Go figure, Diane Feinstein is a hypocrit. Has a CCW but doesn't want the citizens to have one.

 

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ted is the man, and is absolutely correct about everything he has said.

While I agree with the points, we could have better spokespeople than Glenn Beck or Ted Nugent. Good video, though.

While I agree with the points, we could have better spokespeople than Glenn Beck or Ted Nugent. Good video, though.

 

Why?

Perception police again. If you play by the rules the libtards set you will never win. Trying to alter and cloak the truth so that it becomes more pallitable to a bunch of touchy feely idiots lost in their own version of reality will only end with you compromising both your values and your rights in a futile quest to feel accepted by a group of so called and self professed "tolerant" people that can never accept you or your tempored views because at their core they are completely intolerant of other peoples views that do not conform to their deluded values. I know it's a run on sentence but I don't care what the grammar police think either... LOL

Ted hits another Home Run!

 

Now there's an American!

Why?

I come from a "liberal" background and, to a large extent, still hold a lot of liberal values, especially on social issues. I know that Glenn Beck is especially disliked among the "liberal community". I personally can't stand Glenn Beck. People can call me the perception police all they want, but it doesn't change the fact that every person we turn off because of obtuse and arrogant public figures is another person who will vote against us on this issue. People vote because of perception. If we want to garner support and really expand our rights, it's by demonstrating how we're right with logic and facts, both of which we clearly have.

 

That isn't to say that I don't agree with them on this particular issue. But, by plunging ourselves into this 'Us-vs.-Them' dichotomy, we make ourselves appear like the paranoid 'gun-clingers' they make us out to be. Reinforcing that perception is detrimental to our cause. I've seen numerous people convert from anti-gun to pro-gun on several other forums because when they expressed their curiosity about the issue, they were met with rational, poignant arguments that shattered the stereotype (i.e perception) they had in their heads.

 

As I implied before, I do enjoy watching these guys when discussing gun policy because I agree with them, and it's human nature to enjoy that which reinforces our personal status quo.

I come from a "liberal" background and, to a large extent, still hold a lot of liberal values, especially on social issues. I know that Glenn Beck is especially disliked among the "liberal community". I personally can't stand Glenn Beck. People can call me the perception police all they want, but it doesn't change the fact that every person we turn off because of obtuse and arrogant public figures is another person who will vote against us on this issue. People vote because of perception. If we want to garner support and really expand our rights, it's by demonstrating how we're right with logic and facts, both of which we clearly have.

 

That isn't to say that I don't agree with them on this particular issue. But, by plunging ourselves into this 'Us-vs.-Them' dichotomy, we make ourselves appear like the paranoid 'gun-clingers' they make us out to be. Reinforcing that perception is detrimental to our cause. I've seen numerous people convert from anti-gun to pro-gun on several other forums because when they expressed their curiosity about the issue, they were met with rational, poignant arguments that shattered the stereotype (i.e perception) they had in their heads.

 

As I implied before, I do enjoy watching these guys when discussing gun policy because I agree with them, and it's human nature to enjoy that which reinforces our personal status quo.

Well said but if I may? My take on the subject is,I like Uncle Ted and what he stands for and have little experience with Glenn Beck other than what I've read in both the Liberal and Conservative media. I would prefer my beliefs and views on the 2'nd amendment and the infringements on such not be polarized by what I consider to be in essence, cartoon characters and rating seekers .It diminishes the importance of our cause and erodes our credibility IMHO.The fine people sitting on the fence in respect to gun rights needs to be cajoled,reasoned with and given clear,logical arguments and while UncleTed can be charming and convincing at times, he is still widely held to be the de facto spokesman for the lunatic fringe.

Perception police again. If you play by the rules the libtards set you will never win. Trying to alter and cloak the truth so that it becomes more pallitable to a bunch of touchy feely idiots lost in their own version of reality will only end with you compromising both your values and your rights in a futile quest to feel accepted by a group of so called and self professed "tolerant" people that can never accept you or your tempored views because at their core they are completely intolerant of other peoples views that do not conform to their deluded values. I know it's a run on sentence but I don't care what the grammar police think either... LOL

I admire your conviction..... so let me see if I understand you right....you wish to piss off EVERYONE,rub their noses in the fetid stink of their altered reality and irrational intolerance...convinced that the reality of gun rights is the right way...nay ..the ONLY way will suddenly awaken them like a torrent of cold water from a raging river?

 

Yeah.....let us know how that works out for you.....

Duppie,

 

Compromise is for the weak. Rational discourse is for the pussified masses.

While I agree with the points, we could have better spokespeople than Glenn Beck or Ted Nugent. Good video, though.

I come from a "liberal" background and, to a large extent, still hold a lot of liberal values, especially on social issues. I know that Glenn Beck is especially disliked among the "liberal community". I personally can't stand Glenn Beck. People can call me the perception police all they want, but it doesn't change the fact that every person we turn off because of obtuse and arrogant public figures is another person who will vote against us on this issue. People vote because of perception. If we want to garner support and really expand our rights, it's by demonstrating how we're right with logic and facts, both of which we clearly have.

 

That isn't to say that I don't agree with them on this particular issue. But, by plunging ourselves into this 'Us-vs.-Them' dichotomy, we make ourselves appear like the paranoid 'gun-clingers' they make us out to be. Reinforcing that perception is detrimental to our cause. I've seen numerous people convert from anti-gun to pro-gun on several other forums because when they expressed their curiosity about the issue, they were met with rational, poignant arguments that shattered the stereotype (i.e perception) they had in their heads.

 

As I implied before, I do enjoy watching these guys when discussing gun policy because I agree with them, and it's human nature to enjoy that which reinforces our personal status quo.

 

 

+1 I need not throw another sentence into the mix as this sums it up pretty well.

Duppie,

 

Compromise is for the weak. Rational discourse is for the pussified masses.

I must confess that I am somewhat surprised and disappointed that someone who has posted some very lucid,educated and yes...rational opinions on many a controversial topic would believe Rational discourse is as you put it.

 

I do hope you are being ironic.

I must confess that I am somewhat surprised and disappointing that someone who has posted some very lucid,educated and yes...rational opinions on many a controversial topic would believe Rational discourse is as you put it.

 

I do hope you are being ironic.

 

Yes, friend. I was being ironical.

Yes, friend. I was being ironical.

Jesus!!!!! put a freaking on it ...would ya. Just about destroyed what little faith I have left in human nature,,,,,,,,

Jesus!!!!! put a freaking on it ...would ya. Just about destroyed what little faith I have left in human nature,,,,,,,,

 

fixed that.

I shot w Ted last year. He also was in Philly for a FoodNetwork TV special and a concert. Ted complimented me on my perfect score shootin and autographed my target.

 

The best part though was....Ted makes a mean BBQ steak. Was fantastic.

 

 

I shot w Ted last year. He also was in Philly for a FoodNetwork TV special and a concert. Ted complimented me on my perfect score shootin and autographed my target.

 

The best part though was....Ted makes a mean BBQ steak. Was fantastic.

 

What species was the steak?

While I agree with the points, we could have better spokespeople than Glenn Beck or Ted Nugent. Good video, though.

 

We had one in another thread. Ice-t was going to be our new spokesman. He certainly has to be better than Ted according to his defenders on here

We had one in another thread. Ice-t was going to be our new spokesman. He certainly has to be better than Ted according to his defenders on here

A fine upstanding citizen and a credit to his profession.....doesn't he play a cop on television?

 

I'll do this.... so as not to confuse anyone, least of all me.

Yup..plays a cop. So he's credible

I love Ted, always have always will. Glen Beck though is a piece of shit with a bad coke habit. Just my .02.

Glen Beck though is a piece of shit with a bad coke habit. Just my .02.

You sir, appear to be an ignorant fool.

And a slanderous one, at that.

Yup..plays a cop. So he's credible

 

I love Ted, always have always will. Glen Beck though is a piece of shit with a bad coke habit. Just my .02.

You sir, appear to be an ignorant fool.

And a slanderous one, at that.

+1

You sir, appear to be an ignorant fool.

And a slanderous one, at that.

 

Taken from Glen Beck's website:

 

But at the age of 30, Beck lost his passion for radio – and everything else – as he was consumed by alcoholism and drug addiction. Coming to terms with his past and staying sober shifted his life direction. He found new love (his second wife, Tania) and religion (he was baptized Mormon) and decided he would pursue a career in talk radio.

 

http://www.glennbeck.com/content/program/

 

So yeah I'm ignorant and a fool...

Taken from Glen Beck's website:

 

http://www.glennbeck...ontent/program/

 

So yeah I'm ignorant and a fool...

 

Your original comment was "Glen Beck though is a piece of shit with a bad coke habit."

 

Your use of the present tense indicates your ignorance of the man.

You obviously are not a listener (or viewer) of his broadcasts, so I stand firmly by my contention of your slanderous and foolish ignorance.

Your original comment was "Glen Beck though is a piece of shit with a bad coke habit."

 

Your use of the present tense indicates your ignorance of the man.

You obviously are not a listener (or viewer) of his broadcasts, so I stand firmly by my contention of your slanderous and foolish ignorance.

 

That's right I don't listen to his broadcasts, if he's lying about his substance abuse, can't even man up about that... What else is he lying about?

His history of drug and alcohol use are both in his past.

He readily acknowledges his "in recovery" status.

 

I personally believe him to be the most honorable and honest person in the media today.

 

You should listen to or watch him.

You might even learn something.

His history of drug and alcohol use are both in his past.

He readily acknowledges his "in recovery" status.

 

I personally believe him to be the most honorable and honest person in the media today.

 

You should listen to or watch him.

You might even learn something.

 

I've listened to him and watched him.

 

1) his demeanor on his radio show is significantly different than it was on his tv show when discussing the same issues.

 

2) he cranks up the crocodile tears way too often for subjects that don't justify it.

 

3) he wears a thousand dollar suit that doesn't fit right. That doesn't happen by accident.

 

4) he is generally immune to facts and accuracy, even if such would bolster his argument.

 

In short, drugs or no, he's lying... 24-7. His business is getting people worked up, facts be damned, and his ethical boundaries regarding how far he will go to do that are pretty lax.

 

He's not a good guy, he's not a nice guy, he's lying to your face and not very well and ginning up some half assed sincerity, also not very well. I have zero tolerance for people like that, regardless of what they are selling.