* I am in PA and this build is legal here. If you are in NJ or any other state. Please check your local rules before attempting this.

 

Parts:

 

Blackthorne polymer A3 stripped upper

New Frontier polymer lower

Tatum Tactical 8" HBAR pistol barrel

RRA pistol buffer tube

Magpul K grip

CAA Stock saddle

DIY carbon forearm

4 piece "Krink" style brake

Spikes trigger group

Mil spec BCG

Kies adj gasblock

Magpul AFG

Troy Tritium BUIS

 

This build originally started out as an attempt to build a NJ legal AR pistol, but I soon realised that I would never meet the 50oz limit with some of the parts I already had on hand.. So now it is just a lightish weight AR pistol with polymer receivers.

 

Notes:

 

- Blackthorne have had a bad rap with their assembled products, but this upper is well made. (Actually better than the New Frontiers lower)

- The CAA stock saddle is legal for use on a pistol. There is a copy of an ATF 'ok' letter available on the web. Magpul AFG's are legal also.

- The Kies GB comes with a set screw with which you can vary the amount of gas passing through. I'm now crafting a modified thumbscrew with a two position detent mechanism so that I can switch between super and sub sonic ammo. And perhaps for suppressor use in the future.

 

 

 

 

 

If any of you decide to buy a NJ legal AR pistol I'd suggest using;

 

- The poymer trigger group by New Frontiers

- Light profile 7.5" barrel. If you cant find one, Midway sells a nice, light profile SS 10.5" that you could cutdown.

- JP or Young light BCG with the lightest buffer and the strongest main spring.

- Alum instead of steel barrel nut

- Ditch the forward assist button and plug the hole. Dust cover too if you need to.

I understand the pursuit of weight loss and I understand budget but I would have safety concerns over a Hesse, AKA Vulcan, AKA Blackthorne upper.

Ha! Dude's got an SBR with no tax stamp, legal (with ATF letter), and in jersey. LOL, this is great, good work!

Guys, keep in mind... in NJ, this would constitute a gun manufacturer... and is questionable in all regards. OP is a PA resident.

Cool gun there, very star wars blaster looking if you ask me.

 

Yup in NJ you would have to buy the lower using a PPP. Then play the evil feature list game while keeping it under 50 ounces. Easier to buy a bushy carbon 15 (45 ounces) with the forward barrel shroud removed (even more weight off now) and a brake pinned on... if you really really wanted a NJ legal AR pistol.

Guys, keep in mind... in NJ, this would constitute a gun manufacturer... and is questionable in all regards. OP is a PA resident.

 

How is it manufacturing unless he whipped up a new frontier lower in his garage?

How is it manufacturing unless he whipped up a new frontier lower in his garage?

 

Ask PK90 to chime in.... but it was not as per ATF, but as per NJ statutes.

I think I might do one of these. This is a great idea.

 

I can't bring myself to pay for an SBR stamp because I have MGs. But I can't bring myself to have MGs as trunk guns for obvious reasons. So it's like the Catch 22 of cheap bastards.

I have a 7in 556 gun that I am still working the bugs out of... I really want to file for a stamp for it when I get it situated... but the reality is on an AR... the stock is really not all that important.. buffer tube is plenty adequate...

I think I might do one of these. This is a great idea.

 

I can't bring myself to pay for an SBR stamp because I have MGs. But I can't bring myself to have MGs as trunk guns for obvious reasons. So it's like the Catch 22 of cheap bastards.

 

thats the whole reason I wanted an AR pistol... once I get a stamp for my good lower... I plan to take my pistol lower and put some junk parts together for the cheapest AR pistol I can make... for the simple point of being able to have it loaded in the trunk..

How is "assembling/manufacturing etc." a AR pistol different from do the same but with a rifle?

 

Ask PK90 to chime in.... but it was not as per ATF, but as per NJ statutes.

It is not manufacturing in either state for a non-licensee, as the lower is already serialized. It also is not a SBR as implied. It is just an AR pistol legal in PA, but not in NJ.

Bushmaster has a model (Carbon 15 Type 97) that seems to confirm to NJ AWB rules. Ie. less than 50oz, no barrel shroud etc.

 

It isn't easy, but just as long as the rules are followed why wouldn't a self assembled AR type pistol be illigal?

 

It is not manufacturing in either state for a non-licensee, as the lower is already serialized. It also is not a SBR as implied. It is just an AR pistol legal in PA, but not in NJ.

Bushmaster has a model (Carbon 15 Type 97) that seems to confirm to NJ AWB rules. Ie. less than 50oz, no barrel shroud etc.

 

It isn't easy, but just as long as the rules are followed why wouldn't a self assembled AR type pistol be illigal?

 

I dont see why not.. but the reality is you cant really make it light enough..

You can't build it under 50 ounces. And there no longer is an AR pistol currently being manufactured.

Not with a standard BCG and lower receiver extension perhaps.

 

You can still get these used as I doubt they are in big demand.

 

 

You can't build it under 50 ounces. And there no longer is an AR pistol currently being manufactured.

The Bushy 97 uses a short version bolt carrier and an unusual buffer right behind it, pushing back on a skinny recoil spring that rides on a center post inside the carbon 15 buffer tube.

Find those oddball parts and a lightweight 7.5" barrel and you're well on your way to a jersey-legal 5.56 AR pistol.

You can still get these used as I doubt they are in big demand.

As the owner of 2 of them, I keep my eyes open for more.

Almost as scarce as hen's teeth anymore.

Not with a standard BCG and lower receiver extension perhaps.

 

You can still get these used as I doubt they are in big demand.

 

 

 

Yes you can get them..they are running over $700 for the original Type 97 Pistols. the only ones currently manufactured are type 97S which has a barrel shroud..NJ no-No and an unloaded weight of 58 1/2 oz..also NJ No-No

Did some work on the forearm last night. Added JP rail sections on top and below. Cut a hole for GB thumbscrew access.

Assuming the brake is 5/8-24 for .30 cal? Where did you find this if i might ask? Thinking of a Flaming Pig but hate to spend the $115

 

Thanks

I "really want" to see a video of that awesome looking "pistol" in action!!! Please do post.

Vladtepes, they are asking for your video man!

Assuming the brake is 5/8-24 for .30 cal? Where did you find this if i might ask? Thinking of a Flaming Pig but hate to spend the $115

 

Thanks

 

Every .300 AAc barrel i've seen has that muzzle thread as well..I used a spike's Dynacomp Extreme-T on mine

i saw an upper with this on it....and ive looked online and have seen it called a compensator some places and flash hider others...but if pinned and welded do you guys think it would be jersey legal?

i saw an upper with this on it....and ive looked online and have seen it called a compensator some places and flash hider others...but if pinned and welded do you guys think it would be jersey legal?

That is most definitely a flash hider, not a compensator.

 

AAC has muzzle brakes.

They can be found here.

http://www.advanced-armament.com/Muzzle-Brakes_c_32.html

That is most definitely a flash hider, not a compensator.

 

AAC has muzzle brakes.

They can be found here.

http://www.advanced-...rakes_c_32.html

 

Ayup Sorry PJ, but that is a Hider, not a Comp or Brake

All those look like brakes/comps to me.

 

Ayup Sorry PJ, but that is a Hider, not a Comp or Brake

All those look like brakes/comps to me.

They are described by the manufacturer as "Flash Hiders"..therefore you're pretty much SOL

 

From AAC's site, the name for that product is

 

BLACKOUT® NON-MOUNT FLASH HIDER 7.62MM

Are we looking at the same page? It clearly says "Muzzle Brake" on the front page and in the descriptions of the products there.