Maybe they will require your background check's to type it out, too.

Almost a two years ago, when I went for my FID and first permit, JCPD told me the same thing - no handwritten forms (I had to re-do mine). Rather then get all salty, I politely asked why. The woman in the records dept. told me that they had so many problems with the state processing data wrong, the forms kept being sent back and it gummed up the paperwork process. She apologized for making me re-do my form, and said they know it's a pain, but that typed forums make everything faster. Truth? Lies? Secret plot to destroy the Second Amendment?

 

Who knows. I've gotten three sets of permits since then. It takes about 2 weeks per set for me. I've also saved a PDF of all the forms, and I must admit, it's about 1000 times easier to print, sign and deliver.

 

In the end, I think typed forums are just easier to read. Personally, I don't have a problem with it.

Almost a two years ago, when I went for my FID and first permit, JCPD told me the same thing - no handwritten forms (I had to re-do mine). Rather then get all salty, I politely asked why. The woman in the records dept. told me that they had so many problems with the state processing data wrong, the forms kept being sent back and it gummed up the paperwork process. She apologized for making me re-do my form, and said they know it's a pain, but that typed forums make everything faster. Truth? Lies? Secret plot to destroy the Second Amendment?

 

Who knows. I've gotten three sets of permits since then. It takes about 2 weeks per set for me. I've also saved a PDF of all the forms, and I must admit, it's about 1000 times easier to print, sign and deliver.

 

In the end, I think typed forums are just easier to read. Personally, I don't have a problem with it.

 

Agreed

Abuse of authority. Standard ops.

In the end, I think typed forums are just easier to read. Personally, I don't have a problem with it.

 

And how about when they add the next "requirement"? This is the elephant's trunk in the tent.

 

 

And how about when they add the next "requirement"? This is the elephant's trunk in the tent.

 

Precisely why I take this new requirement differently than some others on this board. This is the same PD that not only will not accept any proof of employment, nor call your employer to verify same, instead sending them a form letter notifying them that the employee is seeking to purchase firearms. Add to that the extra "neighbors" references they used to ask for (the former COP did away with that one but there's a new chief in town, so I don't know if it's been reinstituted) and you have, IMO, a not very 2A friendly department.

 

Is the BPD really that bad, Scott? I just did my fingerprints and a psych evaluation and now I feel like I've just wasted my time and money just to get denied by an anti-2As department...

Individually, the detectives there are all pretty decent guys. I believe it is more of an institutional "anti" sentiment in Bayonne, and IMO it comes from the top on down. The current mayor is a former C.O.P. in town and a liberal Democrat to boot, being the head of the Hudson County Democratic Organization, and was one of the first and biggest boosters of Obama four years ago.

 

I never said they would go out of their way to deny anyone gun ownership; I do think they see the absolute explosion in FID and PP seekers in our city, making the powers-that-be uneasy and looking for ways to discourage them.

 

I'm putting my tinfoil derby away for the night now...

 

Scott in Bayonne

And how about when they add the next "requirement"? This is the elephant's trunk in the tent.

 

I hear you and I understand the slippery slope.

 

To me, it depends on who "they" is and what that requirement are: if suddenly PDs start requiring three forms of photo ID, or mandatory waiting periods, or closing the permits department Monday, Wednesday or Friday, or things like, "we only accept applications on the first Monday of every month at 1:35 pm," then I believe ALL gun owners need to kick up their political and legal involvement.

 

However, the last time I went to pick up permits, the person working the records department told me she was sorry we even had to do this, because, in her words, "There are thousands of gun owners in Jersey City, and the only ones we ever arrest are the criminals who don't bother buying guns legally." My permits weren't signed, so instead of telling me to come back, she went upstairs to get the signatures; we ended up shooting the breeze for 20 minutes.

 

To me, this is divining between a busy police department and a legitimate encroachment of rights, and i think they're just busy. There are too many blatantly anti-gun politicians in NJ for me to worry about, so I'm willing to let this one go.

I just did my fingerprints and a psych evaluation...

 

What are you talking about?

Hey Pizza Bob, when I was a kid (8 years old) I was admitted for observation at a children's hospital in Hoboken. As far as I know, I was voluntarily committed by my mom and was released by her. No medication was ministered nor was a follow up needed. However, because this was 20 years ago the records have been purged. The diagnosis was that I have no psychiatric issues but that I was reacting to the circumstances of my home life. I had spoken to some of the lawyers from NJ2AS and they said that doing a psych evaluation would be good to do since I can't get a hold of those recorda . I have no mental health issues at all.

 

I did speak to detectives Hourican and Donaway about this matter and they said that it shouldn't be an issue. However, David Jensen said that he wouldn't trust the legal advice of the local PD. So, prior to handing in everything, including the fingerprints, I did an evaluation with IFP. I'm just waiting on the results from IFP right now.

Hey Pizza Bob, when I was a kid (8 years old) I was admitted for observation at a children's hospital in Hoboken. As far as I know, I was voluntarily committed by my mom and was released by her. No medication was ministered nor was a follow up needed. However, because this was 20 years ago the records have been purged. The diagnosis was that I have no psychiatric issues but that I was reacting to the circumstances of my home life. I had spoken to some of the lawyers from NJ2AS and they said that doing a psych evaluation would be good to do since I can't get a hold of those recorda . I have no mental health issues at all.

 

I did speak to detectives Hourican and Donaway about this matter and they said that it shouldn't be an issue. However, David Jensen said that he wouldn't trust the legal advice of the local PD. So, prior to handing in everything, including the fingerprints, I did an evaluation with IFP. I'm just waiting on the results from IFP right now.

 

Sorry, didn't mean to pry. I thought maybe your local PD had gone completely off the tracks - didn't realize this was an individual, CYA, issue. Good luck.

 

Adios,

 

Pizza Bob

 

 

Sorry, didn't mean to pry. I thought maybe your local PD had gone completely off the tracks - didn't realize this was an individual, CYA, issue. Good luck.

 

Adios,

 

Pizza Bob

 

It's all good. We're here because we want to not only support our 2A rights but also protect it. Whether it is a local PD going off tracks with the FID/PPP apps to someone calling themselves 'crazy,' we want to protect what rights we do have in the PRNJ.