Looking for a "military grade" or "combat grade" optic.

Or... at least highly durable.

 

Does anyone know of a 1-4x or 2-4x optic which retails for this price range?

 

I can't afford, or justify a $600-1500 ACOG, as much as I would like one.

 

 

Not interested in "just wait until you can afford it," or cheapo wannabe optics like VORTEX.

Define military grade. There isn't a large list of military issued variable power optics out there and none of those are in that price range. You might be able to get a aimpoint red dot for that price.

I really really liked the Burris MTAC @ SHOT. I will be using one on my run n gun AR.

I've been looking at the Leatherwood CMR for my AR build.

 

http://hi-luxoptics.com/product/riflescopes/tactical-scopes/cmr-series/

 

Check out the MAC video at the bottom of the page...that guy could sell ice to Eskimo's. The street price is in the low $300 range. Works as a red-dot as well as a 4x scope.

In short, no. I dont even think you could find a used discontinued accupoint TR21 in that price range.............

Good suggestions.

 

"Military Grade" to me simply means Very rugged.

 

I'm looking for something with the 1x eye relief of a Red Dot, yet capable of zooming to 3/4x.

In short, no. I dont even think you could find a used discontinued accupoint TR21 in that price range.............

 

What would you recommend, if I maybe spent 100-200 more?

DVOR has the Trijicon Accupoint 1, -4x24 for $685. That's about the cheapest I've seen for something like that.

http://www.grscinc.com

I think it boils down to two options. The triji Accupoint which has a proven track record and the SWFA SS(which by all reports seems highly durable as well). Each having a trade off. The triji advantage is its daylight brightness but it has no holdovers or exposed knobs to dial elevation. The SWFA has very nice ret options but its not nearly as bright in stark daylight. I think this would translate into the SWFA is more precise, the accupoint faster in daylight. It probably could be argued that this is splitting hairs. I know there are those that favor meopta but I dont have much experience with these so I dont know their price points. However, dont forget you ned a mount which will also add cost....

I think it boils down to two options. The triji Accupoint which has a proven track record and the SWFA SS(which by all reports seems highly durable as well). Each having a trade off. The triji advantage is its daylight brightness but it has no holdovers or exposed knobs to dial elevation. The SWFA has very nice ret options but its not nearly as bright in stark daylight. I think this would translate into the SWFA is more precise, the accupoint faster in daylight. It probably could be argued that this is splitting hairs. I know there are those that favor meopta but I dont have much experience with these so I dont know their price points. However, dont forget you ned a mount which will also add cost....

 

How is fast target aquisition with these "scope-style" optics?

(excuse the terminology)

 

I was hoping for something akin to an Aimpoint M4.

More... Red Dot-ish.

Nice, large eye relief, with adjustable zoom capabilities.

Get a used Aimpioint or Eotech. As far as for what you are looking for you'll need to pay more or compromise.

 

Btw, i'm selling my Eotech in a few days or week - watch out for that in the Market section (shameless plug ;-)) Details will be posted but not in this thread.

An option is a rds such as an aimpoint or eotech as mentioned and add a magnifier down the road as funds alow. That setup doesnt blow my personal skirt up but I know many who successfuly run that setup. Another option is to get a good used acog now and add red dot to it later as funds allow. As I always say optics is a world of compromise at every tunr and its a deep deep rabbit hole to chase down....

Waste... i have been looking at the GRSC scope. Interesting and easy to use. I just am wary of the construction. Do you have any first hand experience with them?

I was on the waiting list for the first batch, but bought and ACOG instead. There is a 60 page thread on AR15.com. I know he had guys overseas testing these.

I still considering buy one for one of my other rifles.

. Another option is to get a good used acog now and add red dot to it later as funds allow.

 

Shane, could you please expound on this?

I understand the ACOG part (obviously).

How do I "add" a Red Dot to an ACOG?

 

Thanks

Also,

 

ACOG recommendations for $500-ish?

 

EDIT: I see some listings on Ebay that are currently around $500... but doubt they will end at that price.

 

Some of the acog scopes have a location to mount an RMR red dot on them: http://swfa.com/Trijicon-ACOGRMR-Combos-C4196.aspx and no you can't find an ACOG for $500.

How about AIMPOINT?

How about it? They are red dots not amplified scopes.

 

The better questions is what do you want this optic to do?

How about this one....

 

http://www.oakhillenterprises.com/ItemDetails/700653074/Burris_MTAC_1_5_6x42mm_ILL_Ballistic_CQ_NE.htm

 

Within your price range. Well respected optics company. Nice range of adjustment w/illum reticle. Same vendor has Burris' P.E.P.R. mount. Just a thought. May not be milspec, but they make decent optics. Founders of Burris were former Leupold employees. They have been around for quite a while now. I have two of their pistol scopes (one mounted on a .44 mag) that have withstood the test of time and use.

 

Good luck.

 

Adios,

 

Pizza Bob

Not sure if you consider Vortex to be "Military-grade" but these are solid optics.

http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.php/sights-optics/vortex/vortex-viper-pst-1-4x24-tmcq-moa-retical.html

How about this one....

 

http://www.oakhillen...istic_CQ_NE.htm

 

Within your price range. Well respected optics company. Nice range of adjustment w/illum reticle. Same vendor has Burris' P.E.P.R. mount. Just a thought. May not be milspec, but they make decent optics. Founders of Burris were former Leupold employees. They have been around for quite a while now. I have two of their pistol scopes (one mounted on a .44 mag) that have withstood the test of time and use.

 

Good luck.

 

Adios,

 

Pizza Bob

 

Great suggestion Pizza Bob. I'm going to do some more research on this unit.

 

I've been scouring ebay for some good deals.

$500-600 will get me a fixed magnification ACOG (4x32).

Some are last generation, but in good condition.

Great suggestion Pizza Bob. I'm going to do some more research on this unit.

 

I've been scouring ebay for some good deals.

$500-600 will get me a fixed magnification ACOG (4x32).

Some are last generation, but in good condition.

 

Be careful of counterfiets and knock-offs

Also be ware of actual mil bring backs as Triji will not cover mil property under warr for non mil personel. In other wordsa they consider them all stolen.

Be careful of counterfiets and knock-offs

 

+1

 

fAcogs are indeed out there being sold at "great" prices.

I think the closes you can get with your budget would be RDS like Aimpoint H1 or R1. With new version coming out, I've seen last year models hitting the rock bottom price. As you know Aimpoint micros are near bomb proof and the battery life is like on for two years. I have heard really great things about Leatherwood 1x4 but I don't know about its toughness

Also be ware of actual mil bring backs as Triji will not cover mil property under warr for non mil personel. In other wordsa they consider them all stolen.

 

Interesting... I was about to bid on a Military bring-back....

 

Seems like a "good deal" because includes Leupold scope.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/270926334625?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649#ht_500wt_898

 

 

Thank you.

Looks like junk in that auction to me. Repainted god knows what acog and the cheapest leupy out there, my advice...pass.

Looks like junk in that auction to me. Repainted god knows what acog and the cheapest leupy out there, my advice...pass.

 

I passed. Auction ended pretty high....

 

Passed after I emailed seller for ACOG serial#, and got no response.

 

There was a sweet TA01NSN that went for $700's... retail is $1200.

 

I'm not ready to spend that much yet, but at least I know there are deals to be found.