1 word:

 

Corzine

How fast would be fast enough to get the job done?

 

BTW, I sped in MD several years ago past a cop using laser. And we know how those guys are. He wasn't even in his car, he was standing on the edge of a turn. So, he was actively trying to catch somebody. It was early in the morning and I went by that SOB so fast he couldn't acquire me due to the angular velocity. Would have scared the crap outta me had it not been for my hangover.

 

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I have quite a few stories that have no business being posted on a public forum... I'll say that much

 

Seriously though, with a clean driving record, no warrants, no injuries/property damage, I don't think one could hit a speed that would land them in jail.

 

 

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I have quite a few stories that have no business being posted on a public forum... I'll say that much

 

Haha

 

Well, I'm glad we have all put away childish things and come away mostly intact

It was an Audi A6-S twin turbo, and it was chipped. New from the dealer, not some old beater. Those VWs are really fun cars for lazy asses like me, it's like flying a plane. I had a lot of fun in that car.

I've had my fun on bikes, in corvettes, and in f-bodies.

You can't out-run the police radios............. I was on the NJTPK between 10 and 9, their barracks just happen to be at 9. I stuck it in nuetral and just let it coast to let him try to catch-up to me. Clocked me at 120 on the brakes.............. I wouldn't do that crap with anyone else around back then.

 

All my racing is done at the track now. Took me 22 years to get the car to go 155mph in the 1/4. Doesn't feel fast though.

I've been clocked at high speeds a couple times but the best story I have is this one.

 

I had a 78 cutless with a 355, blower, tubbed, caged, the whole deal. It went 10.3@142mph. I'm sitting at a stop sign about to pull out onto a road out in Franklinville. A fox body stang driving by and sees me so he decided to show off a little. Well I pulled out on the road and punched it. Front wheels came off the ground and I was off. I passed this guy very quickly. I pull into the speed shop up the road. As I'm in the car shutting everything on the car down (engine, fuel pump, fans, undoing my harness, ect) a cop pulls in behind me. He walks up to the car and says "what the hell do you have in this thing?" after bs-ing for a while he told me he had an old muscle car too. Then said that kid in the stang tears the town up and he loved seeing someone hand his a** to him. We ended up hanging in the speed shop for an hour.

 

 

No, you didn't.

 

 

 

Why are you being an asshole? I stated my question with absolute clarity. It was about speeding, not vehicular homicide.

 

 

 

Ok, so you answer is, a judge can have me executed or put in jail for life?

 

There is a maximum penalty for every violation of traffic and criminal code, and I do not appreciate you not telling it to me two times, and insulting me both times without answering my question.

 

 

Your kidding right? I answered your speeding question with the actual law.

 

In one post the laws are too complicated for you and in another you know that every traffic violation has a maximum punishment.

 

Executed lol

 

If you get caught and charged and convicted of 40 mph+ over the speed limit it is at the judges discretion what the punishment is.

That doesn't mean you can be executed.

That means that there are tons of punishments he can choose and they are all different. You could get your license suspended you could get a fine etc. There are too many options to list.

You can't get jail time for speeding only but when your 40+ over you often get a charge that involves endangering people.

Last time I checked since each state has its own laws all they can do is fine you. NJ assessed 2 pts for any out of state ticket.

In NJ you can go to jail for reckless driving, which can be assessed for speeding only.

 

Reckless driving: Driving recklessly in a manner that willfully endangers the rights, property or safety of others is punishable by imprisonment of up to 60 days, or by a fine of not less than $50 or more than $200, or both for a first offense (N.J.S.A. 39:4-96). Points are assessed.

State law allows or requires an individual’s driving privilege to be suspended for certain motor vehicle violations, which means the driver license will be taken away and the motorist may not drive for a stated period of time. In addition to license suspension, fines and imprisonment may also be imposed for moving violations. The length of suspension time depends on the law that is broken and how many convictions a motorist receives.

 

Some suspensions are decided on a case-by-case basis. If the sentence is not mandatory, the Chief Administrator of the MVC or the courts may suspend driving privileges.

 

 

 

Your kidding right? I answered your speeding question with the actual law.

 

In one post the laws are too complicated for you and in another you know that every traffic violation has a maximum punishment.

 

Executed lol

 

If you get caught and charged and convicted of 40 mph+ over the speed limit it is at the judges discretion what the punishment is.

That doesn't mean you can be executed.

That means that there are tons of punishments he can choose and they are all different. You could get your license suspended you could get a fine etc. There are too many options to list.

You can't get jail time for speeding only but when your 40+ over you often get a charge that involves endangering people.

 

OK, you don't know, but I should, and you told me, but you actually didn't. Got it.

 

Let's just say you are better than me and we can both move on, OK?

 

In NJ you can go to jail for reckless driving, which can be assessed for speeding only.

 

Reckless driving: Driving recklessly in a manner that willfully endangers the rights, property or safety of others is punishable by imprisonment of up to 60 days, or by a fine of not less than $50 or more than $200, or both for a first offense (N.J.S.A. 39:4-96). Points are assessed.

 

You better ask Joshroz2 about that, because he told me and he didn't say that. And he knows, and he knows that I knows, or something.

 

BTW, thanks.

OK, you don't know, but I should, and you told me, but you actually didn't. Got it.

 

Let's just say you are better than me and we can both move on, OK?

 

 

 

You better ask Joshroz2 about that, because he told me and he didn't say that. And he knows, and he knows that I knows, or something.

 

BTW, thanks.

 

Relax, I don't know why you think I'm trying to get you.

 

I am just trying to provide the information to answer your question.

 

I'm sorry if it comes off as condescending.

I used to drive really fast in NJ. I've often wondered what the legal risks might be for a first offense.

 

How bad can it get? What is the worst reasonably expected court penalty?

 

You have to pay the fine assessed for the violation or your license will be suspended in your home state. You will receive 2 points on your license unless it is a major violation (DUI, manslaughter, etc.)

 

Amazing how all of the internet lawyers missed that the OP lives in PA.

 

 

 

Relax, I don't know why you think I'm trying to get you.

 

I am just trying to provide the information to answer your question.

 

I'm sorry if it comes off as condescending.

 

OK, thanks, then I won't be a jerk anymore, thanks

 

In my very limited experience there are usually levels of punishments defined for both summary offenses and misdemeanors/felonies (aka "crimes" in NJ). I failed to find an answer several years ago when I tried to look into it and I don't have any reason to become read in such matters today. I thought somebody would cough it up right away since this is an NJ forum where people read laws and regulations daily.

 

I still don't think "it's up to the judge" is an answer. It has to be an offense of a certain category, with a certain range of punishments. That was the reason for my hyperbole about the death penalty or life in prison.

I already answered your question Mipa. PA is part of a 44 state compact that includes NJ. http://lmgtfy.com/?q=PA+out+of+state+moving+violations

I looked around and couldn't find any other statutes that define what mandatory and maximum punishments are. (the regular traffic statutes don't define it)

 

I assume they would just follow previous court precedence and anything wild wouldn't be assessed because it would be thrown out in appeals.

I already answered your question Mipa. PA is part of a 44 state compact that includes NJ. http://lmgtfy.com/?q=PA+out+of+state+moving+violations

 

What does PA have to do with anything?

Reckless Driving - 5 points

Careless Driving - 2 points

Speeding up to 14 mph over - 2 points

Speeding 15-29 mph over - 4 points

30 mph over + - 5 points

Creating risk of accident

Obstruction of view (may not like the fact your ezpass is on your windshield)

 

If the cops in a bad mood he could attempt to charge you with racing on public highway - 5 points + disorderly persons offense

 

These are some of the offenses your could be charged with, court penalty upwards of a thousand dollars from court costs, fines, and a lawyer, plus after a certain amount of points you lose your license. On the bright side you wont need to pay car insurance if you can't drive.

 

I've actually gotten these tickets at the same time

 

Reckless driving

Careless Driving

Speeding

Speeding in a construction zone

Unsafe lane change

Improper passing to the right/ off the road

 

I was doing 90 on a 45mph construction zone on the turnpike in 2006, Had an unmarked car behind for about 5 miles followoing me. Went to court, they dropped all besides for Careless driving... I asked the prosecutor how come he is dropping all but that one(for reference of course), he said that all those tickets falls under Careless driving. So yes a cop could give you all of those tickets to make you look bad, but if he really thinks and sees what I was doing, I was driving carelessly according to the law. Paid $170 plus court fee and 4 points on the license. Took a NJ safe motorist class in Wayne the following month, DMV took out 3 points.

 

If you dont believe me, ask any good traffic lawyer. If a cop gives you a ticket for careless driving and gives you other tickets that fall under Careless driving(speeding, improper lane change, etc.) they have to drop those tickets and just stick you with Careless driving. One thing I dont suggest, is using the unsafe operating of a vehicle, even though is 0 points and $450, it still shows up on your driving record. I rather take the points and take a class, that way your record shows that you are trying to take responsibilty for your actions Plus you learn a lot in that class.

Out of all those if i were to write you would be reckless and the one speeding for whatever mph you were over. Every court is different because i wrote thoseif before and both stuck. Speeding isnt reckless by itself so i distinguish the two. Maybe i articulated it better in court

The real question is this, Is there a speed at while the police will refuse/ are not allowed to give chase past... and if so what is that speed?

Pursuit rules are not based on speed. That may be a part of it. There are a huge number of factors that go into pursuits with a lot of AG guidelines that LEO must follow.

BlueLine

Out of all those if i were to write you would be reckless and the one speeding for whatever mph you were over. Every court is different because i wrote thoseif before and both stuck. Speeding isnt reckless by itself so i distinguish the two. Maybe i articulated it better in court

 

This one time, in bayonne, I was infront of my house, i was about maybe 18 at the time(young and stupid) Was showing off my new car to my friends. Started doing burn outs and fly bys, there was a cop at the corner of the intersection after my 3rd fly by, and just pulled in front, I slowed down, he got out and told me to shut my car off and throw the keys on the ground. Did what he said, any ways long story short; Got the following tickets, Speeding(no radar), Spinning of wheels(never knew that ticket actually existed) and careless driving. Again, went to court, and bayonne court is pretty strict, that female prosecutor is real mean. Any ways, went there and just paid the Careless driving ticket, the other two were dismissed. I learned something new that day to, If a cop says you were speeding and did not catch you with a radar, then that is a valid claim. Something about training and stuff like that.

He could articulate that you were speeding based on training and experience that you were going over 25 but what exact number without radar or pacing you is impossible. The spinning tires is excess display of speed or something like that. Very rarely used. Doing that in a residential zone would have earned you reckless from me possibly. I can see where you just plead to careless as speeding was unproven and the spinning tires was just a knockoff. Again the courts mostly want money.

I got a wreckless ticket for chirpring tires at a whopping 20mph just becuase i was in a corvette and he had a bug up his a**. I also was pulled over for "accelerating too quickly" for going 0-25 too quickly for one cop without even spinning tires or anything like that.

 

Really it was a "hey your exhaust is loud and it sure seemed like you were speeding" kinda deal, luckily a couple LEO friends were in the truck with me so i got off.

 

If i'm doing something dangerious by all means I will not be mad if i get popped. but the definition of dangerious is rerdiculious. Powerbraking for 1/2 a second in the mcdonalds parking lot and getting a careless is insane. Luckily most LEO's have a brian in their head and don't have a bug up their a**. But there's always a few.

He could articulate that you were speeding based on training and experience that you were going over 25 but what exact number without radar or pacing you is impossible. The spinning tires is excess display of speed or something like that. Very rarely used. Doing that in a residential zone would have earned you reckless from me possibly. I can see where you just plead to careless as speeding was unproven and the spinning tires was just a knockoff. Again the courts mostly want money.

 

If you want that speeding to stick with out the radar(mostly in residential areas), you could put it as Careless Driving, that works as well, there is no way to get out of that one. Again, because it comes down to the trainging you guys receive.

It was an Audi A6-S twin turbo, and it was chipped. New from the dealer, not some old beater. Those VWs are really fun cars for lazy asses like me, it's like flying a plane. I had a lot of fun in that car.

 

Almost like the movie "Ronin" but that was supposedly an S8 with nitrous. Great car chases in that movie.

Yes...careless is kind of a catch all. I also agree about what is careless and what isnt. To write some of this stuff, at least for me, it takes some really egregious disregard for safety or a total ahole who doesnt seem to care. I have enough choices to go around bothering everybody for petty stuff

Driving really fast in NJ is not worth it.. learned that a long time ago when I was 18.. lol.. now you won't catch me going more than 10mph over the limit. ever.

Plus I stopped driving sports cars.. don't need to be targeted because I have a fast car.. driving an SUV under within 10mph of the speed limit = never getting pulled over... and an SUV drives much better in all types of weather compared to a sports car.

Pursuit rules are not based on speed. That may be a part of it. There are a huge number of factors that go into pursuits with a lot of AG guidelines that LEO must follow.

 

Is this by state law? I thought different towns had different policies on when not to pursue. The town I grew up in had a MPH limit of 80 mph I think? I'm sure other things also factored in such as traffic conditions, road conditions, etc.