Hello,

I am looking for someone out where that might be able to help me make my Saiga shot gun stand out. I was looking around and thinking of adding a mak90 type thumbhole stock. I was also looking for an oversized charging handle to make it one of a kind. Anyone know of any shops in jersey that might be able to help me make it one of a kind. Please let me know thanks!

_{i would be careful...NJ does NOT differntiate from a thumbhole stock and a pistol grip...they might have a problem there. I thought about it with mine, but reconsidered becuse of that}

you basically can not do anything with that gun legally..

 

you could use an oversized bolt on Tromix charging handle..

you could polish up the internals and bolt carrier to make it smoother..

you could weld on some HK sights..

 

but when it comes to things like thumbhole you are shit out of luck..

Can i add a forward grip to it? And still be legal??

nope

I don't see anything where it says you can't. I see the part about the pistol grip but nothing about a front vertial grip.

the rule for pistol grip is a well defined handle directly beneath the action allowing the shooter to hold and fire with one hand..

 

a forward vertical grip is IMO NOT a pistol grip as it is not beneath the action of the weapon.. it would IMO be legal...

but unless it is a drum fed S12 (which you can not have) you probably don't need it..

So a thumbhole stock is now a pistol grip? I know PAP stocks don't fit on saiga's but if it did that would be considered a pistol grip?

So a thumbhole stock is now a pistol grip? I know PAP stocks don't fit on saiga's but if it did that would be considered a pistol grip?

 

To you, me, and probably most anyone else...no it is not. But the syntax does not say "pistol grip" it says a "well defined handle directly underneath the action...". A pistol grip meets this criteria and technically, so could a thumbhole stock.

 

I'm sorely tempted to use the skeleton stock that came with my s308 as the grip is only partially underneath the action and more behind it. In the end though, I really have no desire to be the test case for this in a court of law.

 

I am thinking about adding some rails for my front handguard on the s12 and mounting a vertical grip there as well.

So a thumbhole stock is now a pistol grip? I know PAP stocks don't fit on saiga's but if it did that would be considered a pistol grip?

 

you tell me..

 

http://njgunforums.com/forum/index.php?/topic/29389-nj-law-summary-read-first-nj-gun-law-faqs/

 

z. "Pistol grip" means a well-defined handle, similar to that found on a handgun, that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon, and which permits the shotgun to be held and fired with one hand.

 

I would say by that definition.. yes..

I am going to do the front vertical grip on it to see if it makes getting back on target faster when shooting knockdown steel.

 

Either-way, I just love shooting steel with that gun! I think I have 10 or maybe 12 mags now for it. Load them all up, lay them all out on the table, they need to put up more steel targets for me. I think the largest stage had 30 targets and I easily knockdown 2 per shot. Some stages have a line of targets setup that if you get the right angle you will knock all five down with one shot. Like I said, shooting steel is a BLAST with the Saiga-12!

shooting steel ANYTHING is a BLAST with the Saiga-12!

 

+1.. I agree...

 

lol

Ugh that's such bs. I was really planning on getting another saiga in .410 and using some type of thumbole stock with a G2 to make it my hunting weapon.

Ugh that's such bs. I was really planning on getting another saiga in .410 and using some type of thumbole stock with a G2 to make it my hunting weapon.

 

that you DEFINITELY can not do.. because with a pushed forward fire control group.. the pistol grip .. er.. thumbhole stock.. would DEFINITELY be beneath the action...

You're absolutly correct, the stock would be partly under the action. But it still would not be conspicuous IMHO and thats what I'm basing my argument on.

 

I honestly don't mind the factory stock, In fact for giggles while I was converting my .223 I threw on the warsaw stock and left the stock FCG and it actually make it even more comfy with the short LOP.

 

My issue is the terrible trigger, specially on a hunting weapon. percision is needed.

You're absolutly correct, the stock would be partly under the action. But it still would not be conspicuous IMHO and thats what I'm basing my argument on.

 

 

I am certainly not a judge.. lawyer.. or firearms expert.. but let me save you the trouble.. if you put a thumbhole stock like that on a shotgun.. you are DEFINITELY asking for trouble in NJ.. and based on the several conversations I have personally had.. and others have had with the NJSP.. they would without question consider that a pistol grip..

 

it may sound nuts.. but I am just telling you what I have been informed..

That's a shame that 12 looks so good with the stock on it.You have to Love NJ

What if u did a bullpup conversion the trigger and grip are like 8 inches infront of the action

http://www.kushnapup.com/

Good loophole! I never thought of that!

For 200 bucks.its not a bad deal, I wish they showed the side the ejection slot is. I have seen a lot of bad byllpup conversions... That is way nicer lookin and better manufactured

Would the kushnapup be legal. I like that look a lot.

Why wouldn't it by by definition the handle isn't petruding from under the action but in the same area as a fore grip would be

bullpup is actually a good idea.. I feel like they would not like it.. but would it be legal.. I honestly don't know..

is the gas piston part of the "action"... where does the "action" of the gun stop?

interesting idea..

That's a sweet idea woudl it be Jersey legal is the million dollar question

in talking about this in chat tonight something dawned on me.. is the fire control group part of the guns "action" if so bullpup would be a no go...

I'll call the njsp and ask during the week.

I'll call the njsp and ask during the week.

 

LOL will you 3 way call with me.. I want to listen when you tell them what you want to do with your Russian magazine fed semi auto shotgun.. LOL

Lmao, ill email them to and ask lmao.can't hurt

That kushnapup apparenty only works with unconverted saigas,... That means it's adding even more trigger linkage to an already crappy FGC. Probably making it even worse