Folks, I am wondering if I should buy an M4/AR 16" carbine (once they become available)? The fact that Feinstein dosn't want me to have one makes me want one...But I want to be practical on the number of guns I own, shoot well, clean, stock amo for.

 

I currently have (or will have in a few weeks): An M1a-Scout (love it!), a pump shotgun, an automatic shotgun, and four 45 cal. pistols...Under the two scenarious below, would I ever be at a disadvantage not having an M4/AR?

 

Scenario 1: Home defense - some with an AR kicks in my door...He may be wearing Body Armor.

 

Scenario 2: "SHTF"/Societal Breakdown - we are all fending for ourselves...

 

I appreciate your thoughts.

 

Thanks,

-Joe

Folks, I am wondering if I should buy an M4/AR 16" carbine (once they become available)? The fact that Feinstein dosn't want me to have one makes me want one...But I want to be practical on the number of guns I own, shoot well, clean, stock amo for.

 

I currently have (or will have in a few weeks): An M1a-Scout (love it!), a pump shotgun, an automatic shotgun, and four 45 cal. pistols...Under the two scenarious below, would I ever be at a disadvantage not having an M4/AR?

 

Scenario 1: Home defense - some with an AR kicks in my door...He may be wearing Body Armor. Regardless of what gun you own you will probably be in a bad situation. If I could make it to a gun I would grab PX4 first b/c it's easier to get to and try to get to my AR

 

Scenario 2: "SHTF"/Societal Breakdown - we are all fending for ourselves... Again, Mine AR would be the first thing I grab.

 

I appreciate your thoughts.

 

Thanks,

-Joe

You hear a noise in the night. As you rise into conciousness something heavy hits your head. Lights out.

 

You regain conciousness. You can't see anything, something is covering your head. Your feet and hands are bound together. You think you can hear an engine running, the drone of an exhaust. You feel the vibrations of a road moving under you. You must be in the trunk of a car.

 

You can hear voices coming from the passenger compartment. Is it Russian? Serbian?

 

You don't have much time. You sacrifice a wrist to free yourself from the restraint of the zip tie.

 

You reach into your groin and smile. They must have checked you for weapons but they didn't find it. It's still there.

 

Your new Springfield XD-S

 

 

The car stops. God help the men that open that trunk. SPRINGFIELD JUSTICE.

 

 

In case that wasn't clear I vote for a Springfield XD-S. I might be projecting a little. I want one.

You sleep with one of these by your pee pee??

Not yet, I don't have one. Nonetheless I was just expanding on the mall ninja theme

Scenario 1. I d prolly shit my pants and grab what I have hand gun

 

Scenario 2 I d prolly shit my pants and grab whatever I have.

 

I jus farted...... No, wait..... Uh oh..... No, I'm ok..... I think. .....

Um brb.

 

 

To Nickjc and others...It is interesting, the "Jersey" attitude that many on this forum exhube....Yes, I am attributing it to a regional issue Bro! :-)

 

Aggorance - that is fine - God Bless You! If this is beneth you why bother responding??? Or maybe I should get your approval before I post?

 

I also posted it on the "national" M1a forum and got a whole different kind of response...Thoughtful, no attitude etc....I often post on both forums for this exact reason...What a contrast - time and time again...Well you know what you can do with your attitude ;-).

 

For those of you who responded with sincerity I appreciate it!...

Here you go Nickc - thoughtfull response from a shooter in Co...Maybe you can learn something :-) --- I have others - A shooter in TN, TX, Ohios to name a few - all thoughtful responses...Would you like me to post them for you Bro?

 

I would say that ARs are really a do-most-of-it weapon. Fast and manueverable , light weight, good mag capacity, light recoil, ammo is cheap (maybe not now but usually) and the ammo is also light weight which means you can carry more of it.

 

1) If a guy kicks in your door wearing body armory, your M1a or shotgun with slugs would be a better weapon IMO. OR 00 buck and focus at the head or legs. I don't know that an AR would neccessarily be of benefit here, though it would do the job just fine.

 

2) Parts and ammo are easier to find for an AR than probably any other rifle. So that's a plus. It's a good hand-off weapon for a friend because once you show someone how to use it, they should be able to use it fairly effectively atleast out to 100 yards.

 

But would you be at a disadvantage without one? No, I don't think so. Actually I'm getting rid of my AR because I believe I will be better served with my M14 and an M1 (plus the shotty, and pistols I have). I can think of very few situation you could encounter where you would need an AR carbine platform over a battle rifle, shotgun, or pistol. I think it would be outside of 25 yards and inside of 75 yards with no cover and multiple attackers.

 

Obviously this is just my opinion. Others may well see it differently. I personally, no matter what anyone says would NOT want an AR as my primary SHTF weapon. I just don't trust the charging handle not to bend or break. Don't like the gas tube either.

Well it looks like my Winchester 1300 with rifled barrel will serve me well

you need more than one defensive semi auto rifle

Scenario 1. I d prolly shit my pants and grab what I have hand gun

 

Scenario 2 I d prolly shit my pants and grab whatever I have.

 

I jus farted...... No, wait..... Uh oh..... No, I'm ok..... I think. .....

Um brb.

Looks like somebody forget to do a backgound check?

You sleep with one of these by your pee pee??

It is great that the NJGF has so many "deep thinkers"! :-)

Looks like somebody forget to do a backgound check?

C'mon, you've never gambled and lost?

Jus sayen

It is great that the NJGF has so many "deep thinkers"! :-)

Someone has to ask the tough questions.

Hey I was just having a little fun.

 

For (1) the gun I would grab would be one that you already have -- the pump shotgun. But I don't know how you're going to get a drop on someone that busts in your door holding an AR and wearing body armour. You move, you're swiss cheese. You don't move, you're swiss cheese. If I was alert enough I'd probably beg them not to shoot the dog too

 

For (2) the long gun I would grab would be my scout rifle in .308. Easy to waste an AR magazine when the mind is stressed

Yep....very thoughtful.....

 

Because we all.worry daily about our doors being kicked in by people wearing body armor.....

 

If.you asked in a typical...if it can be called typical home invasions what ypi would be best suited with I would say my

12 g pump.....BUT you carefully veil.your question in mall ninja style.... call it bro....you wanna know what to use if swat comes to.your door...guess what you and I don't have the training.to stand off a properly trained stack...

 

I don't care WHAT Gun you think your gunman shoot....draw on em and the team is putting you down...

 

 

Leta get some realistic questions about home defense and you will get realistic responsea aand opinions....if you care to

Play tacticool and mall ninja you get stupid responses.like.I am.giving.you.....sheesh.man....

Your out of line Bro; you don't like my question back-off and go somewhere else. Who the heck do you think you are. Proof that you are out of line is that others have responded with sincerity, here and all over the country. -I guess that is too much for you to handle. Beat it!

OP is that you?

 

Yep....very thoughtful.....

 

Because we all.worry daily about our doors being kicked in by people wearing body armor.....

 

If.you asked in a typical...if it can be called typical home invasions what ypi would be best suited with I would say my

12 g pump.....BUT you carefully veil.your question in mall ninja style.... call it bro....you wanna know what to use if swat comes to.your door...guess what you and I don't have the training.to stand off a properly trained stack...

 

I don't care WHAT Gun you think your gunman shoot....draw on em and the team is putting you down...

 

 

Leta get some realistic questions about home defense and you will get realistic responsea aand opinions....if you care to

Play tacticool and mall ninja you get stupid responses.like.I am.giving.you.....sheesh.man....

And just to be clear; In the future, do not ever read or respond to any of my quetions so we do not have to go through this BS again. Your not someone I would care to get feedback from anyway at this point...If you are all about sitting in the grandstand throwing fruit (or whatever) then I can't stop you.

And just to be clear; In the future, do not ever read or respond to any of my quetions so we do not have to go through this BS again. Your not someone I would care to get feedback from anyway at this point...If you are all about sitting in the grandstand throwing fruit (or whatever) then I can't stop you.

 

Ok, I'm gonna try and level with you.

 

Let's be honest here. No one gets their house robbed by armed groups of individuals with automatic rifles, body armor, and squad tactics. Your Xbox and $32 cash on the kitchen counter are simply not worth that sort of effort. At best, maybe you can pull an article off the internet of it happening like 2 times in the history of mankind.

 

Your question, as originally posed, either reeks of complete detachment from reality, or is plain and simple, a sick demented fantasy scenario where you have your David Koresh moment against the county SWAT team.

 

The real answer to your question, is you are not going to stand a snowball's chance in hell with your NJ legal AR-15 against a SWAT team.

 

They will watch you and strike when you are entirely unprepared. They will have your cornered in seconds. There will be many of them, coming from different angles, they will have tear gas and flash bangs and an armored vehicle outside. They will have what may as well be infinite backup, and no matter what, your special aftermarket gas tube is not going to help you when they put a bullet between your eyes literally before you can even realize what's going on. You likely do not have anywhere near the sort of training to withstand any sort of situation like this.

 

This is why your question is laughable and foolish when posed to anyone who has contact with reality.

Ok, I'm gonna try and level with you.

 

Let's be honest here. No one gets their house robbed by armed groups of individuals with automatic rifles, body armor, and squad tactics. Your Xbox and $32 cash on the kitchen counter are simply not worth that sort of effort. At best, maybe you can pull an article off the internet of it happening like 2 times in the history of mankind.

 

Your question, as originally posed, either reeks of complete detachment from reality, or is plain and simple, a fantasy scenario where you have your David Koresh moment against the county SWAT team.

 

The real answer to your question, is you are not going to stand a snowball's chance in hell with your NJ legal AR-15 against a SWAT team.

 

They will watch you and strike when you are entirely unprepared. They will have your cornered in seconds. There will be many of them, coming from different angles, they will have tear gas and flash bangs and an armored vehicle outside. They will have what may as well be infinite backup, and no matter what, your special aftermarket gas tube is not going to help you when they put a bullet between your eyes literally before you can even realize what's going on. You likely do not have anywhere near the sort of training to withstand any sort of situation like this.

 

This is why your question is laughable and foolish when posed to anyone who has contact with reality.

OK you must have got my original post mixed up with Nickjc, I said "HE" that is singular (ie ONE person)...Nickjc sent a whole swat team to my house! Why on earth a swat team would want to come to my house is beyond me...So, given this, it is possible a (SINGULAR) nut job with an AK can kick in your door. Or maybe it is a rober with am AK.

http://www.slate.com...oof_vests_.html

While I think it is very unlikely but for the cost of obtaining a vest/body armor I could see career burglars/invaders getting atleast a vest. The OP didn't say a swat team or tactical team Scenario 1: Home defense - some with an AR kicks in my door...He may be wearing Body Armor.

 

The FBI hasn't kept statistics on this so who knows?? You see all those rapper guys wearing them. Why can't your local friendly robber/burglar/invader wear one.

Ok, I'm gonna try and level with you.

 

Let's be honest here. No one gets their house robbed by armed groups of individuals with automatic rifles, body armor, and squad tactics. Your Xbox and $32 cash on the kitchen counter are simply not worth that sort of effort. At best, maybe you can pull an article off the internet of it happening like 2 times in the history of mankind.

 

Your question, as originally posed, either reeks of complete detachment from reality, or is plain and simple, a sick demented fantasy scenario where you have your David Koresh moment against the county SWAT team.

 

The real answer to your question, is you are not going to stand a snowball's chance in hell with your NJ legal AR-15 against a SWAT team.

 

They will watch you and strike when you are entirely unprepared. They will have your cornered in seconds. There will be many of them, coming from different angles, they will have tear gas and flash bangs and an armored vehicle outside. They will have what may as well be infinite backup, and no matter what, your special aftermarket gas tube is not going to help you when they put a bullet between your eyes literally before you can even realize what's going on. You likely do not have anywhere near the sort of training to withstand any sort of situation like this.

 

This is why your question is laughable and foolish when posed to anyone who has contact with reality.

P.S., And it also shows you don't read too well, and have an attitude.

While I think it is very unlikely but for the cost of obtaining a vest/body armor I could see career burglars/invaders getting atleast a vest. The OP didn't say a swat team or tactical team Scenario 1: Home defense - some with an AR kicks in my door...He may be wearing Body Armor.

 

The FBI hasn't kept statistics on this so who knows?? You see all those rapper guys wearing them. Why can't your local friend robber/burglar/invader wear one.

 

The article discusses the Aurora and Wisconsin shooters, among others. These are deranged individuals carrying out an end-of-life rampage, they are not in the same league as petty burglars.

 

And rappers are not burglars either, they are entertainers, many of them are simply playing characters and not even people with a criminal record. Lil' Wayne and Birdman, among many others, actually had lawful CCW permits from their home states and got themselves criminal records long after they were famous, usually over stupid non-crimes like having weed in their tour bus. The reality is they rap about guns and weed but they have a CCW and a Med Card in real life. Their trouble comes when they decide to exercise those freedoms in the wrong place.

Simple. Yes you need an AR15. Read my signature line

OP is that you?

 

Another NJGF Guiness - I love it - your a sad MOFO.

The article discusses the Aurora and Wisconsin shooters, among others. These are deranged individuals carrying out an end-of-life rampage, they are not in the same league as petty burglars.

 

And rappers are not burglars either, they are entertainers, many of them are simply playing characters and not even people with a criminal record. Lil' Wayne and Birdman, among many others, actually had lawful CCW permits from their home states and got themselves criminal records long after they were famous, usually over stupid non-crimes like having weed in their tour bus. The reality is they rap about guns and weed but they have a CCW and a Med Card in real life. Their trouble comes when they decide to exercise those freedoms in the wrong place.

dude, two points. 1) The rapper thing was a joke (simply for entertainment, like a rapper). Fully aware of everything you stated. 2) In the article that it was stated the the FBI doesn't track statistics but vest were being stolen from department and agencies. Where are these vest going??? Most home invasions the "invader" doesn't get caught in the act so it's hard to determine. Can you say for a fact that no robber, burglar or invader will not be wearing a bulletproof vest when they enter your house?

C'mon, you've never gambled and lost?

Jus sayen

Fair enough Zeke...But can you explain why all the degenrate response here on the NJGF vs the National M1a fourum? Not one insult, and all thoughtful responses on the M1a forum from people all over the USA.

It ain't cause the Jersy crowd is more technically knowledgable...It is just the oposite - those guys on the M1a sight are tops...Many of the above folks have shown their norrow thinking, nastiness, ignorance, etc. I mean what a bunch of Clowns...If someone dosn't like my question - move on to the next post...I don't respond to ever post I read...I have other words for them, but this is about as far as I need to go at this point...Maybe that is how they get their kicks on a saturday night - shooting up rum and cokes and trying to be "Forum Bullies"...What a bunch of Huns :-).

 

(And again - thanks to those who responded sincerly!).

Pretty sure i would want body armor if i planned a home invasion, just say'n.

Pretty sure i would want body armor if i planned a home invasion, just say'n.

 

especially if you did your homework and checked the map of gun owners in New York state, just say'n