http://www.examiner.com/article/senator-feinstein-looking-to-introduce-new-assault-weapons-ban

 

Didn't take long for this to happen!

So, you read a blog that said another blog had "sources" tell him that this is happening? Sounds legit, time to stock up on stripped lowers and ammo!

 

This self-perpetuating lunacy is making this forum nearly unreadable.

This self-perpetuating lunacy is making this forum nearly unreadable.

 

There is LOTS of that on this forum. See: any firearms transportation thread. And you are incorrect; the forum is COMPLETELY unreadable.

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Well let's see.

 

No grandfathering = dead in the water. States can play the "you can sell it out of state" game, but the fedgov would have to pony up compensation to be constitutional.

 

If it was as stated in the article, it'd be like the last 5 or 6 awb renewal bills drafted that died in committee

Alarmist or not, it is good to have this stuff posted, even if people get annoyed by it. If we want to keep our rights, we have to take every potential threat seriously.

Well let's see.

 

No grandfathering = dead in the water. States can play the "you can sell it out of state" game, but the fedgov would have to pony up compensation to be constitutional.

 

If it was as stated in the article, it'd be like the last 5 or 6 awb renewal bills drafted that died in committee

 

Oh man, just thinking about the billions of dollars they'd have to pony up made me laugh. They can barely put together a budget for the stuff we have now. Try tacking on all the man hours and compensation that would be required for a ban of that scope.

Senator Dianne Feinstein Moves To Ban ALL Assault Rifles, High Capacity Magazines, and Pistol Grips

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Maybe a more reputable source of information for the "trolls".

The purpose of an Executive Order is to tell agencies how to carry out or clarify laws passed by Congress. Although they have the force of law they cannot make laws like an AWB. This was established by SCOTUS during the Truman administration. All Presidents since Truman have been careful to cite which existing laws the EO applies.

 

The only issue that hasn't been tested in court regarding Executive Orders is the President's ability to use military force under the War Powers Act. The reason it hasn't been tested is most likely because all Presidents have gone to Congress for approval when they have used the War Powers Act.

....and do what? All we see are posts here and what can or should be done. We wait for the next post then crab about that one. All the crabbing in the world here gets no where. I'm not saying not to post stuff. Just saying, posting stuff anywhere is like stagnant pond scum. It goes no where. IMHO...

 

Now if we all wanted to rise to the occassion, make big poster signs and line the capital steps, then that would be a different story. Otherwise... just pond scum.

 

If we want to keep our rights, we have to take every potential threat seriously.

Alarmist or not, it is good to have this stuff posted, even if people get annoyed by it. If we want to keep our rights, we have to take every potential threat seriously.

If it doesn't have a bill number, it isn't a potential threat.Seriously, since 2004 there have been at least three submitted by that crazy lady from upstate new york. Nothing without grandfathering has made it out if a committee with a majority of not only dems, but gun grabbing dems. Save your worrying until something is submitted. Until then the news is reporting "Dianne Feinstein hates guns and gun owners.". Really? That's news?

If it doesn't have a bill number, it isn't a potential threat.

 

Disagree. These posts aren't "pond scum", they are spreading the latest developments, threats yet or not, to people who are supposed to care. If enough people who care realize what MIGHT happen, that it might "get a bill number attached to it", perhaps it won't. You don't wait until your 2 strikes down to start looking to swing.

 

If you don't care, or think these informational posts are rubbish, you're foolish, and can ignore them at your pleasure. And ours.

I think you are missing the point of the pond scum remark I made even though you quoted the other fellow....

The point I was trying to make is we don't do anything about these threats. We just discuss/argue/crab/etc... however you want to describe the posts.

That is all. I like the fact they are brought to our attention here. We sometimes don't all get to find or see them on other news medias or just miss them.

But nobody does anything about the problem... do we?????? Hmmmm? That is what I meant. Dare I say arm chair quarterbacking?

I'm sure we all care or we wouldn't be here. Each cares to the intensity it affects them. Most only care to that point because society has become that way. I have yet to see a 1 Million Mile Anti Assault Weapon Ban March yet... especially stemming from here. lol...

 

Disagree. These posts aren't "pond scum", they are spreading the latest developments, threats yet or not, to people who are supposed to care. If enough people who care realize what MIGHT happen, that it might "get a bill number attached to it", perhaps it won't. You don't wait until your 2 strikes down to start looking to swing.

 

If you don't care, or think these informational posts are rubbish, you're foolish, and can ignore them at your pleasure. And ours.

Like I said in the other thread...

 

I think you are missing the point of the pond scum remark I made even though you quoted the other fellow....

The point I was trying to make is we don't do anything about these threats. We just discuss/argue/crab/etc... however you want to describe the posts.

That is all. I like the fact they are brought to our attention here. We sometimes don't all get to find or see them on other news medias or just miss them.

But nobody does anything about the problem... do we?????? Hmmmm? That is what I meant. Dare I say arm chair quarterbacking?

I'm sure we all care or we wouldn't be here. Each cares to the intensity it affects them. Most only care to that point because society has become that way. I have yet to see a 1 Million Mile Anti Assault Weapon Ban March yet... especially stemming from here. lol...

 

Well, I'm a member of the NRA, and GOA, and NJ2A, so while I am not "marching on DC", I am doing something. I also act on every legislative alert the GOA sends out. I would like to think (almost) everyone here does likewise, otherwise they are careless.

 

Besides that, and voting for pro-2A people, if the govt decides it simply isn't going to REPRESENT us anymore, well... that's what 2A is for. With the rapid-fire gun assault of the last 2 days, I don't think it's alarmist to stay VERY informed on this stuff, or you'll wake up one morning the AWB2 or the UN-US treaty being ratified. This is all scary stuff worthy of concern.

The so called 'e-vile' "assault weapons" aka 'black rifles' have gone mainstream. Even Walmart sells them with 30 round magazines in some areas. The average Joe Six pack can buy them readily off the shelf. They are popular and good sellers. Talk of 'banning' popular rifles that the public now likes will create a lot of opposition...This isn't 1994 anymore...a lot of the public has woken up...the politicians are pissing in the wind...

The so called 'e-vile' "assault weapons" aka 'black rifles' have gone mainstream. Even Walmart sells them with 30 round magazines in some areas. The average Joe Six pack can buy them readily off the shelf. They are popular and good sellers. Talk of 'banning' popular rifles that the public now likes will create a lot of opposition...This isn't 1994 anymore...a lot of the public has woken up...the politicians are pissing in the wind...

 

i certainly hope you're right, but I'm preparing for if you're wrong, and it might turn out that you are...only time will tell.

The are certainly NO WHERE near enough votes in the house and most likley the senate too, so why even bother thinking about it? Aint gonna happen!

Yep and me too. But that's the most, most of us would probably do. But I'm willing to bet quite a few just brush things off and hope it doesn't happen. That's complacency for ya.

 

Well, I'm a member of the NRA, and GOA, and NJ2A, so while I am not "marching on DC", I am doing something. I also act on every legislative alert the GOA sends out. I would like to think (almost) everyone here does likewise, otherwise they are careless.

 

Besides that, and voting for pro-2A people, if the govt decides it simply isn't going to REPRESENT us anymore, well... that's what 2A is for. With the rapid-fire gun assault of the last 2 days, I don't think it's alarmist to stay VERY informed on this stuff, or you'll wake up one morning the AWB2 or the UN-US treaty being ratified. This is all scary stuff worthy of concern.

The are certainly NO WHERE near enough votes in the house and most likley the senate too, so why even bother thinking about it? Aint gonna happen!

 

Again, I hope you're right. I'm not "worried", I'm "prepared." To not be prepared in the event something like that might happen is foolish for us gun nuts/2A people. This isn't just a "hobby" or "sport" for alot of us.

Yep and me too. But that's the most, most of us would probably do. But I'm willing to bet quite a few just brush things off and hope it doesn't happen. That's complacency for ya.

 

Agreed. See the post above yours.

I forgot to mention the many TV shows that also help popularize the rifles, "American Guns", "Cajun Pawn Stars" and of course "Sons of Guns" and others. None of these programs were on TV in 1994, in fact I don't recall any time in the past that showed these popular rifles in a good light and on a weekly basis as they are today.

 

I am not saying lets go to sleep and not be concerned about it, (always keep aware what the commies are planning) I am saying that the tide turned awhile ago. The rifles have become mainstream and very popular. An out of touch, clueless politician from California can't and will not change American opinion. Her rants has fallen on deaf ears across America. Her stance is out of step with the rest of America, her 15 minutes of fame faded in the early 90's and she seems to believe this is still the 1990's...it ain't....

GOP lost because the hardline stance they took, alienating themsleves from the moderate Libs, Latinos, etc. Hopefully, the Dems realise that by imposing more gun control they will likewise alieneate the 2Aers and focus on more pressing matters like the economy.

Senator Dianne Feinstein Moves To Ban ALL Assault Rifles, High Capacity Magazines, and Pistol Grips

Read more at http://marketdailyne...69ltOsWt7OYR.99

 

 

Maybe a more reputable source of information for the "trolls".

Where is the more reputable source? Their "source" is Mac Slavo... the same as every other article about Feinstein that has come out in the last couple days. Every article points back to him and stops there... and all he's done is regurgitate old Feinstein quotes from months ago.

 

<snip>they are spreading the latest developments, </snip>

Maybe I missed it, but what exactly are the "latest developments"? All I'm seeing are quotes from Feinstein that date back to Sept and July...

 

What am I missing here?

Hopefully, the Dems realise that by imposing more gun control they will likewise alieneate the 2Aers

 

HAHAHAHAHAHA.............

Yes, I know it's probably asking too much.

 

HAHAHAHAHAHA.............

The way I see it, maybe it does die in committee, I pray it does, and I believe it probably would. However, when we catch wind of anything like this, we need to pay attention so we can act before it's too late.

 

People are waking up, and support for gun rights is growing. However, there is the saying, " A well-organized minority will always beat a disorganized majority." We do need to be vigilant, and take every threat seriously. If you aren't already, please, consider joining the NJ2AS and other gun-rights groups. Even if you're a busy person and can't attend meetings, you can still be immensely helpful. Facebook and email can keep you in the loop without having to be at all the meetings. And honestly, you can have a huge impact by simply contacting politicians. Write a quick letter or email, and you'll make a world's of difference for our rights. I mean, part of the reason NJ is so anti-gun is because our politicians believe they can look good by pushing "feel-good legislation" and that there won't be any political repercussions for infringing upon our rights. We need to show them they are wrong.

 

Remember, freedom isn't free, and we can't simply take it for granted, in order to maintain our freedom, we must take action to protect them. If we stand idly by, we sign our rights away through our inaction.

Okay this might sound completely crazy and be a very dangerous game to play when it comes to gun rights, but it could be fun/funny. I was thinking about this and an Idea popped into my head. We should write emails to her and other rabidly anti gun politicians encouraging her to really try hard to pursue such a new assault weapons bill. Since this potential bill would have an almost 0% of ever passing we would not have to really worry about it regardless. But If these politicians perceive that there is much support behind these bills they will waste a lot more time, meaning they would be spending less time trying to come up with other anti gun bills, which could actually have the potential to pass. I also would love to see it actually become a bill only to be voted against 430-5 that would be hilarious (Well not love to see it make it that far, but to see it be voted down by that big of a margin I think that would really piss off those anti gun politicians)

 

I kind of see it like a controlled burn. By having a small easily contained fire you can prevent a major Forrest fire. In general the US is moving more and more to pro gun positions, but as of now there is still enough support of anti gun laws that the government has the potential to still move towards anti gun positions especially if it were to happen in small bits. All it would take is those politicians just finding the right spot to begin their push. The longer they are focused on "assault weapons", which we all know is pretty much a nonstarter theses days, the right starting point for such action becomes a smaller and smaller target. It's all a very dangerous game to play with our rights but in the end could be very beneficial.

Okay this might sound completely crazy and be a very dangerous game to play when it comes to gun rights, but it could be fun/funny. I was thinking about this and an Idea popped into my head. We should write emails to her and other rabidly anti gun politicians encouraging her to really try hard to pursue such a new assault weapons bill. Since this potential bill would have an almost 0% of ever passing we would not have to really worry about it regardless. But If these politicians perceive that there is much support behind these bills they will waste a lot more time, meaning they would be spending less time trying to come up with other anti gun bills, which could actually have the potential to pass. I also would love to see it actually become a bill only to be voted against 430-5 that would be hilarious (Well not love to see it make it that far, but to see it be voted down by that big of a margin I think that would really piss off those anti gun politicians)

 

I kind of see it like a controlled burn. By having a small easily contained fire you can prevent a major Forrest fire. In general the US is moving more and more to pro gun positions, but as of now there is still enough support of anti gun laws that the government has the potential to still move towards anti gun positions especially if it were to happen in small bits. All it would take is those politicians just finding the right spot to begin their push. The longer they are focused on "assault weapons", which we all know is pretty much a nonstarter theses days, the right starting point for such action becomes a smaller and smaller target. It's all a very dangerous game to play with our rights but in the end could be very beneficial.

 

I would not even pretend to support anything like that....

 

the zombie Apocalypse happened a long time ago.. the majority of the nation is just wandering around without a brain.. they look to the media.. society.. to tell them what to think... if anti gun support (even fake) becomes mainstream... i worry it could catch on....

I would not even pretend to support anything like that....

 

the zombie Apocalypse happened a long time ago.. the majority of the nation is just wandering around without a brain.. they look to the media.. society.. to tell them what to think... if anti gun support (even fake) becomes mainstream... i worry it could catch on....

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