Assume the following:

 

- Using this bag in NJ.

- All magazine pouches will be filled, with loaded magazines.

- Handgun, without magazine and unloaded will be in the insert part of the case.

- No "handgun" lock on the gun itself or thru the camber, etc.

- No locking of the pouch/case itself, it's just "closed and fastened via the zipper.

- Transporting to the range via a pick-up truck, with access cab.

 

 

 

http://www.midwayusa...polyester-black

 

 

Would this be NJ legal or not?

D.

The firearm is unloaded

E.

The firearm is not directly accessible from the passenger compartment of the vehicle

F.

The ammunition is not directly accessible from the passenger compartment of the vehicle

G.

If the vehicle does not have a compartment separate from the passenger compartment, the firearm and ammunition must be in a locked container other than the vehicle's glove compartment or console;

 

 

Based on those...I would say no.

http://www.njsp.org/about/fire_trans.html

So, basically, I could take that entire bag (as described in my 1st post) and place the entire thing in a locked container and be legal.

D.

The firearm is unloaded

E.

The firearm is not directly accessible from the passenger compartment of the vehicle

F.

The ammunition is not directly accessible from the passenger compartment of the vehicle

G.

If the vehicle does not have a compartment separate from the passenger compartment, the firearm and ammunition must be in a locked container other than the vehicle's glove compartment or console;

 

 

Based on those...I would say no.

 

Those are guidelines, the Statutes say this. Nothing about locks or compartments that arent seperate from the driver compartment, etc.... Also nothing about "locks", they just have to be in a box, case, or tied package.. OR locked in the trunk.

 

g.All weapons being transported under paragraph (2) of subsection b., subsection e., or paragraph (1) or (3) of subsection f. of this section shall be carried unloaded and contained in a closed and fastened case, gunbox, securely tied package, or locked in the trunk of the automobile in which it is being transported, and in the course of travel shall include only such deviations as are reasonably necessary under the circumstances.

What about in the bed of the truck?

What about in the bed of the truck?

 

 

I'd think that would be more a liability than anything else. I don't have a cover or enclosed bed, so keeping firearms/ammo there would be pretty crazy to do.

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  Shall be carried unloaded and contained in a closed and fastened case, gunbox, securely tied package, or locked in the trunk of the automobile in which it is being transported, and in the course of travel, shall include only such deviations as are reasonably necessary under the circumstances.
  
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  The firearm should not be directly accessible from the passenger compartment of the vehicle. If the vehicle does not have a compartment separate from the passenger compartment, the firearm and ammunition must be in a locked container other than the vehicle's glove compartment or console.
  

I keep my handguns in handgun bags that are zippered shut. They are then put in with the ammo and magazines inside a zippered bag just like yours.

 

If you were to open my bag you wind find the new ammo boxes, loaded magazines and moon clips, but would not see a gun unless you opened the handgun bags too.

 

If I am bringing a lot of stuff I then have two bags, one with guns, one with ammo. Same deal, handguns are in bags, don't want them banging into each other!

How do you transport firearms?

A6.

Firearms shall be carried unloaded and contained in a closed and fastened case, gunbox, securely tied package, or locked in the trunk of the automobile in which it is being transported.

Ammunition must be transported in a separate container and locked in the trunk of the automobile in which it is being transported.If the vehicle does not have a compartment separate from the passenger compartment, the firearm must be in a locked container other than the vehicle's glove compartment or console.

How do you transport firearms?

A6.

Firearms shall be carried unloaded and contained in a closed and fastened case, gunbox, securely tied package, or locked in the trunk of the automobile in which it is being transported.

Ammunition must be transported in a separate container and locked in the trunk of the automobile in which it is being transported.If the vehicle does not have a compartment separate from the passenger compartment, the firearm must be in a locked container other than the vehicle's glove compartment or console.

 

The link you keep quoting is not from the law. It's the AG's guidelines, not the law. When I'm charged with a crime, how do you note on the arrest report that I've violated an AG guideline?

 

Please note for the record that the bolded part above is NOT stated in the law, anywhere. The AG can't go around making up the law no matter how much they may like to try.

So...we transport handguns and unloaded Mags. in a bag very similar to the one shown also all ammo is locked in the tool box in the bed of the pick-up.....and would meet the criteria as stated.

Bark, this is the law:

 

2C:39-6 g.All weapons being transported under paragraph (2) of subsection b., subsection e., or paragraph (1) or (3) of subsection f. of this section shall be carried unloaded and contained in a closed and fastened case, gunbox, securely tied package, or locked in the trunk of the automobile in which it is being transported, and in the course of travel shall include only such deviations as are reasonably necessary under the circumstances.

 

Can't get more clear then that. Anything else you do , like putting locks on or putting ammo in a seperate bag with a guard dog attached is all up to you. It certainly wouldn't hurt, but it is above and beyond what the law calls for.

the lack of knowledge in regards to law is scary..

 

the LAW says (as already pointed out) closed or fastened container..

THE END.. nothing more.. nothing less...

 

Dan answered the actual question..

Bark, this is the law:

 

 

 

Can't get more clear then that. Anything else you do , like putting locks on or putting ammo in a seperate bag with a guard dog attached is all up to you. It certainly wouldn't hurt, but it is above and beyond what the law calls for.

the lack of knowledge in regards to law is scary..

 

the LAW says (as already pointed out) closed or fastened container..

THE END.. nothing more.. nothing less...

 

Dan answered the actual question..

 

 

So, based on this, do you guys believe this would be legal in NJ?

 

- Using this bag in NJ.

- All magazine pouches will be filled, with loaded magazines.

- Handgun, without magazine and unloaded will be in the insert part of the case.

- No "handgun" lock on the gun itself or thru the camber, etc.

- No locking of the pouch/case itself, it's just "closed and fastened via the zipper.

- Transporting to the range via a pick-up truck, with access cab.

Beat me to it. 2C:39-6 (g)

So, based on this, do you guys believe this would be legal in NJ?

 

- Using this bag in NJ.

- All magazine pouches will be filled, with loaded magazines.

- Handgun, without magazine and unloaded will be in the insert part of the case.

- No "handgun" lock on the gun itself or thru the camber, etc.

- No locking of the pouch/case itself, it's just "closed and fastened via the zipper.

- Transporting to the range via a pick-up truck, with access cab.

 

you just have to read the law.. literally...

 

 

2C:39-6 g.All weapons being transported under paragraph (2) of subsection b., subsection e., or paragraph (1) or (3) of subsection f. of this section shall be carried unloaded and contained in a closed and fastened case, gunbox, securely tied package, or locked in the trunk of the automobile in which it is being transported, and in the course of travel shall include only such deviations as are reasonably necessary under the circumstances.

 

closed and fastened case..

gunbox

tied package

OR locked in trunk

 

PERIOD.. that is the LAW..

So, based on this, do you guys believe this would be legal in NJ?

 

- Using this bag in NJ.

- All magazine pouches will be filled, with loaded magazines.

- Handgun, without magazine and unloaded will be in the insert part of the case.

- No "handgun" lock on the gun itself or thru the camber, etc.

- No locking of the pouch/case itself, it's just "closed and fastened via the zipper.

- Transporting to the range via a pick-up truck, with access cab.

 

IANAL... but IMO legal according to the statute rules of transportation.

I interpret that as allowing that case to be legal in NJ, based on what I listed how it was to be used.

I like the attached gaurd dog. That bag and the way you described using it meets the law. The AG can kiss our collective butts.

I agree with the others. Under 2C:39-6g

 

- Using this bag in NJ

1. - All magazine pouches will be filled, with loaded magazines.

2. - Handgun, without magazine and unloaded will be in the insert part of the case.

3. - No "handgun" lock on the gun itself or thru the camber, etc.

4. - No locking of the pouch/case itself, it's just "closed and fastened via the zipper.

5. - Transporting to the range via a pick-up truck, with access cab.

 

 

1. Ammunition/magazines not specifically mentioned. Mags loaded with ammo (not in a gun) does not make a loaded gun.

2. Unloaded, in a case

3. Not required

4. Closed and fastened.

5. In a closed and fastened case, you're good.

 

Now, if you were to get stopped and searched don't expect to be let go, but you are within the law. IANAL.

I guess to lessen the concerns and risks, whether I need to legally or not, I could always just plop this bad into this ammo case and lock it.

 

 

 

I guess to lessen the concerns and risks,

 

complying with laws that do not exist do not make you any safer..

If an officer stops your vehicle (routine traffic stop) and spots the gun bag when he approaches, does that give him/her probable cause to search the vehicle?

 

My concern is that if you're going to keep the firearm and ammo in the cab, it may be a better idea to lock the bag in a box.

 

Opinions?

What is this? with access cab.

 

 

I just noticed this in another thread but I believe it applies: http://natebloch.com/index.html?thedoctorvisit.html

 

 

Vlad- do you agree?

If an officer stops your vehicle (routine traffic stop) and spots the gun bag when he approaches, does that give him/her probable cause to search the vehicle?

 

My concern is that if you're going to keep the firearm and ammo in the cab, it may be a better idea to lock the bag in a box.

 

Opinions?

 

complying with non existent laws affords you no additional protection..

 

placing your hands on your head and keeping them there till otherwise told might make the officer feel more comfortable.. but it is ridiculous..

legally transporting a firearm should in no way create probable cause to search?

What is this? with access cab.

 

 

I just noticed this in another thread but I believe it applies: http://natebloch.com...octorvisit.html

 

 

Vlad- do you agree?

 

 

Access cab meaning I have back doors on the truck, but not where people would sit. It's more of an accessable storage area.

complying with non existent laws affords you no additional protection..

 

placing your hands on your head and keeping them there till otherwise told might make the officer feel more comfortable.. but it is ridiculous..

legally transporting a firearm should in no way create probable cause to search?

 

In this case, I respectfully disagree. If I was transporting a firearm in the cab of a pickup truck, I would personally feel safer to secure the contents in a lockable container that is bolted down to deter any prying eyes and/or possible theft if I had to leave the vehicle for whatever circumstance that may arise.

 

So, let me clarify: It's not about complying with non-existant laws but possibly avoiding an escalated situation if one was to get pulled over. My concern is if an officer would act differently (any LEOs care to chime in?) if they spotted a firearm bag in the cabin of a vehicle during a traffic stop.

Access cab meaning I have back doors on the truck, but not where people would sit. It's more of an accessable storage area.

 

If you're really concerned and it appears you are. herte's what I would do. If you don't want a locking cross-over box, which can get pricey.

 

Mount a large ammo can,,,http://www.ammocans.net/ that is lockable. Put two or four thread-serts in you bed and you can put your range bag right in there. Water proof and descrete.