Oil filters are now illegal in NJ, and require Title 3 tax stamps in free America!

I wanna know how the ATF can legally turn a thread adaptor into a "supressor"

Yeah, unless I mis-remember in the 90s a number of people were hauled in by the ATF for having spare oil filters, pipe and washers, and other such things as owning parts for suppressors. Another one of those case where technology and a bit of know how make restrictive laws completely idiotic. With the advent of desk top CNC machines in the $1000 range and rapid prototyping machines you can make at home coupled with CNC programs for most firearm components home gun manufacture is becoming trivial and something like suppressors even more so.

I wanna know how the ATF can legally turn a thread adaptor into a "supressor"

 

I'm thinking its all about the marketing of it. If they market it as an adapter to turn oil filters into a suppressor = regulated item. If they sold it as a "pipe thread adapter", then no. But then it would come down to the guberment proving that they are making them for the purpose of being used as a suppressor adapter, blah bleh blah...

Hmmm. I guess I need to drain all the oil out of my used filters from the race cars and make some adapters.............

 

I liked all the smoke out of the last one with the full-auto.

 

I would love to be able to put silencers on our guns so we wouldn't have to wear hearing protection.

Silencers are legal to use with little or no restrictions in some countries

 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suppressor

 

 

In the United Kingdom, sales of suppressors fall into four categories of use. For replica and air weapons, the purchase of a suppressor requires no license and in most cases, no identification requirement. For shotguns, these will probably require the presentation of the buyer's shotgun certificate but will not be recorded. If the shotgun is classified as a firearm (where capacity exceeds 3 cartridges) the firearm certificate (FAC) will need to show permission for the purchase of a suppressor. For a small- or full-bore rifle, the firearm certificate (FAC) will need to show permission for the purchase of a suppressor and also the gun for which it is intended. All firearms certificates have the firearm and caliber approved by the police and annotated to the document before a suppressor may be purchased. Police forces usually approve applications for a suppressor for hunting and target shooters, as the risks of litigation for personal injury, especially high-tone deafness resulting from shooting-induced hearing loss, are significant; and noise pollution in general is a problem for shooting sports.

 

 

In Finland, suppressors are not classified as "weapon parts". Therefore, they are completely legal in all calibers, requiring no registration or permit. As a somewhat generalized rule of thumb, Finnish gun law classifies only parts subject to firing pressure directly involved with firing the cartridge as weapon parts; barrels, bolts, and any part with a chamber. These are restricted to owners with a valid permit. All other parts and accessories are not weapon parts under this classification. This would include parts like magazines, various sights and scopes, and also suppressors.

 

In Norway, suppressors can be bought by anyone.

 

 

In Sweden, suppressors for specified calibers are legal for hunting purposes. A license is required, but is normally always granted.

 

New Zealand has no restrictions on the manufacture, sale, possession, or use of suppressors.

I guess it's kind of cool, as long as aiming isn't one of your requirements for shooting. Otherwise, it's pointless in my opinion.

I guess it's kind of cool, as long as aiming isn't one of your requirements for shooting. Otherwise, it's pointless in my opinion.

 

Depends on the firearm..Pistols?? Pretty much certainly there wont be any aiming involved..rifles, maybe not so bad if it's a small caliber and a smaller-diameter filter. Funny thing is, this actually brings back the Old Issue with the NFA....the Tax Stamp costing more than the NFA goody.

Silencers are legal to use with little or no restrictions in some countries

 

 

http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Suppressor

 

 

In the United Kingdom, sales of suppressors fall into four categories of use. For replica and air weapons, the purchase of a suppressor requires no license and in most cases, no identification requirement. For shotguns, these will probably require the presentation of the buyer's shotgun certificate but will not be recorded. If the shotgun is classified as a firearm (where capacity exceeds 3 cartridges) the firearm certificate (FAC) will need to show permission for the purchase of a suppressor. For a small- or full-bore rifle, the firearm certificate (FAC) will need to show permission for the purchase of a suppressor and also the gun for which it is intended. All firearms certificates have the firearm and caliber approved by the police and annotated to the document before a suppressor may be purchased. Police forces usually approve applications for a suppressor for hunting and target shooters, as the risks of litigation for personal injury, especially high-tone deafness resulting from shooting-induced hearing loss, are significant; and noise pollution in general is a problem for shooting sports.

 

 

In Finland, suppressors are not classified as "weapon parts". Therefore, they are completely legal in all calibers, requiring no registration or permit. As a somewhat generalized rule of thumb, Finnish gun law classifies only parts subject to firing pressure directly involved with firing the cartridge as weapon parts; barrels, bolts, and any part with a chamber. These are restricted to owners with a valid permit. All other parts and accessories are not weapon parts under this classification. This would include parts like magazines, various sights and scopes, and also suppressors.

 

In Norway, suppressors can be bought by anyone.

 

 

In Sweden, suppressors for specified calibers are legal for hunting purposes. A license is required, but is normally always granted.

 

New Zealand has no restrictions on the manufacture, sale, possession, or use of suppressors.

 

Before anyone decides to move to Sweden to buy suppressors, know that pistols are illegal for civilians to own and you must have a valid hunting license to own rifles or shotguns. If you stop hunting, you must sell your firearms.

 

Suppressors were banned in many states to try to stop poaching, now the antis claim it's a "public safety" issue.

Its not just the cost of the NFA item, but also the fingerprint, photos, chief LEO sign off, $200 and being in state that allows a NFA item that keeps more people from pursuing a NFA . But it is also the waiting time for the stamp........The waiting time for a NFA tax stamp seems to be running about 5 to 6 months these days.

 

http://www.thehighro...ad.php?t=655090

Its not just the cost of the NFA item, but also the fingerprint, photos, chief LEO sign off, $200 and being in state that allows a NFA item that keeps more people from pursuing a NFA . But it is also the waiting time for the stamp........The waiting time for a NFA tax stamp seems to be running about 5 to 6 months these days.

 

http://www.thehighro...ad.php?t=655090

 

that waits not too bad, thats about how long I wait for pistol permits lol

Great, and I have to change the oil in my car today, now I'll have to be looking over my shoulder for the ATF...

Its not just the cost of the NFA item, but also the fingerprint, photos, chief LEO sign off, $200 and being in state that allows a NFA item that keeps more people from pursuing a NFA . But it is also the waiting time for the stamp........The waiting time for a NFA tax stamp seems to be running about 5 to 6 months these days.

 

http://www.thehighro...ad.php?t=655090

 

More states allow NFA than don't, and if your CLEO is an issue then you go the Trust Route....hell i;ve already got half a dozen form 4's ready to go once I leave Nj for good

If you ask me these boys have an issue, they sell it as a go green petroleum catcher... A wee bit diffrent from the vid..

 

http://www.cadizgunworks.com/zcstore/

Lets see:

1/2 x 28 tap, oil filters for my truck, a lathe, steel disc = constructive possession???????????????????????????

Don`t think so.

If you ask me these boys have an issue, they sell it as a go green petroleum catcher... A wee bit diffrent from the vid..

 

http://www.cadizgunworks.com/zcstore/

 

Perfectly valid use if you ask me. It's not Exxon's or Engro's fault if the end user mixed diesel and ammonium nitrate...

Wonder about the cost on that oil and solvent tap.

It is not a suppressor ...it is a oil recovery device...brilliant ad...

 

 

"Our patented solvent trap allows the use of a standard oil filter (PH-30 or Purolator 30005) to capture the solvent and oil splatter that results when running a brush through from the breech of your weapon"

I guess their are people too young to remember when they were selling adapters to use plastic soda bottles as surpressors. The difference between the oil filter and soda bottle adaptors is the oil filter guys are doing it as a registered NFA item and the soda bottle guys were trying to circumvent the law.

I guess their are people too young to remember when they were selling adapters to use plastic soda bottles as surpressors. The difference between the oil filter and soda bottle adaptors is the oil filter guys are doing it as a registered NFA item and the soda bottle guys were trying to circumvent the law.

 

Knock it off man, next they will want to arrest us for having a soda bottle and duct tape..

What a about a pillow? We've seen them used in a lot of movies to silence a gun.

im for sure anyone here could machine one of those

If you ask me these boys have an issue, they sell it as a go green petroleum catcher... A wee bit diffrent from the vid..

 

http://www.cadizgunworks.com/zcstore/

I noticed that as well....

I noticed that as well....

 

As long as its NFA registered and every fee and paper bit is filed, they could call it a bread maker, no?

As long as its NFA registered and every fee and paper bit is filed, they could call it a bread maker, no?

 

Absolutely..I just find it interesting that they dont come out and SAY it's an NFA item up front on THEIR Site, it's only mentioned on the Video that there's a Tax Stamp involved.....Dont get me wrong, I like hte idea a lot, there's going to be a form 4 for one of those little dinguses once im out of NJ for myself,

Absolutely..I just find it interesting that they dont come out and SAY it's an NFA item up front on THEIR Site, it's only mentioned on the Video that there's a Tax Stamp involved.....Dont get me wrong, I like hte idea a lot, there's going to be a form 4 for one of those little dinguses once im out of NJ for myself,

 

Form 4?

Form 4?

Form 4 is the ATF form you submit for your Tax stamp to buy NFA goodies. Form 1 is the form you submit to build your OWN (NOT Machineguns) NFA goodies such as Supressors, SBR's, AOW's, and SBS's

Its not just the cost of the NFA item, but also the fingerprint, photos, chief LEO sign off, $200 and being in state that allows a NFA item that keeps more people from pursuing a NFA .

 

It's less work than getting a handgun purchase permit in NJ, and you often get the result more quickly. How's that sound?

 

Most states allow NFA. Are you afraid of fingerprints and a photo? Is that like getting a mortgage or something?

 

A buddy of mine had it down to wind direction. He wanted to buy something, he would fill out the form, bring it to the sheriff and drop it in the mailbox on the way out of the courthouse after he retrieved his sidearm from the locker. The day after he put his money down on the item.

 

It's 1 piece of paper with two sides, and a second piece of paper that requires you to check "Yes" next to US citizen and sign it. I've done it in 15 minutes with a private seller over a kitchen table, no FLL involved.

 

 

It's less work than getting a handgun purchase permit in NJ, and you often get the result more quickly. How's that sound?

 

Most states allow NFA. Are you afraid of fingerprints and a photo? Is that like getting a mortgage or something?

 

A buddy of mine had it down to wind direction. He wanted to buy something, he would fill out the form, bring it to the sheriff and drop it in the mailbox on the way out of the courthouse after he retrieved his sidearm from the locker. The day after he put his money down on the item.

 

It's 1 piece of paper with two sides, and a second piece of paper that requires you to check "Yes" next to US citizen and sign it. I've done it in 15 minutes with a private seller over a kitchen table, no FLL involved.

 

$600 for a silencer and stamp, I'd rather spend that kind of money on a decent pistol. And $6,000 - $12,000 + for a FA is totally out of the question for the foreseeable future. I would not mind heading over to Knob Creek someday to rent a FA, that would be more financially doable.