A petition was recently started requesting congress to address the issue of gun control.

 

..."The goal of this petition is to force the Obama Administration to produce legislation that limits access to guns. While a national dialogue is critical, laws are the only means in which we can reduce the number of people murdered in gun related deaths.

Powerful lobbying groups allow the ownership of guns to reach beyond the Constitution's intended purpose of the right to bear arms. Therefore, Congress must act on what is stated law, and face the reality that access to firearms reaches beyond what the Second Amendment intends to achieve.

The signatures on this petition represent a collective demand for a bipartisan discussion resulting in a set of laws that regulates how a citizen obtains a gun."

 

https://petitions.wh...ngress/2tgcXzQC

 

Petitions need 25,000 signatures in order to prompt a White House response, so far (at the time of this posting this petition has almost 105,000 signatures.

 

It's sad that at a time of great tragedy political opportunists try to take advantage of every issue. I'm getting so tired of politics being interjected into every action or conversation we have in this country.

 

When are we ever going to have a serious and thoughtful dialog in this country concerning the 2nd amendment? When is the SCOTUS going to finally step in and settle this issue? Why does there have to be a legal case in front of SCOTUS for them to affirm our constitutional rights?

Let the battle begin

Big changes are coming boys and girls. And not for the good.

Yeah. hows that gun control working in mexico.

Big changes are coming boys and girls. And not for the good.

doubt it

they can't do anything worse than what we already enjoy here...unless they want an open war

I've already read people proposing that all gun owners be murdered. Someone else suggested that they all be jailed for life. Because that will solve crime issues. In addition to being ironic, it would probably match or exceed the atrocities committed by many historical figures we all know throughout history.

 

If logic is in their vocabulary, they probably have the definition confused with that of emotion and stupidity.

they can't do anything worse than what we already enjoy here...unless they want an open war

 

When you say open war, do you mean physically for instance a civil war; or a political war?

 

 

When you say open war, do you mean physically for instance a civil war; or a political war?

 

I hope neither but probably both. Political war leading to civil war.

political. The fact that 90+% of all gun owners are outside the nanny states like NJ/NY and CA will make NJ style laws enacted on a federal level. Worst it would do to us here is make us use 10 round mags...but they would then be alot easier to get, and cheaper. i can't see anything happening to us except banning internet sales of ammo

they can't do anything worse than what we already enjoy here...unless they want an open war

 

Heh.. What do they want? A war of unarmed screaming crying gun control people with bats vs legally armed citizens...

Heh.. What do they want? A war of unarmed screaming crying gun control people with bats vs legally armed citizens...

 

Not really, because that first group of people would get the police, military, and other law enforcement to do it for them.

 

 

Not really, because that first group of people would get the police, military, and other law enforcement to do it for them.

 

For some reason I don't think that would happen so easily... Military and police also believe in the righs of the second amendment and won't turn on their own families/friends and neighbors. I also have USMC friends who are already reciting their sworn promise to protect the constitution and that anyone who tells them anything against is the enemy... So I don't think it'll happen just like that...

For some reason I don't think that would happen so easily... Military and police also believe in the righs of the second amendment and won't turn on their own families/friends and neighbors. I also have USMC friends who are already reciting their sworn promise to protect the constitution and that anyone who tells them anything against is the enemy... So I don't think it'll happen just like that...

 

I don't either. I was just saying that is what they'd try to do. They certainly won't be the ones to take the guns.

 

 

I don't either. I was just saying that is what they'd try to do. They certainly won't be the ones to take the guns.

 

True. Lets hope we never have to find out.

What will happen?

 

Modern AWB, by either law or executive order. This will lead to a lawsuit based on the 'in common use' part of Heller/McDonald. Thus Heller/McDonald get reargued in SCOTUS.

 

You see how Obamacare turned out?

 

 

For some reason I don't think that would happen so easily... Military and police also believe in the righs of the second amendment and won't turn on their own families/friends and neighbors. I also have USMC friends who are already reciting their sworn promise to protect the constitution and that anyone who tells them anything against is the enemy... So I don't think it'll happen just like that...

 

If you look back to Nazi Germany you will find that a lot of the doers of bad things never thought they would be executing jews by the thousand yet there they stood marching them into concentration camps and gas chambers. So dont think they will all turn against the govt, especially when the govt will probably offer protection and immunity to them and their families.

that is where it's going

Over 110,000 votes, looks like Obama will see it.

I don't expect the gun grabbers will be government lawyers in cheap suits. Hard to imagine how it would go down but the road there will be insidious.

I've already read people proposing that all gun owners be murdered.

 

With what tools do they intend to commit this act?

For some reason I don't think that would happen so easily... Military and police also believe in the righs of the second amendment and won't turn on their own families/friends and neighbors. I also have USMC friends who are already reciting their sworn promise to protect the constitution and that anyone who tells them anything against is the enemy... So I don't think it'll happen just like that...

 

When the orders come down from above, confiscate guns or lose your job and pension, suddenly that oath will be out the window. More so police then military IMO.

With what tools do they intend to commit this act?

 

 

I assume guns, as that's what was implied. Yes, it was hypocritical to an extremely ironic level.

 

 

When the orders come down from above, confiscate guns or lose your job and pension, suddenly that oath will be out the window. More so police then military IMO.

 

Sadly you are probably right.

political. The fact that 90+% of all gun owners are outside the nanny states like NJ/NY and CA will make NJ style laws enacted on a federal level. Worst it would do to us here is make us use 10 round mags...but they would then be alot easier to get, and cheaper. i can't see anything happening to us except banning internet sales of ammo

 

I was actually just thinking about this. The last AWB didn't quite work because you can't really define "Assault Rifle." The government came up with a list of banned guns and features, and the gun companies just changed the names of the guns, removed the features and *poof* you suddenly have a perfectly legal post-ban weapon that is essentially the same as pre-ban gun.

 

The essential problem is that defining a "assault weapon" is kind of like the problem Judge Potter Stewart had in defining pornography: he couldn't define it, but "I know it when I see it." http://en.wikipedia....t_when_I_see_it

 

You can't ban "assault weapons" without banning basically every semi-automatic gun in existence, from your grandfather's WWII era Colt .45 to your mom's .380 LCP because the main feature is the magazine-fed semi-auto action.

 

So take a Ruger Mini-14 with a wood stock. Sure looks like a hunting rifle to me. Now take off the wood stock and put on a plastic stock and you have a pant-wetting, evil "Assault Weapon." It's the same gun, but don't let logic get in the way of a good panic.

 

But what they *could* do, if the government were smart, is create an "approved" list like California has for pistols. Companies would have to submit their weapons to the ATF for "safety tests." If the ATF approves, then citizens can own the gun. If the ATF disapproves then that gun is not made available for sale.

 

Under a system like this, the Marlin Camp Carbine would be a-OK! The CX4 Storm is an evil black rifle. America would be left with their 1911's, revolvers and thin CCW guns. You would still have pump-shotguns, double barrels and bolt-action hunting rifles. You would still have 10/22's and M1 Garands. But our laws would look more like France, Italy and Germany than what we had in America. I don't want that one bit, but an "approved" list is one way to get to that model. That is the only way this sort of thing could work.

 

I am not personally afraid. The President is a smart man. He saw what happened to Clinton's party in the House after the AWB in 1996. He doesn't want that to happen to him.

I would like to see the NRA start a petition to end " gun free zones". People should have the right and the opportunity to defend themselves wherever and whenever need be.

Ron Paul just introduced a ccw for teachers bill. Wish I had a link but im on my phone. Antis are calling it an "extremist bill" funny, i pit the AWB in the same category. : )

Ron Paul just introduced a ccw for teachers bill. Wish I had a link but im on my phone. Antis are calling it an "extremist bill" funny, i pit the AWB in the same category. : )

 

Good for him. Thats a good start. I would feel better knowing my kids teachers were armed.

 

Edit: Found it. Bill HR2613 end dangerous gun free zones

Not really, because that first group of people would get the police, military, and other law enforcement to do it for them.

 

bingo

they can't do anything worse than what we already enjoy here...unless they want an open war

 

Those who love freedom in this country had better stand together to defend their rights and principles. It will be incremental, although this rogue government seems to do things in leaps and bounds. Good for Paul. The people that believe in the Constitution have to stop just being reactive to the statist agenda and everything that would be put upon them, and instead, they need to go on the offensive.

Ron Paul just introduced a ccw for teachers bill. Wish I had a link but im on my phone. Antis are calling it an "extremist bill" funny, i pit the AWB in the same category. : )

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