the membership.

 

Oh! and you guys are ruining my reputation...I won't sleep tonight,

Oh! and you guys are ruining my reputation...I won't sleep tonight,

 

That would imply that you regularly sleep at night. We know you are a vampire.

 

Really - is it appropriate to have a 7 year old advertisement on a website? By any stretch that's just absurd. They'd be better off with a GoDaddy parked webpage...

Dan- I agree CR could use some change. But it's been there for 5 decades and change doesn't come easy. Secondly as I had previously mentioned it is there to serve the greatest portion of the membership.

 

Excuse me, the government has been here 200+ years and they change regularly... For the worse, but they change...

I would argue that the LACK of change in NJ's governing body is exactly why we are in such a crappy state...

The Board of ANJRPC is amazingly easy to compare with NJ government

Here's the scoop on the changes:

 

They are adding 10 new ports to the pistol range. The new ports will have a partition to separate them from the current HG range. They will, in effect, operate as two separate ranges. Meaning that they will each have their own separate cease-fires, target changes, etc.... The new ports will have a maximum range of 25-35 yards due the reduced land area (nothing they can do about this). It will be available for use by members. It is NOT for police only. The reason they are adding the ports is that there are some events, like 2x4 or police qualifications, that force them to shut down the entire range for safety reasons. Since these ports are separated by a partition, people can still come and shoot while these events take place. There are more changes coming to CR, but no word on what they are (as in "it's really happening this time").

Thanks for the update, TS

I like the idea of 2 seperate pistol ranges.

Nick- There's just a bunch of whining cry babies that want their own personal range with out paying for it.

Of course there paying for it at the new rates an adult pays $0.67 usd (sixty seven cents) a day (360 usable days)

"they are" or" their"

I like the idea of 2 seperate pistol ranges.

 

Now all they need to do is add four walls, a roof, lighting and ventilation to the smaller one

Now all they need to do is add four walls, a roof, lighting and ventilation to the smaller one

 

Heat man - you forgot heat (in the winter).