I will be voicing my opinion on NBC.com also... Bunch of left wingers on that damn station. That's why I don't want NBC if I don't have to.

Fact Checks (Liberals *love* their fact checks):

Journal of the American Academy of Psychiatry and the Law 37:3:371-376 (September 2009):

 

Murder-suicides are NOT on the rise: “…the incidence of murder-suicide in the United States and other western countries was shown to be stable throughout the previous 40 years.”

The US does not have significantly more incidences: “Coid reviewed 17 studies … that involved 10 nations and found that the murder-suicide incidence was surprisingly similar and constant. He found the incidence to be between 0.2 and 0.3 per 100,000.”

 

On the availability or inaccessibility of firearms:

“[in the US,] The overwhelming weapon of choice of the perpetrator of a murder-suicide was a firearm. In the newspaper surveillance study, Malphurs and Cohen found that 85.8 percent of the perpetrators used firearms, whereas Hanzlick and Koponen reported 92 percent. … In England and Wales, Travis et al. sought to determine whether tougher gun laws had decreased the rate of murder-suicides. They found that the number of murder-suicides involving firearms decreased to 16 percent, but the overall murder-suicide rate remained constant. In their study, the primary method of homicide was strangulation (36%).”

 

On June 26, 2007, a professional wrestler strangled his wife, suffocated his 7-year-old son, and then hanged himself.

On January 18, 2008, an aunt was taking her niece and nephew to her house for a weekend stay. While en route, she pulled over, took off her clothes and those of her niece and nephew, and carried the children into on-coming traffic. All three were killed.

On that same day in New Jersey, an executive vice-president of a bankrupt mortgage company broke his wife's neck and then killed himself by jumping off a bridge.

 

Conclusion:

Tougher firearm laws will not reduce the number of murder-suicides. They would simply require the perpetrators to be more creative in their modality.

 

Liberals need to STFU and stop using misinformation about tragedies to perpetuate political agendas.

Edited December 3, 201213 yr by TheDon

If only they would ban hair pieces, Bob Costas wouldn't have the blood of millions of possums on his scalp.

Nice pants, not to get off topic: "That's funny, I seem to recall a bunch of piss poor farmers fighting off that same military with some rifles and pungi sticks, and another ragtag group of terrorists doing the same with some ancient AKs and some homemade explosives".

 

But the guys I remember fighting were NVA regulars, had Russian and a litany of other new communist block equipment, For the record we did not loose we left and the frigging government did not keep its word after we left.

Sorry for the rant.

 

Back on topic the: american sailors, soldiers, airmen and marines swear to serve and protect the constitution,all of it not parts of it or what suits them. The fore fathers were concerned with the government oppressing its people sad part is that instead of the point of a gun our own people are doing it by ballot. JMOP

But the guys I remember fighting were NVA regulars, had Russian and a litany of other new communist block equipment, For the record we did not loose we left and the frigging government did not keep its word after we left. <

 

Fortunately for us, our government has an extensive history of LOSING exactly that way. A loss is a loss, doesn't matter if it's not the military's fault. We fight for a result, not for a fight. What remains when the fighting ends is what matters.

Mipa I sure hope you meant Unfortunately.

 

And for the record a person may sign up for any number of reason, god,country etc but when the crap hits the fan the only win is to survive and fight for the guys in a hole on either side of you...... Thats the only result that counts when no one outside of the people around you and your immediate family give a crap.

 

Lets go back to Costas.........

Mipa I sure hope you meant Unfortunately.

No. I meant what I said. Because it may matter some day.

And for the record a person may sign up for any number of reason, god,country etc but when the crap hits the fan the only win is to survive and fight for the guys in a hole on either side of you...... Thats the only result that counts when no one outside of the people around you and your immediate family give a crap.

I was referring to wars, not to Soldiers. Way different topics. The earlier post was not about Soldiers, or service, it was about winning and losing wars through the possession of arms.

Simple steps to take to voice your displeasure to NBC. They are a Corporation and only care about the bottom line. Hit them where it hurts, the pocketbook. I went to www.nbc.com and clicked on the "Contact Us" link. Here is what I wrote.

 

Hell yeah! An email! You hit them right where it hurts. I'm sure that will hit their bottom line.

Hell yeah! An email! You hit them right where it hurts. I'm sure that will hit their bottom line.

 

 

I usually like folks who stir the drink on this site. I even liked Radek and hoped he wouldn't be banned. But there is a cynical negativity about many of your posts that just rubs me the wrong way.

 

If most of the active users on gun enthusiast web sites sent e-mails to NBC, I don't have any doubt that NBC would take a very public action. I was thinking about calling their main number to lodge a complaint too. After your post, I definitely am. Tilting at windmills is my specialty.

These broadcast hacks are showing their true colors aren't they? Exploiting a tragedy... This reminds me of when Bill O'Reilly almost had a nervous breakdown on the air over E-vile 'assault weapons' (after the Colorado Theater shooting).

I usually like folks who stir the drink on this site. I even liked Radek and hoped he wouldn't be banned. But there is a cynical negativity about many of your posts that just rubs me the wrong way.

 

If most of the active users on gun enthusiast web sites sent e-mails to NBC, I don't have any doubt that NBC would take a very public action. I was thinking about calling their main number to lodge a complaint too. After your post, I definitely am. Tilting at windmills is my specialty.

 

So you're saying I inspired you to do some good?

 

I think it's a great idea to contact NBC. I certainly have. I was pointing out the absurdity of your post. All this hit them where it hurts, their bottom line, and then you send them an email

 

Go after Papa Johns:

 

877-547-PAPA (7272)

 

Faith Hill

 

NFL:

 

[email protected], [email protected], [email protected]

 

 

All their sponsors

 

Email them then call them. Tell them you are going to boycott their sponsors, tell their sponsors that you plan to, you will copy them on it, and you will organize locally. I prefer to be very nice and say I like their company but I'm not going to stand for anti-gun political diatribes when I want to relax and watch a football game and we are going to have to go after everyone to make sure that this nonsense stops in this unfortunate day and age.

 

Is that hitting them where it hurts, their bottom line? No, I haven't met your stated goals, either. Just sharing what I have done so far today, in case there's anything useful, and still working on it. Next weekend I will be passing out a one-page flyer with phone numbers and email addresses of sponsors and company executives at a handful of local ranges and gun clubs.

We all keep drinking the koolaid and living in the matrix so what does it matter. Ok now plug me back in.

If most of the active users on gun enthusiast web sites sent e-mails to NBC, I don't have any doubt that NBC would take a very public action.

 

I won't be holding my breath for NBC's "very public action." Will it be in spite of most active users on gun enthusiast web sites sending e-mails to NBC, or because most didn't? We'll never know.

Send this information in an e-mail to NBC. Tell them that their reporter voiced a personal opionion and made assertions of facts that were indeed wrong. M/S is not on the rise and there is nothing to indicate that a lack of access to a handgun would have made a difference.

 

Fact Checks (Liberals *love* their fact checks):

Journal of the American Academy of Psychiatry and the Law 37:3:371-376 (September 2009):

 

Murder-suicides are NOT on the rise: “…the incidence of murder-suicide in the United States and other western countries was shown to be stable throughout the previous 40 years.”

The US does not have significantly more incidences: “Coid reviewed 17 studies … that involved 10 nations and found that the murder-suicide incidence was surprisingly similar and constant. He found the incidence to be between 0.2 and 0.3 per 100,000.”

 

On the availability or inaccessibility of firearms:

“[in the US,] The overwhelming weapon of choice of the perpetrator of a murder-suicide was a firearm. In the newspaper surveillance study, Malphurs and Cohen found that 85.8 percent of the perpetrators used firearms, whereas Hanzlick and Koponen reported 92 percent. … In England and Wales, Travis et al. sought to determine whether tougher gun laws had decreased the rate of murder-suicides. They found that the number of murder-suicides involving firearms decreased to 16 percent, but the overall murder-suicide rate remained constant. In their study, the primary method of homicide was strangulation (36%).”

 

On June 26, 2007, a professional wrestler strangled his wife, suffocated his 7-year-old son, and then hanged himself.

On January 18, 2008, an aunt was taking her niece and nephew to her house for a weekend stay. While en route, she pulled over, took off her clothes and those of her niece and nephew, and carried the children into on-coming traffic. All three were killed.

On that same day in New Jersey, an executive vice-president of a bankrupt mortgage company broke his wife's neck and then killed himself by jumping off a bridge.

 

Conclusion:

Tougher firearm laws will not reduce the number of murder-suicides. They would simply require the perpetrators to be more creative in their modality.

 

Liberals need to STFU and stop using misinformation about tragedies to perpetuate political agendas.

Statistics are a Progressive's game.  "Never trust a statistic that you didn't fake yourself."

 

Don't fall into their trap.  You're throwing around statistics about murders and gun crimes.  Here's a better statistic.  90 million handgun owners didn't murder anybody yesterday, and 15 million civilians legally carried loaded handguns yesterday and didn't murder anybody either.

 

I doubt the far less than 15 million police and feds in this country can make that claim.

Statistics are a Progressive's game. "Never trust a statistic that you didn't fake yourself."

 

Don't fall into their trap. You're throwing around statistics about murders and gun crimes. Here's a better statistic. 90 million handgun owners didn't murder anybody yesterday, and 15 million civilians legally carried loaded handguns yesterday and didn't murder anybody either.

 

I doubt the far less than 15 million police and feds in this country can make that claim.

Statistics published by accredited professionals in a professional industry publication are different than statistics compiled by political action committees. Scientist who make up statistics in professional journals lose their credibility and risk their careers.

Also, the article I quoted was not about gun control. It was a scientific study about the psychology of the murder-suicide. It was discussing the triggers and predictors of the behavior. That, my friend, is a credible source.

Statistics published by accredited professionals in a professional industry publication are different than statistics compiled by political action committees.  Scientist who make up statistics in professional journals lose their credibility and risk their careers.

Also, the article I quoted was not about gun control.  It was a scientific study about the psychology of the murder-suicide.  It was discussing the triggers and predictors of the behavior.  That, my friend, is a credible source.

 

Scientists that fudge statistics or the interpretation thereof get the majority of the 15 billion in federal funding.

 

It doesn't matter how valid your statistics are. It makes the average person's eyes glaze over, and they will believe Brady Campaign statistics before they believe yours. They have won this battle every time for 20 years.

 

You are not going to change that because of your professionalism and sources. Sorry!

 

Does that better explain my point?

 

Go with ideas.

 

Or don't. You're smarter than that. The media never believes us, but they'll believe you this time because you have it figured out.

Statistics published by accredited professionals in a professional industry publication are different than statistics compiled by political action committees.

 

 

I just wanted to add that, on this one point, you are certainly right.  Any anti-gun PAC's statistics will be treated as FACTS by the media, while professional industry publication statistics are called CLAIMS.  So, they are indeed different.

 

With one exception.  When the JAMA, a professional industry publication, uses intentionally faked interpretations of statistics to support an anti-gun agenda, which is every way they've ever presented firearms statistics, they are indeed treated as a professional authority on the matter.  So, if you write anti-gun statistical interpretations for the JAMA, you will indeed receive the credibility due a professional industry publication.

Cough, OJ, cough, cough.

 

Guess I'm not the only one that made the connection. LOL

 

1 word : sponsors

1 word : sponsors

 

 

Nine words. Which ones? Emails and phone numbers, please.

 

Statistics published by accredited professionals in a professional industry publication are different than statistics compiled by political action committees. Scientist who make up statistics in professional journals lose their credibility and risk their careers.

Also, the article I quoted was not about gun control. It was a scientific study about the psychology of the murder-suicide. It was discussing the triggers and predictors of the behavior. That, my friend, is a credible source.

 

I agree with this and will add that your post is not merely staistics, it is a report by the very association that has nearly all of control over the mental health checks.

 

No one should ignore the significance of that

 

Simple steps to take to voice your displeasure to NBC. They are a Corporation and only care about the bottom line. Hit them where it hurts, the pocketbook. I went to www.nbc.com and clicked on the "Contact Us" link. Here is what I wrote.

 

 

To whom it may concern,

Last night during the broadcast of Sunday Night Football, Bob Costas went on a rant espousing gun control. As someone who cherishes our Civil Rights, the most basic of which is the right to self-defense, I take exception to someone who wishes to trample on those rights. If I had wanted political commentary, I would have turned to your MSNBC station.

As a New Jersey resident, I see the restrictions to my Second Amendment rights on a daily basis and watch with concern as mainstream media promulgate these affronts to our Constitutional liberties. I am an active member of my state's recreational shooting community and want you to know that the call has already gone on our internet forums out to take action. As of now, you have lost me as a viewer, and will not have me back until Bob Costas has publicly apologized. A simple disavowal on your part is insufficient because the damage is done. Costas needs to apologize or lose his job. There are thousands more like me in my state, and many more than that around the country. Are you prepared to alienate millions of law abiding gun owners that would otherwise be supporters of your programming. Please do the right thing. Thank you for your time.

Sincerely

 

Nice Chris just sent a message.

Seems like he put a lot of thought into his statement before he made it.

Perhaps he's an attention wh0re.

I didn’t watch game last night but just found out about it on Greta’s show on Fox. Everyone knows NBC and MSNBC is Left Wing Central and Camp Obama so this isn’t a complete surprise. Costa is a POS for interjecting his personal beliefs and the party line on prime time TV w/o allowing an opposing view. I was channel surfing a few years ago and Costa was on Bill Maher (another left wing lunatic) and Costa let loose on then President Bush, total disregard for the President but you know the left wing CA audience loved it. From that point on I knew he was NFG, the sad part is you get a couple of these talking heads spewing the same crap over and over and the masses start buying into it. 15 December is Bill of Rights Day, I think I'll go buy another long gun to honor the day.

The brilliant Piers Morgan must have been piping in on this one...

That was my thought as well. It was a huge tragedy but he was a NFL football player. I doubt he would need any weapons if he wanted to hurt somebody. Should we ban weight machines as well?

 

Now, he was also reading an article written by someone else. Trying to find the text.

 

It was an issue of domestic violence. The one category of violent crime where guns don't lead the pack. Odds are without a gun, the only thing that would have changed is either that he wouldn't have offed himself successfully, or he wouldn't have done so in front of co-workers.

 

Anti-gun is one thing, anti-gun while ignoring the nature of the crime is another.

I read the original article that Costas quoted. It rails not only about gun culture, but NFL football, commercialism, and the treatment and coddling of athletes. The guy wrote in anguish. Costas is the real bastard for taking part of that rant out of context to push his simple minded thoughts out on a national stage. He can't backpedal. He's been in this buisness a long time and it's his business to KNOW that you don't take an NFL half time and say something in a way that doesn't get your point across. He's a puss, and now he's trying to weasel out of it. What a POS.

The brilliant Piers Morgan must have been piping in on this one...

 

Carol Roth is my hero.