Rant on...

 

I'm not sure of the meaning that those that do it have in their head, but I have to say that the avatars of the upside down flags annoy the shit out of me. I have as many issues with the way this country is going and is run, however I still value it enough to have a modicum of respect for it. I find the upside down flags extremely disrespectful. If it's that bad, I invite you to give somewhere else a go.

 

Rant over...

 

C

+1

Upside down flags typically represent 'distress'. Not disrespect.

 

http://en.wikipedia....n#United_States

 

"Flying an American flag upside down is not necessarily meant as political protest. The practice has its origin in a distress signal; displaying a flag in this manner is "a signal of dire distress in instances of extreme danger to life or property";^[72] it has been used by extension to make a statement about distress in civic, political, or other areas."

 

I would say the discussions about gun control lately qualify as such.

It's not disrespectful at all, it's a sign of distress. Do you not think we are in distress?

It's a sign of the extreme polarity that has been created in our country, by the wealthy elite and monied interests who benefit from making us play this "liberal vs conservative" game.

 

You always have disagreements in politics. In an intelligent country, you would say "I disagree with you, I think you're wrong because that policy blah blah blah"

 

In our country, people say "I disagree with you, because you're a communist muslim hell bent on destroying America and hating freedom and aborting babies"

 

No room for compromise, understanding, no way to change your mind on an issue. Just hell bent on extreme rhetoric.

"The upside down U.S. flag is an official signal of distress. It is not meant to be, and is not officially recognized as any type of disrespect when so displayed for the right reasons. To the contrary, here is the relevant part of the US Code of Laws regarding how to fly the flag when in distress"

 

Everyone has there opinion and thats OK but in the bigger picture the person doing so feels the country is in distress

 

edit* lol all those responses while i typed mine

This has been covered before

 

http://njgunforums.com/forum/index.php?/topic/41812-nra-a-paper-tiger/page__view__findpost__p__553575__hl__%22in+distress%22__fromsearch__1

 

An upside down flag is a distress signal.

Guess it sucks to be you, to be offended so easily by a little avatar. Personally, I've got bigger fish to fry than to let something like that bother me.

 

(and yes- people who know flag etiquette know it means DISTRESS, not disrespect of any kind.)

 

I fly the upside down flag PROUDLY. I feel we ARE in GRAVE distress, as a country after the founding father's design.

I don't like to see the Flag inverted, But I see the reason and the point!

Distress. Learned that in basic training.

I feel we ARE in GRAVE distress, as a country after the founding father's design.

 

When exactly do you think we fell into grave distress after changing the founders original design? Was it when we let people other than land owning white men vote? Was it when we decided black people shouldn't be enslaved anymore?

 

 

When exactly do you think we fell into grave distress after changing the founders original design? Was it when we let people other than land owning white men vote? Was it when we decided black people shouldn't be enslaved anymore?

 

Is it me or does everyti e somebody brings up founding fathers or this country, you seem to make things racial. Either by the Indian comments or not blacks.

I do take some issue with it. Primarily an inherent hypocrisy. Years ago, politically motivated music groups like Pearl Jam, Rage Against the Machine, and System of a Down would use the imagery of the upside down flag. Quickly, it was pounced upon by establishment that this represented a disrespect of the flag and a deep seated hatred of the country.

 

But, now, it is okay to use that imagery because it fits into some fantasy about the downfall of the union.

 

There is no distress call. We will survive Barack Obama, just as we survived George Bush.

 

You may not agree, and that's fine. And you may be making a statement, and i get that. I just thing it is horseshit. Just my opinion.

"When exactly do you think we fell into grave distress after changing the founders original design?"

 

When bankers gained control of the country along with lawyers gaining control of the govt. When politician became a profession instead of a person doing his duty. When the govt became self serving and protective of its profit centers. When the voices of a loud minority started changing the rules for the silent majority that prefers to be left alone. Id continue but...I think the pointis made.

I just had a whole rant about using racism in this context and how pathetic it is. But decided against posting it because of how emotionally angered I got. So, with that said, grow the hell up.

Rant on...

 

I'm not sure of the meaning that those that do it have in their head, but I have to say that the avatars of the upside down flags annoy the shit out of me. I have as many issues with the way this country is going and is run, however I still value it enough to have a modicum of respect for it. I find the upside down flags extremely disrespectful. If it's that bad, I invite you to give somewhere else a go.

 

Rant over...

 

C

Amen brother I stated that about 3 weeks ago or so aggravated the shit out of me!

Awww, poor Obama voters having a hissy fit. Barry Soetero showing his true colours giving you some buyer's remorse?

"When exactly do you think we fell into grave distress after changing the founders original design?"

 

When bankers gained control of the country along with lawyers gaining control of the govt. When politician became a profession instead of a person doing his duty. When the govt became self serving and protective of its profit centers. When the voices of a loud minority started changing the rules for the silent majority that prefers to be left alone. Id continue but...I think the pointis made.

 

That's because the founders were smart to create Separation of Church and State, but in their pre-industrial revolution society, they did not envision the necessity of Separation of Corporation and State. Then again, they were mostly the wealthy elite themselves, so perhaps this is a feature, not a bug.

 

Either way, to sit back and say " We can never change anything because that's what some guys who lives in a completely different world 240 years ago said so"

When bankers gained control of the country along with lawyers gaining control of the govt. When politician became a profession instead of a person doing his duty. When the govt became self serving and protective of its profit centers. When the voices of a loud minority started changing the rules for the silent majority that prefers to be left alone.

 

Exactly.

"When exactly do you think we fell into grave distress after changing the founders original design?"

 

When bankers gained control of the country along with lawyers gaining control of the govt. When politician became a profession instead of a person doing his duty. When the govt became self serving and protective of its profit centers. When the voices of a loud minority started changing the rules for the silent majority that prefers to be left alone. Id continue but...I think the pointis made.

+1 You forgot the lobbyist and their duffle bags full of money.

Either way, to sit back and say " We can never change anything because that's what some guys who lives in a completely different world 240 years ago said so"

 

Did you miss civics? What they put together was a plan. And the plan worked pretty good until 51% realized that they can suck off the other 49%. They built in a way to change the constitution and it has been exercised over the years. Deal with it.

Did you miss civics? What they put together was a plan. And the plan worked pretty good until 51% realized that they can suck off the other 49%. They built in a way to change the constitution and it has been exercised over the years. Deal with it.

 

More like, the 1% figured out how to get the 48% to be pissed off at the 51%.

Distress. Learned that in basic training.

 

If I learned that in basic, I forgot it. Thanks for the reminder.

 

Still, I call b.s.

 

C

It's not disrespectful at all, it's a sign of distress. Do you not think we are in distress?

 

That's what it is, and we are in distress

After the election I took the flag down altogether for a few days. I'm not sure there is an America anymore. As least not one worth belonging to.

 

 

More like, the 1% figured out how to get the 48% to be pissed off at the 51%.

 

After being extorted out of 4 months of my yearly salary, to put in my "fair" share so that someone who is too damn lazy to get a job can have free internet and free cell phones and subsidized housing amd all the other freebies the government givrs out.

Nobody had to convince me to be angry.

After being extorted out of 4 months of my yearly salary, to put in my "fair" share so that someone who is too damn lazy to get a job can have free internet and free cell phones and subsidized housing amd all the other freebies the government givrs out.

Nobody had to convince me to be angry.

 

Here's a fun fact, if people who made 250k, 500k, 2 million, 5 million, twenty million, paid their taxes at a similar rate to the guy who makes 50k, you wouldn't be paying so much out of pocket.

 

Don't be mad at the people getting $800/month for free, get mad at the people who made 5 million this year and paid almost nothing in taxes. The same ones that own your media and make them tell you it's about "mooches" you wanna see who's suckin the feet dry, look up, not down.

So whatever happened to the top 1-2% paying for something like 40% of the taxes overall? Some of those millionaires paid more in taxes than I grossed this year.

I personally think the income tax rate should be the same percentage across the board.

It comes from both ends. There are those at the top who don't pay their fair share and those at the bottom who just take. It's left to the middle class to make up the shortfall.

It comes from both ends. There are those at the top who don't pay their fair share and those at the bottom who just take. It's left to the middle class to make up the shortfall.

 

True, and its something that will never change because the rich depend on the poor vote.