<--- Not LEO... read my ranges.... and you'll get the picture of my line of work. I dont really care to respond to all of the posts but no I do not work for RayCo as far as I know its only the two owners that work there.

 

You were talking about .22 HPs... come on man train as you fight... well would protect your house. I use .45, 357sig and 9mm HPs and Frang ammo in my line of work.

 

Btw you do realize you are nitpicking the most cheaply produced ammo in the world right??

 

If you cant afford to the gas dont buy an SUV.

 

generally.. when you post on the internet...

post useless information..

get called on such useless info..

 

it is best just to crawl back into the hole you came out of..

 

 

 

I posted on their wall on facebook.. asking them about what hollowpoint ammo they sell...

you can still hear the crickets...

 

I have said it before.. no one is perfect.. but if you are going to be in a business.. know what you are talking about..

Hate to admit it, but I'm with Ray Ray on this one....

 

hahah this is very entertaining... thanks for the support

Drifter... what have done to earn support here. Your experience as a Vet gets you a thank you, my personal gratitidue and beer in the right situation. Here... you have to come with some knowledge and articulate it well or you will get slammed, hard. There are many vets on this board and the ones that have lost the "I have seen the elephant what have you ever done?" attitudes are some of the best member here. Sit back, keep your fingers off the keyboard for awhile and read.

 

HPs a 100% legal and if a store decided not to sell, that is their perogative. RayCo makes no bones about it, they want to deal in hunting firearms and not black rifles. I can see them making this decision as fitting into their paradigm. But to pass on the "...they are illegal" mantra BS, is wrong and should be identified for what it is. I like RayCo alot, but I know what I am getting their. same as with any of the other shops in the area. They deserve the -1 for this issue.

 

By the way, HPs out of .22lr are proven to be more accurate also. I have a ton of HP, I like the Win Dynapoints in some of the 22s I have owned. Especially bolt guns. Proven hunting round for small game, pest control and target shooting. Whats not to like... only the ignorance of some people concerning there usage.

One of the best fights I've been to. Thanks for the entertainment!

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Addition - to self defense use... I would suggest frangabile ammo vs hollowpoints in my opinion.

A couple years ago, I watched a TV show where they compared the wounds caused by FMJ, HP, and frangible. They shot a pig carcus with each and filmed it in slow motion. The FMJ went through and through, creating a connical would cavity. The HP went half-way through, expanded and created a cantalope-sized wound cavity. The frangible round made 20 lbs of ground sausage.

 

Since most accidental shootings on the range are direct-fire accidents and not ricochet accidents, I would prefer my neighbor NOT use frangible ammo. They are meat grinders.

I vote -1 on Rayco for their $50 transfer fees.

 

They do have great prices if you buy what they have in stock, what they can order for you, or if you order from Gun Genie.

But if you order something on your own and have it shipped there, they want $50 + NICS for the transfer.

 

I also vote -1 for lack of knowledge about NJ gun laws. They act like mindless victims of NJSP disinformation.

Good Morning All, Anyone who has been to our store knows that this young minded fellow is Wrong, We would never treat anyone like that, We all Know how Hollow Points are a touchy subject in this state, but the words Illegal never came out of my mouth, I told him they are to go home or to the range, When this young gentleman came into our store his attitude picked an argument between 3 of my customers that were here at the time, they were trying to make this gentleman a little more NJ Compliant aware. as the customers he was arguing with had 30+yrs of experience, This Gentleman that was 22yrs old has been buying handgun ammo (.22) for only a year, and I feel he felt he was being "attacked" but these other gentleman were just doing him a favor and furthering his knowedge. There is never been anybad feedback about us online, But it only takes 1 immature young man to start a problem that doesnt exsist. Thanks for our First ever Negative Feedback Sir.

I vote -1 on Rayco for their $50 transfer fees.

 

They do have great prices if you buy what they have in stock, what they can order for you, or if you order from Gun Genie.

But if you order something on your own and have it shipped there, they want $50 + NICS for the transfer.

 

I also vote -1 for lack of knowledge about NJ gun laws. They act like mindless victims of NJSP disinformation.

 

Our Transfer Fees have never change Transfer Fee $35+$15(NJ NIcs) 1 of the Cheapest in the State

Uh huh - then how about knowingly selling counterfeit EOTechs? $150 for a $40 china-made Airsoft clone that you don't know the quality of. There's laws against selling knockoff items.....

 

Oh yeah - can't delete my post and unfriend me here can you?

Rayco, I appreciate you taking the time to stand up and state your case. This speaks volumes to me and certainly sheds a different perspective on the incident in question.

$35.00 plus NICs is indeed one of the cheapest in the state. Thanks for clearing that up.

Hate to admit it, but I'm with Ray Ray on this one....

 

 

That is so cool!

 

Ray Ray needs that hammer for the next time he runs out of ammo.

Yup. That $35 + nics transfer fee gets a +1 from me.

Good Morning All, Anyone who has been to our store knows that this young minded fellow is Wrong, We would never treat anyone like that, We all Know how Hollow Points are a touchy subject in this state, but the words Illegal never came out of my mouth, I told him they are to go home or to the range, When this young gentleman came into our store his attitude picked an argument between 3 of my customers that were here at the time, they were trying to make this gentleman a little more NJ Compliant aware. as the customers he was arguing with had 30+yrs of experience, This Gentleman that was 22yrs old has been buying handgun ammo (.22) for only a year, and I feel he felt he was being "attacked" but these other gentleman were just doing him a favor and furthering his knowedge. There is never been anybad feedback about us online, But it only takes 1 immature young man to start a problem that doesnt exsist. Thanks for our First ever Negative Feedback Sir.

 

Respectfully, I have to disagree with you. I asked "do you have the Federal 36gr Copper Plated Hollowpoints?" when you grabbed 2 boxes of the 40gr LRN. Your reply was "Hollowpoints are illegal in NJ."

 

Also respectfully, the other gentlemen were not "furthering my knowledge." The older gentleman was telling another younger gentleman (probably mid to late twenties), that he must transport weapons in a locked container, and the ammo in a separate locked container. I merely said "the statute does not require that."

 

While it is true that I have had my FID for a short time, I have read 2C:39 and 2C:58 multiple times to ensure that I am in compliance with the law. Nowhere in 2C:39-6g does it state that the firearm must be in a locked container, nor does it mention ammunition at all, except to state that the "firearm must be unloaded."

$35.00 plus NICs is indeed one of the cheapest in the state.  Thanks for clearing that up.

shore shot does the same, $35 for transfers and $15 for nics, unless they changed the fees.Sent from my LG-P925 using Tapatalk

A number of shops does transfers for $25 + NICS.

Uh huh - then how about knowingly selling counterfeit EOTechs? $150 for a $40 china-made Airsoft clone that you don't know the quality of. There's laws against selling knockoff items.....

 

Oh yeah - can't delete my post and unfriend me here can you?

 

They won't answer that.

Our Transfer Fees have never change Transfer Fee $35+$15(NJ NIcs) 1 of the Cheapest in the State

 

I don't want to get into a fight, but that is not what you told me standing in your store. You wanted to charge me $150 to transfer 3 rifles on 1 NICS.

A number of shops does transfers for $25 + NICS.

 

That's pretty much the going rate for an independent FFL in South Jersey.

Fair being fair, most of the gun stores in SJ want $35 to even $45. Comparing apples to apples, $35 is at the lower end of the brick and morter rates.

shore shot does the same, $35 for transfers and $15 for nics, unless they changed the fees.Sent from my LG-P925 using Tapatalk

 

While thats a good price, I'd rather support businesses that support the forum that are the same or very comparable in pricing.

I think I will go out and buy (5) boxes of HP ammo from the first NJ store that I go in that has it in stock.

 

With internet sales of ammunition and guns, our local gun stores should be up on the laws, not into condescension and lecturing, and give the customer what he wants. I am always willing to try to make many of my purchases locally and pay a little more if I am not being gouged and if someone locally has what I want and treats me politely in the store.

 

About (3) years ago, my elderly mother went to buy a car and the rude salesperson told her to come back with her husband. She went across the street and bought a car at the other dealer, drove back over and politely said, "See, I didn't need my husband."

The bottom line is the guy didn't say I dont sell them, he said they are illegal which if he said that, is bad knowledge. Gun owners should not support a business that supplies bad knowledge of NJ gun laws. It leaves room for things to go seriously wrong for new gun owners if he is off on his knowledge on other gun laws.

I think I will go out and buy (5) boxes of HP ammo from the first NJ store that I go in that has it in stock.

 

With internet sales of ammunition and guns, our local gun stores should be up on the laws, not into condescension and lecturing, and give the customer what he wants. I am always willing to try to make many of my purchases locally and pay a little more if I am not being gouged and if someone locally has what I want and treats me politely in the store.

 

About (3) years ago, my elderly mother went to buy a car and the rude salesperson told her to come back with her husband. She went across the street and bought a car at the other dealer, drove back over and politely said, "See, I didn't need my husband."

 

I had a friend that did the same thing a few years back. The salesman told her "just pick out the color you want dearie and send your husband back and we will talk numbers". On the way out, she put her business card on the managers desk (she was a senior VP at Prudential) and said they would not be seeing her back there! What's up with these salespeople? Are they that smug or just stupid? I wonder what the commission was on a fully loaded Navigator? She ended up with an Escalade instead.

All I can say is this, They've always been nice to me when I'm in there. Even gave me a dozen or so life size zombie targets for free just becuase they were a little creased.

 

They've also done well by my buddy who's bought a few things from them including a kahr cw45.

Good Morning All, Anyone who has been to our store knows that this young minded fellow is Wrong, We would never treat anyone like that, We all Know how Hollow Points are a touchy subject in this state, but the words Illegal never came out of my mouth, I told him they are to go home or to the range, When this young gentleman came into our store his attitude picked an argument between 3 of my customers that were here at the time, they were trying to make this gentleman a little more NJ Compliant aware. as the customers he was arguing with had 30+yrs of experience, This Gentleman that was 22yrs old has been buying handgun ammo (.22) for only a year, and I feel he felt he was being "attacked" but these other gentleman were just doing him a favor and furthering his knowedge. There is never been anybad feedback about us online, But it only takes 1 immature young man to start a problem that doesnt exsist. Thanks for our First ever Negative Feedback Sir.

 

age is not an indication of knowledge level......

 

I am 34 years old and I have educated more individuals than you can count on NJ gun law....

 

you also completely avoided my post on facebook about HP ammo when I posted it..

you completely ignored the counterfeit question.,...

 

I went out of my way to stand up for you.. not that my opinion carries any magical weight... but I stood up for you.. passed the word to other enthusiasts about your situation.... saying you were a decent reputable business trying to earn a living and the lady should leave you alone.. I further stated that people should purchase from you to further the cause...

 

only to find out you are probably not all too up on NJ gun law.. which is excusable I guess.. but then to see selling counterfeit shit.. come on.. whats next? where is your bottom line when it comes to morality..

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wrong thread.

So let me get this straight... you are going to bash a localy and american owned gun store who does not want to deal with the hasle of selling hollow point ammunition to the general public becuase of the controversy in this really messed up state? The guys that run that shop know the laws and are upright and decent people. The store itself has reasonable prices and carries reputable brands. I myself frequent the store but do not have the need to purchase ammunition as it is provided to me for my training purposes.

 

All I am trying to say is don't bash a business because you got your panties in a bunch because they would'nt sell you a restricted item. They are great people and offer a great service to this community.

 

-respectfully,

drifter

 

I buy Hollow Points in stores all over NJ, I dont mind that they dont want to carry HP ammo, but to tell customers its illegal is a load of crap. And to say that they are controversial issue is a load of crap, THE LAW IS VERY CLEAR FOR THOSE WHO EVER WANT TO ACTUALLY READ IT. Some one else brought it up so i guess it's worth mentioning. Rayco is perfectly fine with selling illegal counter fit products, yet they have a serious issue with selling legal to acquire hollow point ammo. Every pistol i own is loaded with HP ammo for HD, and i didnt have to order it online or go out of state to get it, so you do the math. As a matter of fact, i have never been to a shop that didnt stock HP ammo, since it is the #1 choice in self defense ammo.

I opened up my facebook page this evening and saw this little treasure. Then, I noticed it was from Rayco.

Rayco, please explain why this photo is on your facebook page.

I opened up my facebook page this evening and saw this little treasure. Then, I noticed it was from Rayco.

Rayco, please explain why this photo is on your facebook page.

 

it is by my best estimation political commentary on the irony that is essentially a war based on religion and ethnicity.. it is not necessarily an attempt to say that Israel mimics the practices of Nazi Germany, and that they are one in the same.. but I can not tell for sure the intention because I do not read Spanish...