I am so annoyed. My wife wants to get her FID so she asked a friend today to be a reference. Her friend starts to berate her as to how awful guns are and how kids get killed by teir parents guns, blah blah blah. She was bitching about the NRA and how their existence is wrong. Needless to say she will not be a reference. We have more to ask. My wife doesn't know much about this stuff so she really couldn't trounce her friend. If I was there I could have at least battled some what but I have a lot to learn myself.

 

It just burns me up that people are so quick to toss aside a fundamental right just because they don't like it. Wait until NJ bans library books with an exemption of reading only in your house and transporting to and from the library locked in the trunk. Will they realize it then?

I am so annoyed. My wife wants to get her FID so she asked a friend today to be a reference. Her friend starts to berate her as to how awful guns are and how kids get killed by teir parents guns, blah blah blah. She was bitching about the NRA and how their existence is wrong. Needless to say she will not be a reference. We have more to ask. My wife doesn't know much about this stuff so she really couldn't trounce her friend. If I was there I could have at least battled some what but I have a lot to learn myself.

 

It just burns me up that people are so quick to toss aside a fundamental right just because they don't like it. Wait until NJ bans library books with an exemption of reading only in your house and transporting to and from the library locked in the trunk. Will they realize it then?

 

In the end the first amendment will always be the most important amendment of them all, and people have the right to use it. Although I also have that right to say that the number of said amendment is higher than the IQ of said reference

 

It's like how O&A were reading FCC Complaints about the MIA incident flipping off the camera at the Super Bowl Halftime show, and one person complained about "Madonna flipping everyone off." Yep, nothing says "I was paying attention and am offended" like mixing up which person flipped the bird.

I am so annoyed. My wife wants to get her FID so she asked a friend today to be a reference. Her friend starts to berate her as to how awful guns are and how kids get killed by teir parents guns, blah blah blah. She was bitching about the NRA and how their existence is wrong. Needless to say she will not be a reference. We have more to ask. My wife doesn't know much about this stuff so she really couldn't trounce her friend. If I was there I could have at least battled some what but I have a lot to learn myself.

 

It just burns me up that people are so quick to toss aside a fundamental right just because they don't like it. Wait until NJ bans library books with an exemption of reading only in your house and transporting to and from the library locked in the trunk. Will they realize it then?

 

trying to talk sense into Antigunners is akin to teaching a Pig to Whistle..in the end all you're going to do is frustrate yourself, and annoy the Pig.

Your wife needs a new friend. I am sure this friend of hers will be the one banning books if she sees fit to do so in her twisted sheeple view.

 

Educate your wife not to be shocked when she finds that most of her friends have been brainwashed by the anti gun mentality of this state..........you can make the same argument against the car your wife`s friend drives ...etc....but she wont listen to that since the number of kids killed by their parents car is not on the news every single day over and over.......................

 

20 years ago i was caught in the middle of one of the worst civil wars in Europe

and before the war a lot of people had the mentality of your wife`s friend.

That quickly changed overnight when the mayhem started.............you can`t change the anti`s mind until the SHTF and even after that so just educate your wife properly and find a better reference.

I actually looked this up:

 

in 2007, 13,041 people died of drunk driving related car accidents.

 

In 2007, 12,632 people died of gun-related homicide.

 

I'm sure the numbers fluctuate each year, but you get my point.

Thanks for the responses. Anti gunners won't even believe the numbers

Thanks for the responses. Anti gunners won't even believe the numbers

 

Try this free book also :

 

http://gunfacts.info/pdfs/gun-facts/6.0/Gun-Facts-v6.0-screen.pdf

Thanks for the responses. Anti gunners won't even believe the numbers

 

THEY can use all the massaged numbers they want...Like including Drive-by's, gang shootings, police Shootings of "Children" up to the age of 26 to try and prove THEIR points..but when you use actual numbers you're just being Mean and Insensitive. Treat Anti-gunners like you would ANYONE who has a Mental illness. nod, Smile, and ignore the rantings.

I actually looked this up:

 

in 2007, 13,041 people died of drunk driving related car accidents.

 

In 2007, 12,632 people died of gun-related homicide.

 

I'm sure the numbers fluctuate each year, but you get my point.

 

Dive into the numbers more and show how many of the gun-related homicides were but people who were not supposed to have guns in the first place and I think it will tell even a bigger and better story.

Dive into the numbers more and show how many of the gun-related homicides were but people who were not supposed to have guns in the first place and I think it will tell even a bigger and better story.

 

The big one is to remove suicides from the equation. Once they are removed, then the numbers are relatively miniscule.

The big one is to remove suicides from the equation. Once they are removed, then the numbers are relatively miniscule.

 

Yeah, the number of suicides are higher than homicide in terms of gun relation.

 

Also, I found a picture of your wife's friend online!

 

just explain to her that the only reason the first amendment is still around is because of the 2nd amendment.

Thank you all for the resources. It has been somewhat of a tough road with families that do not support us in the least with this. Never the less we forge ahead

Thank you all for the resources. It has been somewhat of a tough road with families that do not support us in the least with this. Never the less we forge ahead

 

Well keep going the way you are and get your FID's P2P's and stock up on Guns and ammo and let the SHTF and see who they all come to..

In the long run you just have to find another reference.

The blah blah blah (hopefully) meant nothing to your wife's determination.

 

I hear the venting and feel the pain, but it means nothing really. Maybe that is not true; The bright side is that she asked first and found out who NOT to send a reference letter too.

 

Kudos for being on point and asking first.

One thing I came to realize is that pro-gun is a logical conclusion and a responsible decision.

Anti-gun is an IDEOLOGY founded on fear and misinformation. Being that it is indeed an

IDEOLOGY much like a religion you cannot "convert" or convince an anti-gun person that a

gun can in fact be owned responsibly and safely. Gun owners will get frustrated debating

the matter with someone who is anti-gun because you're talking to someone who is more or

less using completely fabricated information or they may use actual data but in an very skewed

and illogical manner.

 

I don't really get into the whole "Well anything can be used as a weapon, more people die driving,

type of debate." The fact of the matter is in this present world which is far from a utopia you

simply cannot be truly anti-gun. Meaning that anti-gun people would not want to see law enforcement

or military or this country in its entirety be stripped of firearms. Why? Because the fact is there are

people out there that we need to defend ourselves against. When a crazy man is shooting up a

school or public building believe me EVERYONE in that building is PRO GUN at that moment

and wish they were armed. It's just a matter of survival. Anti-gun people for some reason cannot

fathom that law abiding civilians can also safely own firearms and have a need for protection the

same way law enforcement and military do.

 

Sometimes when you present this to anti-gun people they will say: Well that's why there should be

no guns period on the Earth then no one can shoot up a building or something STUPID like that.

Basically it's like this: THAT IS A FANTASY, I LIVE IN REALITY. Guns are here they are not going

anywhere. Welcome to planet Earth.

One thing I came to realize is that pro-gun is a logical conclusion and a responsible decision.

Anti-gun is an IDEOLOGY founded on fear and misinformation. Being that it is indeed an

IDEOLOGY much like a religion you cannot "convert" or convince an anti-gun person that a

gun can in fact be owned responsibly and safely. Gun owners will get frustrated debating

the matter with someone who is anti-gun because you're talking to someone who is more or

less using completely fabricated information or they may use actual data but in an very skewed

and illogical manner.

 

You cannot use logic and reason to change the mind of someone who did not use logic and reason to arrive at their opinion.

It is also why people smarter than myself need to formulate effective emotion based arguments that will bring more women over to our side in the 2nd Amendment debate (i.e. protecting the children and family, etc). Because (and I am willing to accept the inevitable shitstorm) a high percentage of women make their decisions based on emotional reasons rather than logical ones.

Well keep going the way you are and get your FID's P2P's and stock up on Guns and ammo and let the SHTF and see who they all come to..

EXACTLY!!

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It's good that your wife found out what her friend really thinks ahead of time. It reminds me of my neighbor.

 

My neighbor actually said he doesn't like guns, but if something bad really happens, he knows where to go. I told him that he didn't have a gun because deep down, he knew he couldn't trust himself with one. So, I told him if SHTF I agreed with him and didn't trust him either.

 

Anti-gunners are either really clueless and are afraid of what they don't understand, or they don't trust themselves with a gun so they believe that everyone is not trustworthy. This really comes from the progressive mind that believes in big government because it is not capable of taking care of itself.

you should take her to a range, let her hear gun for hire radio, talk to her about home invasions and how the police cannot be every where all the time... i used to be an anti, these things changed my mind, and im now 1000% pro gun, i even converted and helped friends with the permit process, and picking out guns...

If I was there I could have at least battled some what but I have a lot to learn myself.

 

Don't waste your time. Anti gunners are boobs who will just drag you down to their level, then beat you with their hands on experience at bed wetting and crying for mommy.

you should take her to a range, let her hear gun for hire radio, talk to her about home invasions and how the police cannot be every where all the time... i used to be an anti, these things changed my mind, and im now 1000% pro gun, i even converted and helped friends with the permit process, and picking out guns...

 

This is what I would love to do but you are probably a diamond in the rough. First the person would need to be open to having their mind changed. If they are not open to that then there is no use.

I am so annoyed. My wife wants to get her FID so she asked a friend today to be a reference. Her friend starts to berate her as to how awful guns are and how kids get killed by teir parents guns, blah blah blah. She was bitching about the NRA and how their existence is wrong. Needless to say she will not be a reference. We have more to ask. My wife doesn't know much about this stuff so she really couldn't trounce her friend. If I was there I could have at least battled some what but I have a lot to learn myself.

 

It just burns me up that people are so quick to toss aside a fundamental right just because they don't like it. Wait until NJ bans library books with an exemption of reading only in your house and transporting to and from the library locked in the trunk. Will they realize it then?

 

Wow - I don't believe we have any friends that would do that. As a matter of fact, I don't have any friends that are anti-gun. The anti-gun crowd will turn pro-gun real quick if the SHTF.

its funny, going to the the range one tine with my brother and his best friend is what really changed my mind, i was bored they invited me, and we had a blast, now i own more handguns, rifles, and go to the range more often than they do! they created a monster, it happened with one range trip! anything is possible, whats the worst that can happen? she wont like it thats all....

Wow - I don't believe we have any friends that would do that. As a matter of fact, I don't have any friends that are anti-gun. The anti-gun crowd will turn pro-gun real quick if the SHTF.

 

I totally agree!

its funny, going to the the range one tine with my brother and his best friend is what really changed my mind, i was bored they invited me, and we had a blast, now i own more handguns, rifles, and go to the range more often than they do! they created a monster, it happened with one range trip! anything is possible, whats the worst that can happen? she wont like it thats all....

That very possibly could be the case, but its getting someone like this to go. I unfortunately wasn't there. My wife is a psychologist and she is incredibly patient went it comes to discussing things so if she was riled up it had to be bad. She does not give up but she said it was a lost cause. We move on to other friends.

Wow - I don't believe we have any friends that would do that. As a matter of fact, I don't have any friends that are anti-gun. The anti-gun crowd will turn pro-gun real quick if the SHTF.

 

I have anti-gun friends who have referred for me, LOL.

 

If you think about it, if you are anti-gun and your responsible friend wants you to refer them, why turn them down? At least you know the gun is going to someone who will responsibly handle it. Logic seems kind of flawed from the wife's friend in the OP.

Logic seems kind of flawed from the wife's friend in the OP.

 

There's your problem.

 

Logic doesn't fit into the very anti's thinking. They think that guns are innately evil and corrupt anyone who uses one.

My wife is a psychologist ...

 

Is her friend also?