LOL

 

For some reason the Jersians don't do that when they shop over here that I have seen.

That actually happened in NH!

 

I get you. And you are right. I wasn't referring to everybody. I probably generalized a bit too much. My point was, there are people (particularly in places like NJ), that do freak out over the sight of a firearm. I was joking about the particular reaction, but I've witnessed someone pull an about face and scurry off at the sight of a pistol!

 

I remember the day I brought my AK home from the FFL. My neighbor and the neighborhood Liberal were next door so I called them over to see my new toy. My neighbor was all into checking it and dry firing it. The neighborhood Liberal ran home saying "I'm out of here before someone gets killed." No ammo, no mag, no matter. He fled in fear.

 

Long way of saying, Bonesinium's points are realistic. Maybe not common, but certainly realistic.

 

I remember the day I brought my AK home from the FFL. My neighbor and the neighborhood Liberal were next door so I called them over to see my new toy. My neighbor was all into checking it and dry firing it. The neighborhood Liberal ran home saying "I'm out of here before someone gets killed." No ammo, no mag, no matter. He fled in fear.

 

Long way of saying, Bonesinium's points are realistic. Maybe not common, but certainly realistic.

 

Sounds like the neighborhood liberal was a bit ignorant. You gave him a venue to ask questions and possibly learn something about an item he fears. Instead it sounds like he chickened out!

I only started carrying at home since I've been cleaning up and repairing the basement after Sandy. A lot of times I'm in the house alone, leaving the alleyway gate and basement doors open to make it easier to get in and out with material. More than a few times I've caught mopes walking through the neighborhood checking out things (tools, metal scrap, etc.) that are on my property.

 

Not that I'm gonna shoot anyone for trying to lift some scrapped downspout, but I WILL scare the caca out of them.

"I WILL scare the caca out of them"

 

How exactly?

Displaying the weapon in any threatening manner ould be deemed as menacing and get you arrested

Displaying the weapon in any threatening manner ould be deemed as menacing and get you arrested

 

So then, why do we own them?

For target sports and to protect your life in the event somebody is trying to take yours. Not to scare off undesirables in your neighborhood just because they look shady.

My cousin went from "I don't need a gun" to realizing that if someone broke in he would literally be defenseless. We are now in the process of getting him a firearm. I did the same thing... I slept with my gun, well, not really. But it was ready for very quick access at any whimper or bark from our dog.

 

The entire time my power was out I carried... Felt like a movie around here how quiet it was.. Def and uneasy feeling...

 

Exactly. It was very uneasy feeling esp knowing we were one of the beacons on the road with a generator humming. Therefor there was 1 in the chamber at all times. I don't exactly agree with ccw whilst mowing the lawn, though we did have the escaped baboon up the road and a couple of close bear sightings..

Not to scare off undesirables in your neighborhood just because they look shady.

 

Somewhat disagree. Scaring off is still better and preferable to shooting someone. But to be clear, he didn't say "undesirables in his neighborhood", he said someone who was attempting to burglarize him. Better to scare them off BEFORE they possibly threaten your life and you HAVE to shoot.

I'm not saying it's right but in this state property protection does not justify shooting someone.

Pointing a loaded weapon at some one without justification is aggervated assault. You can't point a gun at someone just because they look menacing.

Pointing a loaded weapon at some one without justification is aggervated assault. You can't point a gun at someone just because they look menacing.

+1. Pointing a loaded weapon means you are willing to destroy whatever is on the other end. What would you kill over. Property...no.

Listen I am for everyone carrying a gun if they arent a felon but when people dont understand the responsibility that comes with it, thats where I have a problem.

What about in the case of the storm aftermath? No power, no heat, no phone. I was unable to close my door because of the extension cords so anyone could just walk in. If someone stole my gas or my generator they are putting my family in peril. I'm not talking about a stereo or a tv. But, if my food, my heat, and my fuel are stolen isn't that iminent?

 

Playing devil's advocate here.

 

But, if someone comes into my house suddenly, I can reasonably expect that their intention is to cause me or my family serious harm.

What about in the case of the storm aftermath? No power, no heat, no phone. I was unable to close my door because of the extension cords so anyone could just walk in. If someone stole my gas or my generator they are putting my family in peril. I'm not talking about a stereo or a tv. But, if my food, my heat, and my fuel are stolen isn't that iminent?

 

Playing devil's advocate here.

 

But, if someone comes into my house suddenly, I can reasonably expect that their intention is to cause me or my family serious harm.

 

The situation you describe constitutes looting. In America there are different standards for use of deadly force for looting than there are for a run-of-the-mill B&E. But here in NJ, I would be very cautious about using deadly force to defend my generator. While I would be likely to present my firearm when confronting a looter (in the case you describe, I would certainly choose a shotgun over a pistol), I hope I would not actually point it directly at him unless he made a subsequent threatening gesture. But who knows what anyone might do in the stress of the actual encounter?

I'm not saying it's right but in this state property protection does not justify shooting someone.

 

Oh right- we're in NJ. lol

 

I was just coming down on the side of "brandishing to stop a crime", because it has- hundreds of thousands of times. But yeah- here in PRNJ you've got to be really careful what you do, especially if your life isn't at immediate risk.

Pointing a loaded weapon at some one without justification is aggervated assault. You can't point a gun at someone just because they look menacing.

 

"justification" varies by state. I'd rather live somewhere with the castle law.

Oh right- we're in NJ. lol

 

I was just coming down on the side of "brandishing to stop a crime", because it has- hundreds of thousands of times. But yeah- here in PRNJ you've got to be really careful what you do, especially if your life isn't at immediate risk.

 

Looter tries to steal generator, homeowner points shotgun at looter, looter runs away, cops arrest homeowner for ADW.

Maybe in North Jersey. Not down here in the South.

 

I only recommend restraint from pointing a firearm at a looter because I hope I would not actually point a firearm at a human being until after I have reached the conclusion that deadly force is warranted. To me, the act of pointing a firearm at someone is in itself potentially deadly force.

Looter tries to steal generator, homeowner points shotgun at looter, looter runs away, cops arrest homeowner for ADW.

Maybe in North Jersey. Not down here in the South.

 

I only recommend restraint from pointing a firearm at a looter because I hope I would not actually point a firearm at a human being until after I have reached the conclusion that deadly force is warranted. To me, the act of pointing a firearm at someone is in itself potentially deadly force.

 

Brandishing does not mean pointing it at the perp. Read your own post above. It was quite eloquent.

What about in the case of the storm aftermath? No power, no heat, no phone. I was unable to close my door because of the extension cords so anyone could just walk in. If someone stole my gas or my generator they are putting my family in peril. I'm not talking about a stereo or a tv. But, if my food, my heat, and my fuel are stolen isn't that iminent?

 

Playing devil's advocate here.

 

But, if someone comes into my house suddenly, I can reasonably expect that their intention is to cause me or my family serious harm.

 

 

I've always kept quiet about the subject of carrying at home. I've always thought the idea to be almost a bit funny and over the top, however the situation you outlined above, I beleive, would be the only reason you may ever find me carrying while at home. Those folks who are surviving Sandy were/are at risk, with no power and everyone in a survival mode. I can't blame anyone for carrying during that time. Carrying at home, just to carry? Not for me, but congrats to those who choose to do so.

I think there's something to he said about the public's perception. I'll go out on a limb and suggest that if someone is open carrying a handgun, people assume it's because they're allowed to. They most likely assume that it's because of the person's profession. I doubt people who don't care about guns know the laws regarding their manner of carry.

I see no reason to carry at home. To each his own. During the storm and after yes I completely understand and I did. If I didn't have a child running around my firearms would be far more accessible. On me at home no but out where they can be easily accessed...yes

Like I'm sure most of you guys, mentality after Sandys affects was defcon 1. I carried because it just made sense to. We've been able to turn awareness down to normal levels since, meaning that defense pistols are no longer at the hip, but in their normal accessible location. Home is the closest thing we have to a sanctuary. without insulting anyone, I feel a little sorry for anyone who never feels comfortable enough to take the holster off. Being outside of the home is another story, wish I could carry all day.

 

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Listen I am for everyone carrying a gun if they arent a felon but when people dont understand the responsibility that comes with it, thats where I have a problem.

 

I'll assume that your generalization was meant for me. Let me explain:

 

If I'm working in A) My basement; B) My alley way; C) My backyard, I am legally entitled to carry my weapon, am I not? If B and C happen to be within line of vision of someone on the sidewalk, but I don't venture off my property and keep said weapon holstered but visible, I still haven't broken any laws, have I? As to an earlier post of yours, where exactly did I ever say I was going to point a gun at anyone? The wearing of the firearm in an OWB holster was strictly as a deterrent, and not to "undesirables", but to anyone with larceny or worse on their minds.

 

Thanks for your input, though.....

+1. Pointing a loaded weapon means you are willing to destroy whatever is on the other end. What would you kill over. Property...no.

 

And again, you guys are building a scenario that I never once posited.

"I WILL scare the caca out of them"

 

How exactly?

 

How? Well, when they glance into the alley way, or in my yard, and see a person wearing a gun on his hip, they may then realize that it isn't the ideal place from which to pilfer from, invade, cause bodily harm, etc. Maybe "scare the caca out of them" was the wrong phrase to use. How about: "I WILL cause them to reconsider whatever scumbag behavior they were thinking of engaging in"?

Ok. You are assuming they care you have a gun. IMHO I'd rather have the element of surprise on my side. But hey some people want to say "Hey look at me I have a gun, so if you are going to do any harm anyway take me out first."

Ok. You are assuming they care you have a gun. IMHO I'd rather have the element of surprise on my side. But hey some people want to say "Hey look at me I have a gun, so if you are going to do any harm anyway take me out first."

 

Once again, making it clear that I'm carrying ON my property as a deterrent, hoping it never gets to the stage where anyone will be taking someone out first. I didn't have the option of putting up barbed wire on my fences, or posting a bunch of "Beware of Dog", "Premises Under CCTV Surveillance", "Protection by ADT" signs around the front of my home, so I thought anyone skulking around outside--and there were plenty of skulkers in this part of town--who could clearly see onto my property, realizing that I was armed, would be DETERRED from doing anything illegal.

 

In the days following Sandy, neither my neighbors or I saw ONE Bayonne police car come down the block. On night 2 someone opened my front gate, walked about 15' down the alley and dragged out my gutter and downspout that had been blown off. Thanks to two generators running near the house I never heard a sound. Did I really care about losing what was now scrap? No. What absolutely bothered me was the fact that someone would feel free to enter my property at all.

 

Again, would I "brandish" the gun at someone for simply looking into my property? No, I would not. Would I draw the gun because someone suddenly turned up, uninvited, in my basement while I'm working there? I just might. And I think that's being a helluva lot more honest than some of the holier-than-thou posters on this subject. It has nothing to do with protecting my property, and I'm sure not worried about garnering "justification" at that point. I've got an intruder in the house, with my family members upstairs, and I'm not really concerned about playing 20 questions at that point in order to figure out the guy's motivations.