Doing some research about WWII era Carbines, and learned that they are banned by name?

 

The particular gun I was looking at has no pistol grip, no bayonete lug, no high cap magazines, no folding stock, no flash suppressor and no threaded barrel.

 

It's just an old (1943 to 1944) 30 cal M1.

 

Does anyone have a clue why this type of gun made the ban list? I know, I know.

Pics? M1 Carbine is banned by name.

Working on pics.

 

It's no doubt a WWII M1 in 30 cal. Based on the serial number it was made by National Postal Meter company between 12/43 and 5/44.

 

It's apparently never been fired, or if it has, not since 1965.

 

I'm going to keep it out of NJ until I can determine legality.

 

Damn shame if its banned. It's a neat gun.

A little bit of PRNJ M1 Carbine history

http://www.m1carbinesinc.com/carbine_plainfield.html

Doing some research about WWII era Carbines, and learned that they are banned by name?

 

The particular gun I was looking at has no pistol grip, no bayonete lug, no high cap magazines, no folding stock, no flash suppressor and no threaded barrel.

 

It's just an old (1943 to 1944) 30 cal M1.

 

Does anyone have a clue why this type of gun made the ban list? I know, I know.

 

You are mixing banned by name with subtantially identical. The law says banned by name OR substantially identical. If you build an AR with an old receiver marked AR15 with only one evil feature it is illegal because its an AR15.

They are illegal. Mostly because they were dirt cheap back in the day and could provide decent firepower in a small cheap package. During the Newark riots a whole bunch were stolen.

 

On or about 08/13/2010 >

As per our conversation this date, and review on the manufacturer's web site of the below long gun, be advised that this specific firearm is not considered an assault firearm by New Jersey statute and Administrative Code, and thus is lawful for sale in New Jersey.

AOM140

Auto-Ordnance M1 Carbines, Walnut Stock

MSRP: $899.00

Model: AOM140, Walnut stock and handguard (shipped with 10 round new magazine for CA sales)

Auto-Ordnance M1 Carbine: AOM140 (.30 Caliber, 18" barrel) “Walnut Stock”

Specifications: Model AOM140

Caliber .30 Caliber

Barrel 18"

Weight 5.4 lbs

Length 35 3/4" overall

Construction Parkerized steel receiver

Finish Parkerized

Sight Blade front sight, flip style rear sight

Stock Walnut

One10 Shot stick (AOM140).

Be further advised that should this firearm be altered by its manufacturer in such fashion so as to make it subject to New Jersey's assault firearms law/definition, the firearm would then be unlawful to sell/possess in New Jersey.

 

David B. Schlueter

Lieutenant

Firearms Investigation Unit

 

 

On or about 08/24/2010 >

The AOM140 is identified byAuto Ordnance documentation and web site as an M1 Carbine. This type of firearm is specifically named under New Jersey's criminal law as an "assault firearm." Further research shows that, while the AOM140 fits none of the criteria as a "substantially identical" firearm, it may very well nonetheless fall under the New Jersey State Statute assault firearm named "M1 carbine type." You are therefore advised that you are not to ship these firearms to retailers not specifically licensed to have them in New Jersey, until such time as a legal determination is made as to the specific rifle's "status."

 

Thanks for you cooperation.

David B. Schlueter

Lieutenant

Firearms Investigation Unit

 

 

 

Does that mean that those PRNJ subjects who bought them between the 10th and the 24th and did not return them are now sitting on .30cal time bombs?

 

On or about 08/13/2010 >

 

 

 

On or about 08/24/2010 >

 

 

 

 

 

Same as the hundreds who received them from that program that used to direct deliver in NJ!!

Does that mean that those PRNJ subjects who bought them between the 10th and the 24th and did not return them are now sitting on .30cal time bombs?

 

Well, it could mean that there was a window of opportunity for legal acquisition and possession that others did not take advantage of at the time.

This topic make hulk angry.

Me too.

Bottom line is if at any point Nj says its ok. Buy it ASAP and keep a dated receipt. Then when they change their mind you are covered

They are illegal. Mostly because they were dirt cheap back in the day and could provide decent firepower in a small cheap package. During the Newark riots a whole bunch were stolen.

 

I wouldn't say dirt cheap. They cost under $100 in the late 60s and if you were bringing home $200 a week you were doing good. The carbines were stolen during the Plainfield riots not Newark.

[regarding the letters posted above]...

 

 

What a bunch of BS. "Substantially identical".... in WHO'S mind??? The cop? The judge? For chrissakes, with the exception of the caliber, the Ruger Minis ARE M1 carbines. Not to mention of course the Springfield M1As... not technically named "M1 Carbine", but that's exactly what it is.

an m1a is not a carbine...its an m14...but it isn't

What if you bought one out of state and made believe you bought it during that brief lapse of sanity from the state police?

an m1a is not a carbine...its an m14...but it isn't

 

Well, true it's not a carbine caliber, but that's my point... WHERE does "substantially identical" begin and end? Does it depend on whether the LEO or judge "got any" the night before???

I think the burden of proof would lie with the make-believer.

If you think you are frustrated now wait till you see a judge who has no gun knowledge butcher the arguments.

 

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Buy one, put it in a LTSC(long term storage container), and bury it .

Where can you find said LTSC??

Where can you find said LTSC??

 

Big peice of PVC sealed water tight at both ends then buried in the ground

The names list and substantially identical clause is still on the books.

 

If the prosecutor can convince the court that the rifle is on the named list, or proves it is substantially identical to a gun on the named list you are in trouble.

 

The test to see if something is substantially identical is the NJAC evil feature list. The test to see if it is named, well..., the only thing they can go by is if it has the name on the gun itself. Those are the prosecutor's two methods of determining if a gun is a NJ defined AW.

Well, it does not have two or more features AND it is not on the named list. So....?

features aside, banned because its simply called a carbine .30Cal M-1. Plus if the reciever is stamped m2, your in possession of a fully automatic machine gun.

Not sure what the big deal with the M1 carbine. My pops had two and one wouldn't run reliably and the other was extremely unreliable.

[regarding the letters posted above]...

 

 

What a bunch of BS. "Substantially identical".... in WHO'S mind??? The cop? The judge? For chrissakes, with the exception of the caliber, the Ruger Minis ARE M1 carbines. Not to mention of course the Springfield M1As... not technically named "M1 Carbine", but that's exactly what it is.

 

In this particular case, the State Attorney General

Not sure what the big deal with the M1 carbine. My pops had two and one wouldn't run reliably and the other was extremely unreliable.

 

Ray, the M1 carbine can be as reliable as any other military semi auto. Reliability issues with them usually are caused by magazines or a dirty, worn, or loose gas piston. The loose gas pistons are a usual issue as you need a M1 carbine specific wrench to tighten the gas cylinder. I had a M2 issued to me when I worked in AZ. One of the guys I worked with was a SF A Team leader in Vietnam and the M1/M2 carbine was the main battle rifle for the Montagnards he worked with. He carried one and was pretty knowledgeable about them having carried one in combat for a year.