Saw this article when I got up this morning, referring to the Sikh shooting.

 

http://news.yahoo.com/handgun-type-used-sikhs-mass-shooting-weapon-choice-051221545.html

 

If you read the article closely, you realize they make sure to point out that the gun used was a "9mm handgun, the same time used in other shootings" that was "purchased legally at a Milwaukee gun shop called the shooter stop."

 

There also appear to be calls to get rid of all semiautomatic weapons in that article, as well as restrictions on magazine capacity.

 

Coincidentally, in another article, Obama says we Americans need to do some, "Soul-searching" with respect to gun violence, and vowed that he's trying to bring together leaders at all levels of American society to find a way to curb gun violence.

 

http://news.yahoo.com/obama-urges-soul-searching-ways-reduce-gun-violence-190016988.html

 

I think we're about to end up in an England-like scenario, 5-10 round magazine limits, restrictions on handguns, and perhaps even a ban on semiautomatics. I wouldn't be surprised if an Executive Order is issued for banning them in the name of public safety, or if Lautenberg's laws go through.

 

All I know is that I think all the things we've fought to protect will soon go away.

I could see magazine restrictions gaining some political momentum, but I don't see a handgun ban simply because of the Supreme Court's ruling on D.C.'s handgun ban. That should preempt any Federal level handgun ban. Only time will tell, but despite the bad press recently, we have had a good couple years of court rulings.

I partially agree...some feel good measure will be enacted if for no other reason but to appease the uninformed,scared public.Is it going to be a drastic overhaul of the gun laws ,In an election year? Perhaps not but you can wager that both parties is gauging what they can pass without too much fall out and risk of the NRA whipping the conservatives into a frenzy.

I think ammo and mag capacity is going to be targeted simply because it's an easy and obtainable goal.

 

On a side note:I have resisted joining the NRA for various reasons but if there was ever a time to contribute to a cause and show our support it would be now. I signed up.

I don't believe so.

 

Sure you still have the sheeple who feel the "government can protect me", but more and more I'm seeing attitudes change to "I need to take charge and protect myself and my family" logic. More and more people that I speak with who were either previously apathetic or even anti-gun rights have been now more interested in gun ownership, have gone out and applied for their FID, or are in the process of. They are understanding that gun control laws are meant to make them feel good, but don't really do anything to stop criminals or the mentally insane from inflicting great harm. They are starting to realize that a gun is a tool that can help equalize their ability to defend themselves against psychotic maniacs. They are starting to realize that guns alone do not jump off the table and start hurting people, it is the crazy malicious criminals who are out to do serious harm that do.

 

So far I only see Lautenmommy, and "shoulder thing that goes up" McCarthy trying to drum up these do-nothing to stop crime laws. Of course there will always be the columnist and journalists who love to write about how more rights restricting gun control laws are the panacea to everything. Most of them are sheeple, living a protected life in well off areas. They love to pontificate on how they "know what's best" for the rest of the populace.

I don't see any outright bans like you're predicting... What I do believe will happen eventually though is that some of the states that have pretty lax gun laws will probably start enacting stricter rules for gun purchases and ownership... More like what we have here in NJ with the FID's, Pistol Permit process, and OGAM.

I don't see any outright bans like you're predicting... What I do believe will happen eventually though is that some of the states that have pretty lax gun laws will probably start enacting stricter rules for gun purchases and ownership... More like what we have here in NJ with the FID's, Pistol Permit process, and OGAM.

As much as I do not like or support the above system, I think Tony is rite. Its gonna be a lot easier to get restrictions than bans. besides, look at new jersey... We have no gun crime with out stricter rules :rofl: . it doesnt have to work to be considered, voted upon, and enforced. it didnt in new jersey or anywhere else so therefore its a good law.....

I hope the sarcasm is thick enough.

Ken

I agree with Tony as well. There will certainly be more pressure in States that make it real easy to purchase to create tougher standards...

When are people going to learn, blame the person not the guns! Most people who commit these crimes usually are loony to begin with and have a history of crazy behavior. The media also claims they obtained their guns legal but often times they lie on the forums to purchase guns so therefore in my mind its not legally purchased. Also if they expaned the laws on concealed carry I think we would see a lot less of these mass shooting crimes. I am very sorry for the victims and their famlies but again its the people and not the guns that is the problem.

Nothing will happen.

 

This is an election year.

 

The Democrats aren't stupid and remember 1996. If people other than The Usual Suspects (Lautenberg/Schumer/McCarthy) were speaking out, I would be mildly concerned. But I think the Dems are quietly hoping this just goes away.

 

Further edit...

 

We are moving toward more openness, not less. Wisconsin just got Concealed Carry. Wyoming just went to Constitutional Carry. There have been record numbers of NICS checks. We will be fine, but we have to keep fighting.

When are people going to learn, blame the person not the guns! Most people who commit these crimes usually are loony to begin with and have a history of crazy behavior. The media also claims they obtained their guns legal but often times they lie on the forums to purchase guns so therefore in my mind its not legally purchased. Also if they expaned the laws on concealed carry I think we would see a lot less of these mass shooting crimes. I am very sorry for the victims and their famlies but again its the people and not the guns that is the problem.

The funny part is when a drunk driver kills someone they don't blame the auto industry, they don't blame liquor stores " they blame the drunk person "

Nothing will happen.

 

This is an election year.

 

The Democrats aren't stupid and remember 1996. If people other than The Usual Suspects (Lautenberg/Schumer/McCarthy) were speaking out, I would be mildly concerned. But I think the Dems are quietly hoping this just goes away.

 

Further edit...

 

We are moving toward more openness, not less. Wisconsin just got Concealed Carry. Wyoming just went to Constitutional Carry. There have been record numbers of NICS checks. We will be fine, but we have to keep fighting.

QFT +1

Ok, here's some more evidence.

 

Lou Greenwald tried to bring down capacity in NJ to 10 from 15 just last year ago, which got me involved in the fight. He didn't get the bill passed after the Gabby Giffords shooting, he won't succeed again. And that is in New Jersey. Do you think that a capacity bill has a chance of passing in a place like Ohio which just got CC just a few years ago? Absolutely not.

 

Where has Stender's A1216 bill gone? Nowhere.

 

The pro gun world starts about 8 miles into PA and crosses this entire country with little pockets of resistance like Chicago. It ends about 20 miles from the West coast when it hits LA and San Francisco.

 

Why doesn't good stuff about guns get reported in the news? Well, where are most of the media outlets? New York and LA - well within that Anti-Second Amendment bubble.

 

Firearms are a way of life for many people in America, they won't stand for their rights being taken away.

When are people going to learn, blame the person not the guns!

 

The simple answer is that they won't learn. There's always going to be two sides jockying to establish their interpretation of the 2nd admendment as rule of law.

Wow. A bunch of whiny b*tch politicians come up with something ludicrous and the media echo chamber gives them a voice, and all of the sudden people start panicking. This is why that other thread got started; because so many people are just beaten and broken that they predict the worst, and the "whoa is me" "we're going to be like England" predictions start.

 

Hey, Eeyore, reality check time! The same anti-gun politicians are proposing the same sh*t they always do, and less and less people are buying it. We are WINNING. Since OGAM got slipped under our noses, we've managed to beat back some pretty sure-thing anti-gun crap in NJ. Let me repeat that, because it bears repeating. We have beat back pretty sure-thing anti-gun crap in New Jersey! 51 Senators said they would not sign the U.N. small arms treaty. Even the majority of the Democratic leadership around the country has avoided co-sponsoring any of this latest round of garbage that the usual suspects are putting out. How many co-sponsors does Ole' Frank's bill have, besides Menendez, Feinstein, and Chucky Schumer? How many Republicans in either chamber have signed on to ANY of the new rounds of gun control bills? Only bills that both parties agree to go anywhere. The Democrats hung their hats on health care when they had control of everything. If they do attempt anything serious on the subject of gun control, the only Democrats that will be left in office will be those from left wing strongholds like NJ, NY, MA, and CA. The rest will be sent packing.

 

I'm not suggesting that we need not be vigilant; although it tends to be our reps who propose this crap, but we need not make defeatist predictions that have no basis in reality. If we act like we are defeated, then the other side will be emboldened to continue. But if we remain confident that our position is the right one, and it is, that we will prevail no matter what type of crap the other side comes up with. Gun control is not a grass roots movement. It is an elitist dream funded by freedom hating progressives like Bloomberg, and they feed on the ignorant and stupid, like Josh Horowitz, Sarah Brady, and Ladd Everitt, who believe that ridding the world of guns will solve all the problems of violence everywhere. More and more people are recognizing the shortfalls of the gun control movement and are, for the most part, on our side. We need to remain focused and keep our eyes on the prize. If we are to "compromise" with the gun controllers, it will be this. We will agree to repeal only half of the gun control laws this year.

This kind of BS is only favorable in the handful of states that already have these types of restrictions. Outside of the north east, the left coast and IL (more like Chicago) it is a non starter. Some states that have been inundated by refugees fleeing from the mess they created in the states controlled by the radical libtards are a little scary (NC, FL, AZ, etc.) because those refugees take their nanny state voting mentality with them. But overall this crap won't fly in 80% of the country.

The funny part is when a drunk driver kills someone they don't blame the auto industry, they don't blame liquor stores " they blame the drunk person "

The simple answer is that they won't learn. There's always going to be two sides jockying to establish their interpretation of the 2nd admendment as rule of law.

 

Sadly I think this is true! The more people who feel they need guns and buy them on impulse these days with no training or common sense the worse its going to get for gun owners since accidents are going to happen.

The funny part is when a drunk driver kills someone they don't blame the auto industry, they don't blame liquor stores " they blame the drunk person "

 

Interesting point! If the media changed their viewpoint and looked as the firearm as a tool it would be a different story. I mean you see killings all the time on the news involving all types of weapons but they are not shown as much since it does not touch on other issues such as 2nd amendment rights. Why do you think this whole thing with Chick-Fil-a is still being broadcast. Its because it involves a much bigger issue as freedom of speech which is conformity of viewpoints.

We should look at this and use it as a stronger argument why the (law abiding) Citizens of the USA should be armed everywhere, all the time.

I'm currently in Maine on business. I was watching a local CBS affiliate(Maine and NH I believe) yesterday morning while they were discussing the shooting. It appeared that the general consensus was that more gun laws were not the answer. They felt that there should be more mental health awareness and people should be more aware of signs.

 

Fear not everyone, outside of the communist republic of NJ there is hope.

Hmm... There are many interesting points that have been raised here which have given me some more hope. Ironically, even though I'm 20, which is usually the age where people feel like they actually can make a difference, I tend to think that none can be made solely since our politicians don't really represent us. That's why I tend to think that gun rights are only going to be eroded over time. I do, however do what I can to prevent that, and am trying to reach out to other young people to get them to understand their rights, and help them get over their fears and misconceptions regarding firearms.

 

I've been a NJ2AS member since February I believe, and I just joined the NRA the other day.

 

Coincidentally, what are their numbers looking like right now?

We should look at this and use it as a stronger argument why the (law abiding) Citizens of the USA should be armed everywhere, all the time.

The problem is Killers are going to kill.. The anti's are afraid of 2nd amendment lovers, +ccw... My fear is the anti's stirring up the pot, and your average scumbag armed criminal..

I am generally optimistic. I believe that CCW in NJ had gone from a ghostly wet dream to a mythical unicorn.

Don't worry, Obama is not getting re-elected.

Don't worry, Obama is not getting re-elected.

 

LIke Romney is any better....

I partially agree...some feel good measure will be enacted if for no other reason but to appease the uninformed,scared public.Is it going to be a drastic overhaul of the gun laws ,In an election year? Perhaps not but you can wager that both parties is gauging what they can pass without too much fall out and risk of the NRA whipping the conservatives into a frenzy.

I think ammo and mag capacity is going to be targeted simply because it's an easy and obtainable goal.

 

On a side note:I have resisted joining the NRA for various reasons but if there was ever a time to contribute to a cause and show our support it would be now. I signed up.

New York Times article basically saying it's unrealistic to believe that guns can be gotten rid of but bullets on the other hand can be taxed to the point of ridiculousness. "Guns don't kill people...bullets do".

Hard to know what will happen. Gun Control measures are politically a loser regardless of party on the national stage. Even if Obama is re-elected, he risks putting the party in exile the way Clinton did after 1994. There is a direct line to be drawn between Gore's loss of the 2000 election and the Assault Weapons Ban. It may fire up the base, but Blue Dogs and Moderate Democrats will run from this regardless of the crisis used to justify it.

 

Even with the scandals, there was no reason to expect that Gore wouldn't slide in even for just 1 term (like GHWB)...Clinton was that beloved to the base and the center.

 

Want to send the political pendulum crashing in the opposite direction? Pass a major piece of Gun Control Legislation.

Hard to know what will happen. Gun Control measures are politically a loser regardless of party on the national stage. Even if Obama is re-elected, he risks putting the party in exile the way Clinton did after 1994. There is a direct line to be drawn between Gore's loss of the 2000 election and the Assault Weapons Ban. It may fire up the base, but Blue Dogs and Moderate Democrats will run from this regardless of the crisis used to justify it.

 

Even with the scandals, there was no reason to expect that Gore wouldn't slide in even for just 1 term (like GHWB)...Clinton was that beloved to the base and the center.

 

Want to send the political pendulum crashing in the opposite direction? Pass a major piece of Gun Control Legislation.

Your point is valid and I agree but regardless of the strides we've made as gun owners nationwide and we've definitely gained ground,I think it unlikely that at least an attempt will not be made,If not on guns, at the very least on the peripherals.

Ammo is an easy target.

I think gun or even ammo bans & limitations that are clearly communicated are a political liabilty at this point and not too much of a threat.

 

The greater danger will be bills that should have nothing to do with firearms or ammo that get 11th hour additions shoehorning in such restrictions. The other big danger would be, as usual, justice retirements & appointments tip the scales the wrong way and the next 2nd amendment case goes horribly wrong.

You can put a formula on their logic. 1 st it's 30rds or less. Then, it's 20rds or less. Now, its's 15rds across the board, like in NJ. Oh, but wait, let's do 10rd max, since that's what 'everybody's doing'.

 

Then another sad incident. Well, we may have to do some soul searching and go w, 5rd max. You know, it's for the hunters out there.

 

Then then rest is history, 3rd max...... 1 round single fire, have to charge before each round now, like in the UK, eliminating any evil 'SEMIAUTOMATIC(!!!!!)' Deadly Assault Weapons of Mass Destruction!!!!!

 

And airsoft? You are next.

Yeah no, I really doubt anything like that will happen anytime soon. Look at all the victories for gun rights there have been and pro-gun legislation that's been passed in the past few years. Plus, there's another case for CCW going to be heard this month in Illinois (Shepard v. Madigan), and there's quite a bit of hope that the court will overturn the state's ban on carry. Gun rights and progun sentiments are at an all time high. The odds of them getting something like a handgun ban on the books are about as high as me going to the PD right now and getting an NJ CCW without being murdered twice first.