Sorry I am on the tail end of a long shift. And if you read all of the articles and information he was being served with an arrest warrant for burglary charges when he "assaulted" the officer. And my last post I was trying to say that if any of us were being arrested on burglary charges and did what this man did I would think we'd have our guns taken too.

 

My point is we don't know exactly what this man did. If they were serving an arrest warrant on him, why would they let him go pack inside and grab a jacket. If they were indeed arresting him and not just questioning him, wouldn't they put cuffs on him first?

 

Hinkel was arrested in January 2009, when state police went to his home to question him in an unrelated investigation and found numerous firearms in plain view. They later executed a search warrant at the four-acre site and discovered hundreds of guns.

 

This is how I am reading the timeline of events:

-Police went to his house to question him about the burglary

-He allegedly grabbed a gun

-Gets arrested for assaulting a cop

-Execute a search warrant on his property

-Find NJ illegal long guns, and evil cap mags

-Few years later found guilty of weapons charges

*He was never arrested or charged with burgulary

 

There is no doubt that if any of us were in this same situation that our firearms would be stolen from us. But my point is they shouldn't be.

forgive a silly question, but it listed the norinco 7.62x39 under the list of illegals. thought these were ok? unless it was one with more than one evil feature...

My point is we don't know exactly what this man did. If they were serving an arrest warrant on him, why would they let him go pack inside and grab a jacket. If they were indeed arresting him and not just questioning him, wouldn't they put cuffs on him first?

 

 

 

This is how I am reading the timeline of events:

-Police went to his house to question him about the burglary

-He allegedly grabbed a gun

-Gets arrested for assaulting a cop

-Execute a search warrant on his property

-Find NJ illegal long guns, and evil cap mags

-Few years later found guilty of weapons charges

*He was never arrested or charged with burgulary

 

There is no doubt that if any of us were in this same situation that our firearms would be stolen from us. But my point is they shouldn't be.

 

Hmmmmm, complacency has been known to kill more than one officer and it sounds as if this trooper got lucky based on the info from the news articles. Disabled ex cop/old guy was probably cooperative asking for his coat, officer doesn't see him as any real threat and lets him retrieve it, but at least stays within reactive distance of him. Definitely not by the book, but I can see this happening in some instances.

 

I look at it like this: If this guy was not guilty of anything why would he go for a gun? This isn't a typical scenario that the rest of us would have to worry about.

I look at it like this: If this guy was not guilty of anything why would he go for a gun? This isn't a typical scenario that the rest of us would have to worry about.

When I reach into my fridge, am I going for the turkey leg or the potato salad?

The definitive question is did he try to unholster the pistol

Hmmmmm, complacency has been known to kill more than one officer and it sounds as if this trooper got lucky based on the info from the news articles. Disabled ex cop/old guy was probably cooperative asking for his coat, officer doesn't see him as any real threat and lets him retrieve it, but at least stays within reactive distance of him. Definitely not by the book, but I can see this happening in some instances.

 

I look at it like this: If this guy was not guilty of anything why would he go for a gun? This isn't a typical scenario that the rest of us would have to worry about.

 

None of us were there so we can only assume. But I laid out one scenario a few posts ago where it could of been a complete misunderstanding. I honestly don't think they were going to arrest him for burglary, possibly question him about it but not arrest. He was arrested for assaulting a cop, he was recently found guilty of the weapons charges. None of these articles say anything about him being charged with burglary. Maybe the reporter thought "an arrest warrant for burglary" sounded more newsworthy then "being questioned about a burglary".

My only concern is how someone paid for all that on a disability pension.

 

If I could get someone to hand me $80k a year and full paid benefits to subsidize my income I would have a substantial amount of extra money to blow on ammo and toys.

 

One of my most recent bosses has a nice deal, former cop in his early 40s with $80k a year and benefits on a disability pension on top of the $140+k salary he earns as a director. Nice gig if you can get it scam it.

before this thread gets off track (like a lot of other threads seem to be doing) i have a serious question.

 

i found the indictment for this guy. it doesn't describe exactly why the norinco is an assault weapon, nor does it specify model, sks, mak etc.

 

question: does anyone know any more about this? was it an sks with a detachable mag? mak90 with a threaded muzzel and pistol grip?

 

 

 

<EDIT> i think i just answered my own question. the serial number given in the indictment starts with 81 and i think the first 2 numbers on any of them denote the year of importation. MAKs were only imported from 90 to 94 if i'm right, any norincos before that would have been in pre ban config. please some one help me make sure i've got this right.

Edited November 21, 201213 yr by acuevo

here is a video http://www.nbcphilad...ge-Arsenal.html

 

there was a lengthy discussion here and they bring some great points-http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-424285.html

When I reach into my fridge, am I going for the turkey leg or the potato salad?

The definitive question is did he try to unholster the pistol

 

You would never wait for him to remove his pistol as an indicator of when to take action against him. The Trooper would have to be in fear of death or serious bodily injury in order to employ deadly force against someone. It appears the story indicated he was being placed under arrest for burglary or theft, then he ran back into the house and straight for a gun. Common sense dictates what his intent was. If a police officer tells you that you are under arrest and you turn, run and grab a holstered gun you COULD be legally shot the moment you grab the holster.

Not related to the topic in discussion:

Neighbor Antoinette Ragone, who saw what police hauled away, was stunned. “I’m shocked and I’m upset because I live here, I have a 14-year-old son, 15-year-old nephew with me.

 

Shocked I tell ya, shocked...

 

Why would a former police officer have an arsenal like that? “We do believe he had a firearms purchase permit and he was legally able to possess firearms, but whether or not the firearms themselves are legal is a different question,” said Sgt. Jones.

 

That's why and that's good enough for me.