Again another public thread pertinent to the future of our freedoms locked while redirecting readers to some obscure "politics" section reserved for paying members. This needs to be addressed with some degree of logic interjected.

 

We, gun owners residing in the state of NJ, find ourselves constantly persecuted by some of the most idiotic and blatantly unconstitutional laws ever written to limit and restrict a constitutional right. Those laws for the most part written by liberal politicians (both Democrat and Republican) that were elected by a majority of the constituency mostly ignorant of the subject. We as a community need to address the problems we have at their core, the people writing the laws and the brainwashed electorate that puts them in the position to write those laws in the first place. This forum needs to be a source of information that is open and freely available to those looking to educate themselves on the subject, i.e. not paid members of the choir. The notion that you can somehow separate gun laws and politics in NJ is ignorant and fatally flawed at its core. Trying to address restoring our rights here in New Jersey without discussing the political environment that created and perpetuates the problem is like trying to go fishing without a hook because you are scared of pointy things...

I would imagine that the paid member part comes from the cost of running the website. Does the owner of this forum post the public records for revenues costs and expenses?

I agree, I don't know why the thread was locked... it wasn't just a link, there WERE several paragraphs along with the link...

 

As fas as the paid member thing, I'm new here, and I joined when the owner was away (I think), but I didn't see any other way to participate (post) other than joining ... so I joined. It's an important enough issue for me to pay the fee. That being said, since I PAID to discuss these issues, I want to be ABLE TO.... I don't know why that thread (on Obama wanting to re-instate the AWB) was locked. Stupid.

And who do you think makes this forum possible?

 

Oh yeah, the paying members. This sight is not run for free. The servers, bandwidth, etc. cost money. So maybe cough up $36 and help support the cause.

I like oranges. And?

 

What is the purpose of this forum, for all of us to pay dues so we can piss **** and moan to each other about the problem or to provide and open environment for all to actually discuss the situation and educate others?

I would imagine that the paid member part comes from the cost of running the website. Does the owner of this forum post the public records for revenues costs and expenses?

The owner is Maksim. He put this site up to help people in NJ learn about and discuss firearms related topics.

 

He runs his own business and the forum is additional to his working day.

 

It wouldn't surprise me at all if I found out the forum COSTS him money to keep up.

I won't even mention the time he and the admins put in to keep the forum running.

 

The threads were locked in the public sections because it is a political subject and there is a thread in the private politics section to discuss it.

 

The owner is Maksim. He put this site up to help people in NJ learn about and discuss firearms related topics.

 

He runs his own business and the forum is additional to his working day.

 

It wouldn't surprise me at all if I found out the forum COSTS him money to keep up.

I won't even mention the time he and the admins put in to keep the forum running.

 

The threads were locked in the public sections because it is a political subject and there is a thread in the private politics section to discuss it.

 

Again, and?

 

I'd rather see discussions pertinent to the like minded members of the community restricted to paying members than the discussions that can provide the uneducated with access to a logical debate of the facts. Any schmuck can peruse the forum and read all about AKs and ARs and how to make them legal to own in NJ but they can't find a discussion on who is on which side of the facts during an election. I guess a lot of people around here are scared of pointy things.

I'm surprised this thread hasn't been locked.

Me too. And yet we wonder how things got this bad. Go figure.

 

 

Again, and?

 

I'd rather see discussions pertinent to the like minded members of the community restricted to paying members than the discussions that can provide the uneducated with access to a logical debate of the facts. Any schmuck can peruse the forum and read all about AKs and ARs and how to make them legal to own in NJ but they can't find a discussion on who is on which side of the facts during an election. I guess a lot of people around here are scared of pointy things.

 

I agree to a sense.

I do think people who are not to familiar with the forum should be aware of which politicians are pro gun rights and not.

 

*IF ANYTHING, there should be a pinned section stating who is endorsed to be the politician to support that will maintain our second amendment right.*

 

But I do also agree people probably should support the site somehow... Whether they agree to click through banners or pay to have them go away (or something similar)...

But the way- go make sure you take a look at the most recent NRA 1st American freedom magazine!

 

 

The threads were locked in the public sections because it is a political subject and there is a thread in the private politics section to discuss it.

 

The thread *I* was talking about was locked PERIOD. For no reason that I can see, even after comparing it to "rule #2" that was posted as the reason for closing it.

 

Also, instead of locking threads in public sections, how about just moving them to the private sections instead, and NOT lock them?

Anyone should be able to read the political threads. Make people become a premier member to actually post and/or reply to those threads. Like the classifieds.

Anyone should be able to read the political threads. Make people become a premier member to actually post to those threads. Just like the classifieds.

 

Even better. Actually, that's how virtually every forum I frequent operates (and most of them aren't about guns, not that it matters.)

All I know is the issue of resurrecting the federal assault weapon ban is a serious gun rights issue that needs as much open debate as possible. We are not talking about gay rights or abortion, if we can't discuss something like who might and might not support another AWB we should all just pack it in now.

All I know is the issue of resurrecting the federal assault weapon ban is a serious gun rights issue that needs as much open debate as possible. We are not talking about gay rights or abortion, if we can't discuss something like who might and might not support another AWB we should all just pack it in now.

 

+100

 

And great idea on opening up the politics section and then making ppl pay if they want to post!!

If I had to guess, I would think that the Politics section is closed to non-paying members because sub-forums like that tend to draw the wackos, trolls, racists, etc that make all gun owners look bad. Having stuff like that show up on a Google search would not be doing any of us any favors, and the time spent moderating political forums to excise the noxious comments would be more effort than it is worth and bring up claims of censorship (which it is).

Those that pay the $3 per month to support this site (frankly I can't understand why a gun owner in this state would not cough up a pittance for this valuable resource) get to post there. Everyone else is really just a visitor.

If I had to guess, I would think that the Politics section is closed to non-paying members because sub-forums like that tend to draw the wackos, trolls, racists, etc that make all gun owners look bad.

as far as I know.. this is the answer...

If I had to guess, I would think that the Politics section is closed to non-paying members because sub-forums like that tend to draw the wackos, trolls, racists, etc that make all gun owners look bad. Having stuff like that show up on a Google search would not be doing any of us any favors, and the time spent moderating political forums to excise the noxious comments would be more effort than it is worth and bring up claims of censorship (which it is).

Those that pay the $3 per month to support this site (frankly I can't understand why a gun owner in this state would not cough up a pittance for this valuable resource) get to post there. Everyone else is really just a visitor.

 

Outside of issues specific to guns I would agree this might be reasonable and prudent but I have to argue limiting political discussion about gun laws and candidates hostile to gun rights is counter productive to our interests.

There is only one reason for the premium membership. It is to keep order in sensitive areas of the forum. The forum is more about time then money. Forums can support themselves on ads alone if you want to go that route. This forum doesn't support a lot of ads. Which is good and bad. Another thing. We support this forum just by coming on it and being members and contributing in discussion. That is what a forum is for. You dont have to pay to support it. With out the users on this forum it would not exist. You are the product the forum offers. I don't see the value personally in paying. I would rather donate money to various organizations like NRA nj2a and such. But that's just me and I don't complain. There are plenty of places you can discuss politics elsewhere. Some people may disagree.

I'm kind of at a loss here. What is there to discuss? Is there truly anyone that would frequent this type of board that would be in favor of reinstituting the AWB of 1994 or an even harsher version of it. Is there anybody here who is not fully cognizant of how Obama feels about guns. One has but to look at things like his SCOTUS picks, his choice for AG and how he has comported himself, the city/state from which he comes, etc, etc, etc. One would have to be naieve beyond belief to think he is anything but anti-gun. So, again, what is there to discuss? Obama finally categorically stated it and removed all doubt (like there was any), but it's not like we didn't know it was coming.

 

Nothing to talk about here, except showing Obama the door, come November.

 

Adios,

 

Pizza Bob

I'm kind of at a loss here. What is there to discuss? Is there truly anyone that would frequent this type of board that would be in favor of reinstituting the AWB of 1994 or an even harsher version of it. Is there anybody here who is not fully cognizant of how Obama feels about guns. One has but to look at things like his SCOTUS picks, his choice for AG and how he has comported himself, the city/state from which he comes, etc, etc, etc. One would have to be naieve beyond belief to think he is anything but anti-gun. So, again, what is there to discuss? Obama finally categorically stated it and removed all doubt (like there was any), but it's not like we didn't know it was coming.

 

Nothing to talk about here, except showing Obama the door, come November.

 

Adios,

 

Pizza Bob

 

+100

I'm kind of at a loss here. What is there to discuss? Is there truly anyone that would frequent this type of board that would be in favor of reinstituting the AWB of 1994 or an even harsher version of it. Is there anybody here who is not fully cognizant of how Obama feels about guns. One has but to look at things like his SCOTUS picks, his choice for AG and how he has comported himself, the city/state from which he comes, etc, etc, etc. One would have to be naieve beyond belief to think he is anything but anti-gun. So, again, what is there to discuss? Obama finally categorically stated it and removed all doubt (like there was any), but it's not like we didn't know it was coming.

 

Nothing to talk about here, except showing Obama the door, come November.

 

Adios,

 

Pizza Bob

 

The choir knows this; my point is that for the political novice that does not understand the issues and gets their news and opinions from their educational institution, newspapers or other traditional mass media with an agenda are the types of people I am talking about. They rarely have an opportunity to have access to an open discussion of the facts by truly knowledgeable people on the subject and if they are seeking knowledge they are not going to pay $30+ a year to join a forum to find it. Hiding those types of discussions behind a member's only section where only like-minded people can benefit from the discussion is what is really pointless.

Personally, I think that as much as I enjoy coming to the forums and reading about firearms...I think that this is not a good place for someone who does not understand the issues to come to build a foundation. Any time someone has come to me and expressed an interest in understanding more (looking on the internet, or anti-gunner facebook postings, or "I wanna shoot a gun!"), I recommend that they take a course in basic firearms safety. I took mine at shootnj. I also recommend GFH regularly. The reason for this is that the moment you sit down and the talk is serious, and you get a feel for the fact that we don't consider guns to be toys and that learning to handle them properly and maturely is PARAMOUNT. This goes a long way...it goes much further than eavesdropping on the choir.

 

I have found, through personal experience, that the shooting community is comprised of some of the nicest most welcoming people I've ever met. I get your point here, but there is a genuine risk that discussing politics on an open forum rings the dinner bell for the crazies and tinfoil hat wearing folks. So much so that it is a detriment to our mission.

 

For me, my mission is to lead by example as a responsible, reasoned and safe gun owner. I talk about it whenever I can and stress safe handling and respect for the gun. Because the truth is, once someone takes a serious course in safe handling followed up by ringing a gong at 25 yards....their argument is sunk. The other side loses an ally.

 

Don't ask me how I know. I've already been accused of wearing a scarlet letter.

To have a politics section open to public would most likely turn into a shit show here. We had to lock a thread on which dog to get. A thread here about Obama and an AWB will just turn into a bitchfest about the liberals and democrats. How much serious discussion would there really be? No One here wants the AWB.

 

Pay your $3 and we can **** about it all youd like

To have a politics section open to public would most likely turn into a shit show here. We had to lock a thread on which dog to get. A thread here about Obama and an AWB will just turn into a bitchfest about the liberals and democrats. How much serious discussion would there really be? No One here wants the AWB.

 

Pay your $3 and we can **** about it all youd like

 

I guess this is futile, I don't want to preach to the choir in some back room, I want to expose the facts and the truth to others that don't necessarily have access to it. Why would I spend $3 so I can discuss politics with a bunch of people that agree with me? Besides that takes all the fun out of it. LOL

What is the purpose of this forum, for all of us to pay dues so we can piss **** and moan to each other about the problem or to provide and open environment for all to actually discuss the situation and educate others?

 

For me, the first one. NJGF is stitch & b***h for gun nuts

 

For me, the first one. NJGF is stitch & b***h for gun nuts

 

 

On its face it would sure seem that way. :wild:

To be serious and to the OP, I don't think forums reach the public and change people's minds, though I do think forums are a place where people with common interests can meet up. From there, they can plan events like the Shotgun Shoot, the "First Shoot" or any of the dozens of other club events going on. Those events, plus every newbie who comes here saying, "I'm thinking about getting a gun, how do I get a permit?" and twelve months later is saying,"I just competed in my first match!" - that to me is the best education and real-world impact of these forums.

 

And sometimes it's fun to start a 9 vs 45 argument just because.

 

And sometimes it's fun to start a 9 vs 45 argument just because.

 

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