Par for the course for SS. Remember the ammo price hikes in 08 from the first election? SS used to charge $10-12 per box of 9mm ammo before the election, then once the panic hit, they were charging upwards of $30+ for the same box! After the panic subsided, they never really dropped back to the normal levels that you had EVERYWHERE else. Instead they chose to keep charging like $28+ for the same ammo.

I propose we chip in for an njgf cnc machine. Anyone happen to have a production class ffl by chance?

 

Well the good part is we are NOT gouging.......BUT when it comes time and we cannot get other product....I wonder who will try to still support us.....*THAT* is the flip side to the coin.....let's hope it is not a one way street...otherwise we have made a very bad decision....

 

And that's the crux of the situation. When are we going to get resupplied? How long does what we have on hand have to stretch to keep the lights on and people paid? It's why making whatever is in stock stretch as far as possible makes the most sense. I've had to find new avenues of cash flow since I can't get my hands on mags to build for you guys. If my overhead wasn't so minimal, I'd be in a world of hurt in a few months if this keeps up (and I didn't find a new way to make good money).

Anyone who charges that for a lower will never get any of my business for anything!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And that's the crux of the situation. When are we going to get resupplied? How long does what we have on hand have to stretch to keep the lights on and people paid? It's why making whatever is in stock stretch as far as possible makes the most sense. I've had to find new avenues of cash flow since I can't get my hands on mags to build for you guys. If my overhead wasn't so minimal, I'd be in a world of hurt in a few months if this keeps up (and I didn't find a new way to make good money).

 

^^^THIS^^^

 

My point is made, and I thank you!

 

What some on the forum don't get is the "how" to keep the lights on. If you have practically nothing to sell, then you pretty darn well better sell what you got for plenty enough to keep the lights on!

 

Most on this forum will buy from the cheapest source, be it mail-order or what ever. There is NO loyalty, or practically none on most of the threads. It always reads like " I got it for ONLY this much...."

 

Hope everybody here that supports the forum is still standing when this BS runs it's course!

 

Dave

The OP's statement is true, since I just read shore shot response from a person wanting to know how much. Well shore shot never mentioned the exact price but they didn't deny the price of $385 for the spikes lower and $50 for pmags.

 

Shore shot claims that they are paying double to triple the price to get "HARD TO GET ITEMS" in their store.

 

 

^^^THIS^^^

 

My point is made, and I thank you!

 

What some on the forum don't get is the "how" to keep the lights on. If you have practically nothing to sell, then you pretty darn well better sell what you got for plenty enough to keep the lights on!

 

Most on this forum will buy from the cheapest source, be it mail-order or what ever. There is NO loyalty, or practically none on most of the threads. It always reads like " I got it for ONLY this much...."

 

Hope everybody here that supports the forum is still standing when this BS runs it's course!

 

Dave

 

That is how you'd like to build loyalty? By charging 250% over what stores in the same state without a built in range are charging? Not to mention their ammo prices.....

Dave et al,

 

We are in a crisis mode right now..........supply *IS* the killer now...........*IF* it continues the way it appears and I see it going.......a fair to large majority of those in NJ with BRICK AND MORTAR locations will not survive this....

 

Is this the point of it all? Maybe they know that the laws they are throwing like well cooked spaghetti WON'T stick and this is the secondary damage they are looking for?

 

C

Ironic as it may seem, the very existence of this "mad rush" to arms may yet ring the death knell for Mom and Pop Sporting Goods stores across the nation, not just in NJ. Only those with really deep pockets will be able to afford to keep the lights on with empty shelves and unfulfilled promises from their suppliers......

 

I truly hope that it slows down so that the suppliers can catch-up. With a proposed ban looming, no manufacturer is going to risk millions to tool-up another line or put-on the manpower to run it. So please tell your friends to stop buying parts like there's no tomorrow! Mastodon (Nick) and Midwest know the real deal and relayed same to us. Let's all calm down and show some restraint.

 

Dave

You know, all the crap that gets fed to us about supporting your local shops and how its OK to spend a little more to keep them open, and that's the thanks you get. Don't forget that which ones give a fugg about this community as much as we do.

 

I am big on pushing people to forum vendors and was big on SS when they were a vendor. With the way they left the forum and turned their backs on the members here, what they are doing doesn't surprise me at all.

 

They are for the buck only and don't give a crap about their customers and between what they did to us here and what they are doing now, well let's just say it can't last forever and their day will come.

 

 

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Is that an 07 FFL, by chance?

 

Joe, Mastodon does........

 

 

My Lord what are *we* doing wrong...........

 

Someone who was just at the shop said we are crazy for keeping the existing lowers we have at $ 122.00.....(ZED that is)........and the other 40 at 150....

 

Well the good part is we are NOT gouging.......BUT when it comes time and we cannot get other product....I wonder who will try to still support us.....*THAT* is the flip side to the coin.....let's hope it is not a one way street...otherwise we have made a very bad decision....

 

You will be remembered in the long run and the quick buck places will be remembered and the ones who treat their customers well will be also. Wanna bet what ones make out in the long run??

 

You and the other fair FFL's who support this forum and the ones who we ride this out together

 

 

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Here is the thing....if you sold through 3x your monthly supply, what you do is build up a cash reserve to go through the months when it may be slow... you don't blow it on yourself.

 

So if someone is only selling guns, sure I get it.... but SS's business is significantly all RANGE BUSINESS, you know, charging someone over $100 to rent a gun and put a box or two of 9mm through it.

 

I would rather an FFL on the forum charge that much, but the reality is.... SS is not starving for business and raping people money because they can. Their business is not goign to drop significantly because they cannot get a few lowers.

 

I will talk to the vendors at Shot Show, however any smart business would be investing in machinery right now to produce as much as they can.

 

 

You will be remembered in the long run and the quick buck places will be remembered and the ones who treat their customers well will be also. Wanna bet what ones make out in the long run??

 

You and the other fair FFL's who support this forum and the ones who we ride this out together

 

 

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+1 I needed some compliance work done for my ar and after reading some of nicks posts and seeing how he runs his business I decided to use them even though they're way out of the way. It was refreshing to talk to a shop that didn't treat me like a douche for asking questions.

Here is the thing....if you sold through 3x your monthly supply, what you do is build up a cash reserve to go through the months when it may be slow... you don't blow it on yourself.

 

So if someone is only selling guns, sure I get it.... but SS's business is significantly all RANGE BUSINESS, you know, charging someone over $100 to rent a gun and put a box or two of 9mm through it.

 

I would rather an FFL on the forum charge that much, but the reality is.... SS is not starving for business and raping people money because they can. Their business is not goign to drop significantly because they cannot get a few lowers.

 

 

Exactly. Selling their ENTIRE INVENTORY in a month buys you time to pay the bills. They are free to charge what they wish, but it doesn't mean its not screwing over your consumers

 

Is that an 07 FFL, by chance?

 

Joe, Mastodon does........

 

 

My Lord what are *we* doing wrong...........

 

Someone who was just at the shop said we are crazy for keeping the existing lowers we have at $ 122.00.....(ZED that is)........and the other 40 at 150....

 

Well the good part is we are NOT gouging.......BUT when it comes time and we cannot get other product....I wonder who will try to still support us.....*THAT* is the flip side to the coin.....let's hope it is not a one way street...otherwise we have made a very bad decision....

 

Thanks NICK, see ya Saturday!

The price should be whatever someone is willing to pay! Period! IF you pay over $300 for an item that can be had for less blame YOURSELF!

Nickjc, is there a limit?

I think a phone call to Shore Shot is in order from me tomorrow. Anyone have their number?

Exactly. Selling their ENTIRE INVENTORY in a month buys you time to pay the bills. They are free to charge what they wish, but it doesn't mean its not screwing over your consumers

 

Lol, selling their ENTIRE inventory likely paid the bills for the next year. They were not a shop that had 5 guns in stock. The cases were packed. If someone is broke in 3 months and can't pay the bills, that has nothing to do with shortage of guns and everything to do with poor business management and lack of foresight.

 

But it does seem that the shortage is on anything AR related.... I think Pistols, shotguns etc are easy to come by?

+1 I needed some compliance work done for my ar and after reading some of nicks posts and seeing how he runs his business I decided to use them even though they're way out of the way. It was refreshing to talk to a shop that didn't treat me like a douche for asking questions.

 

^^This

 

Nick's got my future business too.

^^^^^ Once you burn someone they will never come back..And they will make sure everyone of their friends knows about..

+1 You'll never see me there again. Not even their range. Eff em

That is just heinous. I can imagine trying to squeeze a little money out of the situation, or manufacturers upping the price, but that is just absolute douchebaggery. I'd expect that from the scalpers online, but not a local store. Reminds me of an S&W M&P15 I just saw on armslist going for $2000.

That is just heinous. I can imagine trying to squeeze a little money out of the situation, or manufacturers upping the price, but that is just absolute douchebaggery. I'd expect that from the scalpers online, but not a local store. Reminds me of an S&W M&P15 I just saw on armslist going for $2000.

 

You made my spill my brink.... $2k for an M&P15... tell me it was not a sport?

 

 

Lol, selling their ENTIRE inventory likely paid the bills for the next year. They were not a shop that had 5 guns in stock. The cases were packed. If someone is broke in 3 months and can't pay the bills, that has nothing to do with shortage of guns and everything to do with poor business management and lack of foresight.

 

But it does seem that the shortage is on anything AR related.... I think Pistols, shotguns etc are easy to come by?

 

I was exaggerating a bit. I'm sure they have some handguns in stock but I'm also Willing to bet that they had record sales on those also. Ar's ak's m1a's and the like seem to be gone everywhere.

@Nickjc:

 

I'll be happy to give you my business - I'm 2 months into waiting for my pistol permits and need either a Ruger GP100 or a Beretta 92FS. Hopefully these ar not part of the "gun rush" yet.

Lol, selling their ENTIRE inventory likely paid the bills for the next year. They were not a shop that had 5 guns in stock. The cases were packed. If someone is broke in 3 months and can't pay the bills, that has nothing to do with shortage of guns and everything to do with poor business management and lack of foresight.

 

But it does seem that the shortage is on anything AR related.... I think Pistols, shotguns etc are easy to come by?

 

Semi-auto pistols are in short supply

Ty, btw, i do feel for you, knowing that mags ARE your business... I just have no sympathies for these gougers. Ar Lowers are less than 5% of their business, if that.... and instead of wanting to do something good for the community, hell, raffle them off to THEIR MEMBERS of the range, for say Cost + $25..... the chose to charge more than triple their cost.

I was at Shore Shot tonight. There was a Arsenal SGL21 (I think) and a Century WASR-10 on the back wall. Either the Arsenal or both of them were $1500

 

Seems like a lot more people shooting long guns indoors these days

 

Handgun ammo hasn't gone up much there yet (maybe 2 bucks for .40 S&W) although it was PMC bronze. Normally they've got Federal American Eagle or Fiocchi

Ill tell you what, a lot of you guys are just off base. Its a much bigger picture that I am suprised more dont see. No manufacturer is going to lay out BIG capitol to add machines and people to ramp up production. That lesson has been taught already. Go look up how many manufactururs of AR lowres popped up last go around. Look at how many are left!!! Now consider how precarious it is for a manufacturer right now! Most are not paying attention to the fact it is a double punch! Consider the impact to manufacturers that have the US Govt as a big part of their customer base. Well in consideration of the ginormouse tax cuts in govt spending proposed, what do you think that means to them? Their future is clearly uncertain. Consider the materials to make the lowers. Due to the run on the black rifle, material is becoming harder to get in the quantities needed. So the whole chain is affected. Price will increase. But now look at the local dealer. What should he do? Sell all his stuff at reguler prices so some ftard can buy all his inventory and go make bank on gunbroker? I know it sucks but prices are going to be off the charts until stable ground, whantever that may be, is recovered. Consider the risk gun stores now face! What if they place a big ass order today for $250,000 in rifles and an executive order comes out tomorrow? Who exactly is stuck with that bill and truck full of unsellable merch? At this point I really dont consider it gouging. The market still has a limit if what in can tolerate. It is a complex problem with no obvious solution. But the bottom line is its a sh!t sandwhich we all are stuck taking a bite of. With no one being able to say with ANY certainty what the law, manufacturing backlog, or any of the other variables may bring, there is really no way to know even what a fair price is anymore....

 

Im sure many here have more than 1 AR, what are you willing to sell it for considering it could possibly be the last one you ever own?

Ty, btw, i do feel for you, knowing that mags ARE your business... I just have no sympathies for these gougers. Ar Lowers are less than 5% of their business, if that.... and instead of wanting to do something good for the community, hell, raffle them off to THEIR MEMBERS of the range, for say Cost + $25..... the chose to charge more than triple their cost.

 

Adapt or die is my motto. I'm nailing down a secondary mainstay of revenue right now so it's all good.

 

As far as gouging, it's a free market. Lowers aren't essential to day to day survival. It's not clean water, gasoline, medical supplies, or canned food in a disaster area. If someone wants to spend that much money on a discretionary item, so be it. If they didn't do their research before purchasing, that's not the seller's fault.

 

I'm playing the long game which is why you don't see me raising prices unless I absolutely have to. It's why I'm not selling anything except a couple items a week ago on gunbroker. And even then, I started everything at MSRP and let it go for a couple days. If it sold, great. If not, no biggie.