Hm. Could you restate your argument, then? I'm having trouble following you, as you have been making references to racing vehicles and performance in a racing setting up until now. That is what has been throwing me for a loop. With that statement, I almost think we are agreeing with each other, yet still debating about it! To be clear on my part, I am of the belief that we are engaging in a simple, civil debate over the pros and cons of ethanol use in gasoline. I am not attempting to start a shouting match or anything of that nature. Good, clean debate is all I believe we are engaging in currently. I just want to make sure we are on the same page as far as that is concerned, as I do not wish to piss anyone off here.

 

Also, as an aside, I agree with most of your statements regarding racing. I have a '90 Mustang myself, and Ethanol blended fuels do indeed make more horsepower than straight gasoline, when you tweak the engine and tune to accommodate it. A lot of it simply has to do with taking advantage of ethanol's higher resistance to detonation (pre-ignition). You can run a higher static compression ratio to offset the power loss from the lower BTU's of the fuel, as well as advance the ignition timing more. This generally makes for a net increase in power production. You can also keep intake runner temperatures lower, and thereby increase the density of the air charge going into the combustion chamber. Denser air means you can enrichen the air:fuel mixture. Race cars run on the ragged edge, butting right up against the limit of where spark knock and detonation occur. Warding off these two things is the prime concern.

 

I see where the misunderstandment came in place, you thought I was talking about actual race cars, when in reality I was talking about daily driven cars, such as mine. I see your point now, pure ethanol is useless unless mixed with some portion of gasoline...

 

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No need to think I'm getting upset or anything, im not, I know this is just a friendly debate that got misunderstood

 

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I once worked in an auto parts store and the owner had a stock car that ran at Flemington (boy- am i dating myself!) that ran on Alcohol. It was an alcohol built motor and had a special fuel pump and carb that was jetted for alcohol and the fuel lines looked big enough to put your thumb into. he would buy the alcohol by the 55 gallon drum. So, was this pure alcohol or a blend? (I never gave it much thought at the time, we all just laughed at how much money he spent on the car every weekend)

The last time I used sunoco It was $ .49 a gallon for 260 " 102 " octane. I use to get it on the asbury 66 circle. sat nite asbury park circuit cruisers 68 SS 396 Chevelle

 

You're old.

I once worked in an auto parts store and the owner had a stock car that ran at Flemington (boy- am i dating myself!) that ran on Alcohol. It was an alcohol built motor and had a special fuel pump and carb that was jetted for alcohol and the fuel lines looked big enough to put your thumb into. he would buy the alcohol by the 55 gallon drum. So, was this pure alcohol or a blend? (I never gave it much thought at the time, we all just laughed at how much money he spent on the car every weekend)

 

Pure alky, cost very little back then too. Problem with alky is that it milks the oil if you don't run a vacuum pump, it tends to corrode metals not designed to be used with it, eats rubber also. Keeps the engine temps cool, very high octane which helps keep detonation under control. Unlike normal gas, whether unleaded or race gas, alky is an oxygen-bearing fuel, IE: It carries oxygen with it which is like having a little nitrous for the ride. <<<<

I once worked in an auto parts store and the owner had a stock car that ran at Flemington (boy- am i dating myself!) that ran on Alcohol. It was an alcohol built motor and had a special fuel pump and carb that was jetted for alcohol and the fuel lines looked big enough to put your thumb into. he would buy the alcohol by the 55 gallon drum. So, was this pure alcohol or a blend? (I never gave it much thought at the time, we all just laughed at how much money he spent on the car every weekend)

I worked as a kid at a shop right next to ray everhams shop { in wall township } he did bush cars He would have some left over gas in drums, I would do a detail job for him and he would hook me up. I think it was like 109 or 116 octane race gas I use to strain it and put it in my big block camaro, man I loved the smell of race gas coming out the exhaust

I once worked in an auto parts store and the owner had a stock car that ran at Flemington (boy- am i dating myself!) that ran on Alcohol. It was an alcohol built motor and had a special fuel pump and carb that was jetted for alcohol and the fuel lines looked big enough to put your thumb into. he would buy the alcohol by the 55 gallon drum. So, was this pure alcohol or a blend? (I never gave it much thought at the time, we all just laughed at how much money he spent on the car every weekend)

 

That was 100% alcohol and you will burn twice as much as gasoline reason for such large fuel lines. Also running it is very corrosive so the engine needs to be run on gas afterwards and fogged out. And the oil also needs to be changed as alchol will contaminate the oil, water being one of those contaminates...

Running it on gas afterwards had its challenges as it was extremely rich with the alchol carb, some guy's would change the carb and run it and some guys would run them on a squirt bottle which could be dangerous if it backfired..Hence the boat that just burned up at great bay marina..

I know the first thing he did each week after bringing it back to the store was power wash all the mud off and change the oil. I do not recall them ever fogging the motor? Those dirt motors were rebuilt every season.