So this leaked just read it not good. There is several guns on there people I know. Banning saiga by name is a large concern also. Heres the link. http://redflagnews.com/opinion/obamas-gun-ban-list-is-out-by-alan-korwin

 

I just hope this doesn't pass. Dictator up

And how do I know that website isn't just a gigantic crock of shit? He makes no mention of source, just that it's "leaked" and it's the "Brady Campaign's" list. But the title says it's Obama. Doesn't add up.

Pretty close to whats already banned here in NJ...

Candide only reason why I kinda believed it. Its upto you if you wanna believe it but anything is possible

It appears to be a presumption based on the McCarthy proposal back in 2007 to re-instate the federal AWB. Its what the anti-gunners want

 

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/110/hr1022/text

And how do I know that website isn't just a gigantic crock of shit? He makes no mention of source, just that it's "leaked" and it's the "Brady Campaign's" list. But the title says it's Obama. Doesn't add up.

 

Uhh it is a bunch of shit stirring. It's just the list from HR1022 proposed by CArolyn McCarthy back in 2007. The article says so, though it tries to be obtuse about it, and the content doesn't agree with the headline. That's some leaking there. A public document, submitted to committee a full five years ago, where it died, while the committee was run by a majority of gun grabbers, while the dems controlled congress, and while Bush was sitting and said he would sign any AWB renewal that hit his desk. Holy crap, circle the wagons this is some breaking news about critically urgent stuff happening this very minute.

I call shenanigans.

Uhh it is a bunch of shit stirring. It's just the list from HR1022 proposed by CArolyn McCarthy back in 2007. The article says so, though it tries to be obtuse about it, and the content doesn't agree with the headline. That's some leaking there. A public document, submitted to committee a full five years ago, where it died, while the committee was run by a majority of gun grabbers, while the dems controlled congress, and while Bush was sitting and said he would sign any AWB renewal that hit his desk. Holy crap, circle the wagons this is some breaking news about critically urgent stuff happening this very minute.

 

Well said

I think people are just looking for Obama to ban guns even though thus far he has done nothing of the sort. People forget Romney was the one who signed legislation in Massachusetts making the AWB permanent calling assault weapons "instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people."

i'm glad that this seems to be BS. But it wouldn't surprise me on any given day if something like this popped up and wasn't BS. The attitude of alot of people here regarding new possible gun legislation is, frankly, scary. As if control of the House is going to guarantee we have nothing to worry about for the next 4 years. With RINOs in the lead? Head in the sand anyone?

 

If it would truly surprise you that Obama would "try anything" regarding gun control, you're a fool. He's the most arrogant president in recent memory, signing executive orders for things he can't get passed legislatively. And don't let constitutional procedure bother you- he, and the supreme court, surely don't.

All rumors at this point.....But if I had to guess I would guess that by the end of

Pres. Obama's second term , 2nd amendment rights will be curtailed instead of expanded. He has shown a certain disregard for the constitution by using executive orders, appointing unacountable czars, expanding the executive powers over the legislative by increasing the regulatory powers of agencies under his control, by using signing statements. Remember the righteous moral outrage displayed by the opposition when Pres. Bush did it? Yeah, I remember that, too.

 

 

http://www.examiner.com/article/feinstein-rumored-to-be-pushing-semi-auto-ban-if-obama-reelected

Okay, sliding off the topic a little, WHY are M-1 Carbines banned in NJ, or proposed here????

They are banned. By name. Because politicians are idiots. Literally, when it comes to firearms facts.

I think people are just looking for Obama to ban guns even though thus far he has done nothing of the sort. People forget Romney was the one who signed legislation in Massachusetts making the AWB permanent calling assault weapons "instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people."

 

Romney only signed that in agreement with the gun rights orgs of that states approval. H esaid in an interview that both sides met with him and hammered out that agreement. So I dont think its accurate to hold him out there as an anti when he has publically stated he is pro and that he signed with the blessing of the gun orgs of his state.

Yea, everybody kept bashing Romney saying he is as bad as Obama, but the fact is that he did work with both sides to come up with a mutual agreement that worked for both sides. Nobody will ever be happy, at least he tried to please everyone a little instead of pleasing some people a lot.

 

As for Obama working any type of AWB, well it won't happen in the next 2 years. It may be drafted and primed, ready to go at that point, but he won't risk it being shot down by the majority Rep's. You better believe that in the end of '14 you will hear all kinds of threats of taking anything that makes a loud noise. We all know SCOTUS is going to tip towards the Dems, so just enjoy the next couple years, and wait for it. No need for the current fear mongering of an AWB...plus the Annunaki are coming in a few weeks, so none of it really matters anyway

Okay, sliding off the topic a little, WHY are M-1 Carbines banned in NJ, or proposed here????

 

For pretty much the same reason the M16 was banned by name.

 

The ability to mount a bayonet, large capacity mags (15 rounds were standard issue in WWII, but M2 and M3 variants used 30 rd mags), and the ease to convert back to full automatic fire ( like M16, however under BATF rules for this at the time).

I think people are just looking for Obama to ban guns even though thus far he has done nothing of the sort. People forget Romney was the one who signed legislation in Massachusetts making the AWB permanent calling assault weapons "instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people."

 

And Romney was a governor of a liberal state that has Firearms laws that are in some ways even tougher than NJ's. Not to give him a pass on the Instruments of Destruction nonsense, the AWB in Ma was Already in Place, and IIRC at least has provisions for Pre-Ban mags, and was part of a larger bill that actually Lessened restrictions on other stuff. It's actually much like FOPA..90% of the Law that was passed was incredibly beneficial, and protected our rights, but that ONE prevision (922(o) in the case of FOPA) sticks in people's craws. I see that much like the people who kept insisting that Christie was going to change thing shere..

For pretty much the same reason the M16 was banned by name. The ability to mount a bayonet, large capacity mags (15 rounds were standard issue in WWII, but M2 and M3 variants used 30 rd mags), and the ease to convert back to full automatic fire ( like M16, however under BATF rules for this at the time).

 

No, No it isnt, neither is the Ar-15 as well..there were significant differences between an M-2 Carbine (Full Auto) and the receiver for the original M-1. While it Could be done it took a very skilled machinist and someone intimately familiar with the weapon to convert it reliably....same as with the AR-15..the "Ligthning Link" is the only "Easy' way to convert an AR..even the so-called "Drop-In sear requires the use of M-16 FCP to function.

 

 

Romney only signed that in agreement with the gun rights orgs of that states approval. H esaid in an interview that both sides met with him and hammered out that agreement. So I dont think its accurate to hold him out there as an anti when he has publically stated he is pro and that he signed with the blessing of the gun orgs of his state.

 

Actually Mass's AWB was set to expire. Romney signed legislation that made it permanent. He was also quoted with what I said above. I guess your fine with that statement. I'm not saying Obama is great it's just the other side wasn't any better. Personally I despise both parties. Neither has the collective citizens best interests in mind any more.

just be careful on that site..... redflagnews.com uses an invalid security certificate.

Actually Mass's AWB was set to expire. Romney signed legislation that made it permanent. He was also quoted with what I said above. I guess your fine with that statement. I'm not saying Obama is great it's just the other side wasn't any better. Personally I despise both parties. Neither has the collective citizens best interests in mind any more.

 

Nope. See: http://www.pagunblog.com/2012/10/17/the-romney-assault-weapons-ban-that-wasnt/ and http://www.pagunblog.com/2012/01/15/the-truth-about-mitt-romneys-record-on-guns/

 

For those who don't want to click and read the postings, the important part:

 

Massachusetts already had an AWB that was actually worse than the federal ban in unique ways. On the surface, it was exactly the same because it was partially tied to language in the federal ban. The state ban that was already on the books didn’t have an expiration date – their way of making sure that no matter what happened to the federal ban, the state ban would stand. In theory, when the federal ban expired, what was already on the books in Massachusetts would have just kept the same limits in effect. However, close reading revealed some big dangers for gun owners.

 

The state ban, in addition to no expiration date, didn’t have the list of nearly 700 exempted guns that the federal ban allowed. In other words, lawful gun owner would become illegal assault weapons owner overnight and probably never understand why.

 

And:

 

In 2004 that anti-gun leaders of the Massachusetts Legislature started to raise false concerns about needing to make Massachusetts’s assault weapons ban permanent, given that the federal ban was about to expire. This was never true, but presented an excuse to convince other legislators to revisit, and simultaneously greatly expand the definition of what an assault weapon is in Massachusetts, making the ban cover far more firearms. They went ahead and drafted a bill. Fortunately for gun owners in Massachusetts, GOAL was able to essentially gut the bill, and preserve the existing language in the definition, which included the federal list of exempted firearms.

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This wasn’t about making the ban permanent. Massachusetts Law would have still made assault weapons illegal, just with a far more nebulous definition of what exactly an assault weapon is.

I'm not going to make this a pissing match. I don't find a PA Gun Blog to be the best place to get unbiased info from. I've read a lot on the issue and from I've read the AWB in Mass was about to expire. Whether or not he worked with both sides, he did in fact sign legislation making the AWB in Mass. permanent and said what he said. It's things like this that lost him the election. He flip flopped on issues constantly.

The blame for the situation in MA (and here for that matter) rests solely on the shoulders of the apathetic majority of the citizens. Even amongst active hunters and shooters there is a high level of detachment. My boss is an avid hunter but doesn't give a damn if handguns were banned outright because he has no interest in them. Another work associate owns a bunch of guns and shoots regularly, says he would suport a ban on 50 cal rifles because "what the hell does anyone need something that big for?"

 

What do you think would happen to the first potitician in Texas who made a serious push to start crap like OGAM? Lautenberg makes no secret of his anti-2A agenda and continues to be re-elected. The problem is us, the citizens. Face it, 2A rights are simply not a big concern to the majority of the residents of our area. Unless that changes you can expect business as usual (if you're lucky.)

 

What would Romney have done, we'll never know. What wil Obama do? We're going to find out. The number one agenda item of a career politician is to retain power. Obama is somewhat irrelevant on this, it's congress you gotta watch out for. If enough people let their representatives know that it would be political suicide to pass a new AWB, it won't get off the dime. Fortunately, there are a lot of people in other parts of this county that hold 2A rights sacred. I'm not all that worried. Yet.

I'm not going to make this a pissing match. I don't find a PA Gun Blog to be the best place to get unbiased info from. I've read a lot on the issue and from I've read the AWB in Mass was about to expire. Whether or not he worked with both sides, he did in fact sign legislation making the AWB in Mass. permanent and said what he said. It's things like this that lost him the election. He flip flopped on issues constantly.

 

You obviously didn't read the postings. The author lived in MA at the time Romney signed the bill and worked closely with GOAL. That's first-hand information.

 

And GOAL (MA state NRA chapter) had this to say about the ban:

 

In 1998 the Massachusetts legislature passed its own assault weapons ban (MGL Chapter 140, Section 131M). This ban did not rely on the federal language and contained no sunset clause. Knowing that we did not have the votes in 2004 to get rid of the state law, we did not want to loose all of the federal exemptions that were not in the state law so this new bill was amended to include them.

You obviously didn't read the postings. The author lived in MA at the time Romney signed the bill and worked closely with GOAL. That's first-hand information.

 

And GOAL (MA state NRA chapter) had this to say about the ban:

 

I went back and read them (instead of just what you quoted) and I see what you're saying (I had always heard it was ready to expire) but it doesn't change what he said, and the problem with Romney was he was known to flip flop between issues. He didn't make things "better" he actually increased the fees on gun licenses by 400% (sounds like infringement). My point in my original post is that people are looking for Obama to ban things when in his 4 years hasn't even touched gun rights...even in light of two highly publicized mass shootings that you know the anti's were ready to jump all over. Really Obama is smarter than that and he has a different agenda to worry about other than gun rights. I neither voted for Obama nor support him I just think people are reaching at straws. Complain about the other things he's done but as far as gun rights goes he hasn't done anything of the sort. Doesn't really make much of a difference in Jersey anyway as we still have an AWB that's not going anywhere...even with a Republican governor. Do you honestly think Christie who isn't pro-2A is going to change things if he gets elected president?

It seems that fear is always a better salesman than facts.

I'd rather have all the guns and ammo I want and have them NOT be banned, them have them be banned and not be able to get them.

 

Because once I get them, I'm keeping them. Period. At that point, they can take the AWB or UN Treaty and shove it up their ass, I will no longer care. I'll just sit around and wait for the revolution to start.

I went back and read them (instead of just what you quoted) and I see what you're saying (I had always heard it was ready to expire) but it doesn't change what he said, and the problem with Romney was he was known to flip flop between issues. He didn't make things "better" he actually increased the fees on gun licenses by 400% (sounds like infringement). My point in my original post is that people are looking for Obama to ban things when in his 4 years hasn't even touched gun rights...even in light of two highly publicized mass shootings that you know the anti's were ready to jump all over. Really Obama is smarter than that and he has a different agenda to worry about other than gun rights. I neither voted for Obama nor support him I just think people are reaching at straws. Complain about the other things he's done but as far as gun rights goes he hasn't done anything of the sort. Doesn't really make much of a difference in Jersey anyway as we still have an AWB that's not going anywhere...even with a Republican governor. Do you honestly think Christie who isn't pro-2A is going to change things if he gets elected president?

 

If you look at what he said about firearms before becoming president, you'd know he is very, very anti-gun. He has even told McCarthy that they are working on things "under the radar".

If you look at what he said about firearms before becoming president, you'd know he is very, very anti-gun. He has even told McCarthy that they are working on things "under the radar".

 

I never said he was pro-gun, I just know the guy isn't an idiot. He's got things higher up on his priority list and there's no way congress would pass severe anti-gun legislation. I trust the wolf over the wolf in sheep's clothing personally. The biggest issue we face as Americans is neither party is all that different. They take big corporation money and have refused to have the people's best interests in mind. There's a reason these parties like the population at odds with each other...it's a distraction so we don't see them screwing us until it is too late. Look at the last few presidents...none of them has done anything to help. Bush had the Patriot Act, Obama the NDAA...both are erosions of our civil rights yet people argue over party allegiance instead of looking at the bigger picture. Meanwhile the Republi-Crats laugh all the way to the bank.