As part of the C&R FFL ATF does a visit at home.

 

A very nice lady called the house this morning and my wife answered as I was not home. My wife took took a message and asked the lady if she was calling from our alarm company (ADT). She said no and told my wife what ATF stood for.

 

 

I called back ATF to setup an appointment for tomorrow. The lady made sure I knew I could not get c&r guns mailed to me.

Then asked why I wanted one ., I told her to avoid NIC's check fees on out of state C&R purchases at gun shows.

She was satisfied with the answer.

 

 

I'll let you know how the "vist" goes...

 

Had my visit last year!

NO del. to home, Out of state purchases very easy!!!

Where can someone get more information about a C&R FFL process and requirements?

I hope you are registered as a NJ dealer as well. The njsp does not recognize c&r any different from a full blown ffl in NJ.

 

Just saying....

 

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FYI, IIRC, there are a few hundred registered C&R Licensees in NJ.

C&R is not in the business as a dealer. Local PD must be notified, ATF may notify NJSP.

Be VERY careful having a C&R. I had one for a month and quickly requested to cancel it when I became more informed. In the PRNJ, the negatives out weigh the positives. FWIW, the C&R puts up on the NJSP's radar screen as a much brighter and bigger 'blip' then the rest of us. Just make sure you will truly need it and are willing to have unannounced house guests for inspections. Make sure you post your required signs (yes, in your own home) and keep your records up to date.

 

Might want to check out Nappen's Book before you decide to keep your C&R... just say'in.

I don't have to let ATF in for inspections... I could bring my collection to them if I choose...

 

As far as the state police barging in my house..... I'm not so sure about that...

 

However, this is not the first time i have heard mention of State Police barging in a front door and cavity searching the entire family(including the Dog) because someone had a C&R.

 

Internet hype or insightful warnining??? You be the judge...

 

I would love to hear first hand from someone on the issue....

 

 

i had the ATF notified the NJSP that I was approve for one , The agent also was a very nice lady and they told her if I had the c&r and used it they would arrest me .

 

I never signed for it but I still filled out the form denouncing it .

I keep a copy of the letter on the door of my gun closet , just in case .

 

The ATF wont come the SP will.

I thought i was doing the right thing ,

+1 read nappens book

At that time i also had 2 of the ATF agents on conference call on this 6 or so years ago ,, they didnt know nj didnt recognize the c&r

Borneo Officer: Were with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and

Firearms.

Yuri Orlov: Let me guess... this isnt about the alcohol or tobacco.

Again, there are several hundred C&R holders in NJ. When I find the data, I will post it.

 

Found it. There are 177 C&R Licensees in New Jersey as of June, 2012.

 

LINK

The ATF agent that visited me was very nice and professional and gave me a ton of books. He also warned me that if I was looking for discounts on ammo, reloading supplies, etc., it would be in my best interest to incorporate and use my business angle versus the small discounts that C&R guys get. He must've told me a number of times that there wasn't any benefit to it in NJ.

 

FWIW - Nappen's book on page 41 discusses it. I had to re-read it to make sure. The header in "Loopholes and Pitfalls"

"WARNING: Do NOT have a Collector of Curios and Relics Federal Firearms License". In bold. YMMV

What is a C&R??

Crotch Rot...

 

What is a C&R??

 

 

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Yet New Jersey law mentions a C&R License several times.

What is a C&R??

 

Curios and Relics

 

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/curios-relics.html

Sounds like a rare gray area in NJ firearm laws.

The problem is, during the OGAM hearing a few years ago, the CHIEF of the State Police.... said himself.... NJ SP DOES NOT Recognize C&R any differently than a regular dealer. A few folks were hauled in for it.

 

If you are getting a C&R in NJ, you might as well get a full blown FFL in NJ.

If you are NOT in a zoned FFL dealer area you cannot get the full FFL!

I met with the agent this morning. We spent 1 1/2 hours reviewing rules and regulations. There is a check list you sign off on at the end attesting to everything she covered.

 

A few weird questions

 

What pets do you have?

Do you have a fence?

Do you have any hidden rooms?

Do you have a locked storage room?

 

We sat at the kitchen table had coffee and BS'ed

She discussed 50 shades of grey with my wife and highly recommended book #3.

 

At the end I showed her Nappens book and what it said about c&r's in NJ. She seemed to think stuff like that sold books. She commented that she had only done a few c&r inspections in 25 years and only once notified the state police of an issue.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm hesitant saying this, but the ATF in this case isn't the problem. It is the NJSP should they go on a witch hunt a C&R will be used against you. And of course the Media will make it seem like you have a fully functional Sherman tank and land mines in your garage that you purchased with the C&R.

Teresa?

Scott, as stated earlier, there are 177 C&R holders in NJ. It is legal to have one. It is not a license to deal in firearms. It is a collector's license.

I'm hesitant saying this, but the ATF in this case isn't the problem. It is the NJSP should they go on a witch hunt a C&R will be used against you....

 

I understand where you're coming from since our state is so hostile towards gun ownership from every angle, but still, if you're legit, do you truly have to be worried? Is there a particular scenario or aspect of having a C&R you think is most troublesome?

I'm sure my feelings are more paranoid based then anything else.

 

But, being in this state, how could us legal gun owners not feel that stepping out of line or even the most innocent / minor in fraction will cost you 10's of thousands of dollars to prove you did nothing criminal or illegal. Administrative errors during an audit could result in a major PITA.

Also, she said with c&r I was exempt from one gun a month for c&r handguns....

 

I told her that is not what state police are telling people...

 

She said she would call them to iron it out and get back to me...

 

 

Just what is the point of having a C&R?

Also, she said with c&r I was exempt from one gun a month for c&r handguns....

 

I told her that is not what state police are telling people...

 

She said she would call them to iron it out and get back to me...

 

I'm very interested in the results of this......